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[Ceridraen]

I'm pretty sure the Orlesian warden is a generic start, for new players and people wanting to try another character. I could be wrong. I hope so, but from what I read, it didn't have anything to do with the US ending.

[T1l]

Feraele wrote...

Thanks T

No need to thank me, it appears I simply owe you guys an apology. I was apparently under a misconception about the Orlesian Grey Warden. I honestly thought that the sole purpose of that Origin (if you can call it that) was for those of us who did kill themselves at the end of Dragon Age: Origins, so we could continue in the world with the choices we'd made; albeit with a different character.

Considering I did kill myself rather than bed Morrigan this news is really, really disappointing. Sorry guys.

Modifié par T1l, 15 février 2010 - 10:05 .

[spottyblanket]

Why are people moaning about this? You don't HAVE to import your character, or at least--the one that choose to die. 0_o;;

[T1l]

spottyblanket wrote...

Why are people moaning about this? You don't HAVE to import your character, or at least--the one that choose to die. 0_o;;

Read the last page.

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Ceridraen wrote...

I'm under the impression that the Orlesian Grey Warden has a default type start - they'll set, say, Alastair as King, some canon type backstory, and you'd go from there, with no impact from any previous saves.

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Oh. Well now, this changes my perspective somewhat if that is the case. I had the impression the Orlesian Grey Warden was there for those of us who did kill themselves; not just a generic starting character for those new to DA:O.

Well, if that is the case, you guys can add me to the pitch-fork-wielding mob. That would be a huge let down.

Well hopefully we don't come off as an angry mob...I am still trying to use reason and logic here as best I can.   Although I have to say that the Ultimate Sacrifice ending does make me very emotionally involved when it happens..I can't help it..all that effort and you know your character is going to die....true heroism, it can't be just sloughed off and voila you rise up and say Surprise!!   I didn't die after all.

What would the Orlesian Wardens say to that?      Alistair is already going to have a problem explaining the Dark Ritual..isn't he.    Wardens are "supposed" to die killing the archdemon.

Thanks for understanding you guys..appreciate it.

[Ceridraen]

You changed my mind, anyway. The pursuit of heroism is the best thing about games. Sad if it's not honored.

[blademaster7]

spottyblanket wrote...

Why are people moaning about this? You don't HAVE to import your character, or at least--the one that choose to die. 0_o;;

How can you tell players that spend hundreds of hours on their game not to moan when they're being told that their choices won't matter? Hm?

I don't mind because I have multiple saves, but I sympathize with anyone who is dissapointed about this.

[spottyblanket]

I get it from an emotional standpoint. Though my first thought was, if you met the old party members again the game (as NPCs), imagine how emotional and glad they would be to see you. Besides, whose to say it will be as simple as coming back from the dead. There will be consequences, I've no doubt

[T1l]

Yeah... what exactly is the point of a pre-fab Orlesian Grey Warden then? For the new people who just want to jump in to Awakening without going through Origins, I guess. Chirst, that's disappointing. I could have sworn that was the whole point of the new Origin story – so for those of us who did kill themselves off could continue in the world we’d changed.

I really hope this is a misunderstanding. Why add an Orlesian Grey Warden at all? Bioware could just save time and add pre-fab characters from the existing Origins… I don’t know, this doesn’t add up. Do we have clarification on this?

EDIT: The official blurb on IGN is "players can continue their adventures from Dragon Age, or begin with a brand new party." Now, I know IGN can't be considered an official source, but it certainly uses the exclusive disjunction "or". Either you continue on with a living Warden, OR you create an all new party (which would imply not importing a save, rather a pre-fab character and a world which has a canon backstory).



Well... where did I put my pitchfork and torch?...

Modifié par T1l, 15 février 2010 - 10:37 .

[Aldridgeguy]

Holy freakin crap, if ya wanna import a dead character then do it, if you don't want to then don't IT'S NOT A HARD CONCEPT TO GRASP !! its not the end of civilisation as we know it just because bioware gave us the option to do so IF WE WANT TO. It's hardly a momentous, life changing, earth-shattering development is it? I have read a lot ( not all ) of the previous points and to be honest, if your lives are so devoid of anything to get upset or angry about that you have to get so freakin wound up about whether or not you can ressurect a dead character on a COMPUTER GAME then I am, to be quite honest, very jealous of you. Theres a lot more going on in this world that warrants getting genuinely angry and concerned about, as I once said to Alistair " get over yourself "

Modifié par Aldridgeguy, 15 février 2010 - 10:28 .

[Ceridraen]

I wondered that, too. I don't think you can start an Orlesian from the beginning of Origins after this - so I guess I cynically believed it was a pre-fab character for those who didn't have one to import, or for someone who wanted to start something fresh. I hope I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I read that the Orlesian won't have its own origin story, and if not, I don't see the point.

[spottyblanket]

official blurb on IGN is "players can continue their adventures from Dragon Age, or begin with a brand new party.
" Now, I know IGN can't be considered an official source, but it certainly uses the logical disjunction "or". Either you continue on with a living Warden, OR you create an all new party (which would imply not importing a save, rather a pre-fab character and a world which has a canon backstory).

See, what I got from that was that if you imported your character, you get the old party too--guess I'll just have to wait and see.

[Feraele]

Aldridgeguy wrote...

Holy freakin crap, if ya wanna import a dead character then do it, if you don't want to then don't IT'S NOT A HARD CONCEPT TO GRASP !! its not the end of civilisation as we know it just because bioware gave us the option to do so IF WE WANT TO. It's hardly a momentous, life changing, earth-shattering development is it? I have read a lot ( not all ) of the previous points and to be honest, if your lives are so devoid of anything to get upset or angry about that you have to get so freakin wound up about whether or not you can ressurect a dead character on a COMPUTER GAME then I am, to be quite honest, very jealous of you. Theres a lot more going on in this world that warrants getting genuinely angry and concerned about, as I once said to Alistair " get over yourself "

Then you have nothing to contribute to this discussion do you?   I think the whole point of you attempting to add your opinion here..was not attempting to understand the issues, but instead to insert your "supposed superiority".

Some of us play the game because of the story,  some of us don't believe that a grey warden entombed at Weishopt should just blithely rise from the grave..and say...Sorry I was only fooling.

I think our choices are supposed to matter and carry through to the expansion..at least this is what we are told.

This is not happening.   Matter of fact, this easy way out method of the warden rising from the grave, negates two story endings...Dark Ritual,  if you rise from the grave, why accomodate Morrigan?   Ultimate Sacrifice, if you rise from the grave...why do it?

There is no option..no choice to have the US choice portrayed even briefly..after it happens.  Matter of fact, the so-called "promises" made in the ending of the Ultimate Sacrifice..state entombment at Weishopt, statue at the new Keep in Amaranthine.

How much you want to bet neither of those things happen at all?   Swept under the rug and hopefully forgotten by those that have short attention spans?

[Feraele]

Ceridraen wrote...

I wondered that, too. I don't think you can start an Orlesian from the beginning of Origins after this - so I guess I cynically believed it was a pre-fab character for those who didn't have one to import, or for someone who wanted to start something fresh. I hope I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I read that the Orlesian won't have its own origin story, and if not, I don't see the point.

Can't play an Orlesian in Origins...they are confined to the expansion.

[T1l]

Feraele wrote...

There is no option..no choice to have the US choice portrayed even briefly..after it happens.  Matter of fact, the so-called "promises" made in the ending of the Ultimate Sacrifice..state entombment at Weishopt, statue at the new Keep in Amaranthine.

Funny you mention that, actually. When Chris posted the new screenshots of the expansion and Vigil's Keep that was exactly what I asked in the thread. "There is no statue. I was told there would be a statue. The statue is a lie." - unfortunately in jest.

[Ceridraen]

spottyblanket wrote...

official blurb on IGN is "players can continue their adventures from Dragon Age, or begin with a brand new party.
" Now, I know IGN can't be considered an official source, but it certainly uses the logical disjunction "or". Either you continue on with a living Warden, OR you create an all new party (which would imply not importing a save, rather a pre-fab character and a world which has a canon backstory).

See, what I got from that was that if you imported your character, you get the old party too--guess I'll just have to wait and see.

That would be nice - but I think the official FAQ pretty much sets it to rest. It's you, & an all new party, with a few cameos from your old party. Sad to say. 

[spottyblanket]

I don't mind that too much because I feel the old party has told their story and had their light. I'm kind of keen to see a new party to be honest...



(I'll be irked if their are no camoes though.)



I'll probably import my old character later on. Or play as my old character and a new one indetirmadely to see how much of a differance it makes. I'll bet most people are doing that

[Feraele]

Ceridraen wrote...

spottyblanket wrote...

official blurb on IGN is "players can continue their adventures from Dragon Age, or begin with a brand new party.
" Now, I know IGN can't be considered an official source, but it certainly uses the logical disjunction "or". Either you continue on with a living Warden, OR you create an all new party (which would imply not importing a save, rather a pre-fab character and a world which has a canon backstory).

See, what I got from that was that if you imported your character, you get the old party too--guess I'll just have to wait and see.

That would be nice - but I think the official FAQ pretty much sets it to rest. It's you, & an all new party, with a few cameos from your old party. Sad to say. 

Well we know who three of them are, one being the "old returning favorite"  Ohgren (I believe this was Bioware's favorite btw )  and then Anders, and Valena.  Still a mystery as to the other three, but eventually I guess they'll let us know.

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Feraele wrote...

There is no option..no choice to have the US choice portrayed even briefly..after it happens.  Matter of fact, the so-called "promises" made in the ending of the Ultimate Sacrifice..state entombment at Weishopt, statue at the new Keep in Amaranthine.

Funny you mention that, actually. When Chris posted the new screenshots of the expansion and Vigil's Keep that was exactly what I asked in the thread. "There is no statue. I was told there would be a statue. The statue is a lie." - unfortunately in jest.

Well jest or no...it seems to be the truth heh.  Little did you know.

[spottyblanket]

Ohgren probably was the obvious choice as he wasn't as well delevoped as the other characters. I would have much rather Sten returned. I felt his character still had a ways to grow--as it were. That and I'm totally biased, psssh.

[Feraele]

spottyblanket wrote...

Ohgren probably was the obvious choice as he wasn't as well delevoped as the other characters. I would have much rather Sten returned. I felt his character still had a ways to grow--as it were. That and I'm totally biased, psssh.

I loved Sten, he was hard to unravel..interesting character.  

[Ceridraen]

I never played with Sten or Oghren much. Oghren just kept falling over drunk. I hope he's pulled himself together in the ensuing months. But yes, I'm counting him in the new party.

[darrenr22]

T1l wrote...

Feraele wrote...

THAT is exactly the point...there are those of us WHO DO HAVE A PROBLEM HAND WAIVING THE STORY in this regard.

So don't import a dead warden save? You're complaining that they're bastardising the continuity by allowing you to resurrect your save; but it's an option. You don't have to do it, and it wouldn't be considered canonical - rather, from what I gather with the FAQ, the save would simply assume you didn't make the ultimate sacrifice.

As I said, this is one of the more asinine complaints I've seen - possibly along with people who had complaints about Zeveran being gay in Dragon Age. The option is there. You do not have to pursue it.

How can I put this? You quite simply do not understand the point at issue.

My post on page nine explains it clearly. Take a look.

[darrenr22]

Aldridgeguy wrote...

Holy freakin crap, if ya wanna import a dead character then do it, if you don't want to then don't IT'S NOT A HARD CONCEPT TO GRASP !! its not the end of civilisation as we know it just because bioware gave us the option to do so IF WE WANT TO. It's hardly a momentous, life changing, earth-shattering development is it? I have read a lot ( not all ) of the previous points and to be honest, if your lives are so devoid of anything to get upset or angry about that you have to get so freakin wound up about whether or not you can ressurect a dead character on a COMPUTER GAME then I am, to be quite honest, very jealous of you. Theres a lot more going on in this world that warrants getting genuinely angry and concerned about, as I once said to Alistair " get over yourself "

You quite simply do not understand the point at issue. You think you do, which is why you post in such a way. But you don't actually understand it, I am afraid.

[T1l]

darrenr22 wrote...

T1l wrote...

Feraele wrote...

THAT is exactly the point...there are those of us WHO DO HAVE A PROBLEM HAND WAIVING THE STORY in this regard.

So don't import a dead warden save? You're complaining that they're bastardising the continuity by allowing you to resurrect your save; but it's an option. You don't have to do it, and it wouldn't be considered canonical - rather, from what I gather with the FAQ, the save would simply assume you didn't make the ultimate sacrifice.

As I said, this is one of the more asinine complaints I've seen - possibly along with people who had complaints about Zeveran being gay in Dragon Age. The option is there. You do not have to pursue it.

How can I put this? You quite simply do not understand the point at issue.

My post on page nine explains it clearly. Take a look.

You ask me to take the time to read your posts, yet you do not take the time to read mine.

If you had read the last page you would see that I was under a misconception about the purpose of the Orlesian Grey Warden.