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[Vicious]

There's like 5 posters in this thread that do nothing but ignore the point of issue despite it being explained to them over and over and over and over.

[Feraele]

Darren, T1 has come to see what we are referring to.

[darrenr22]

T1l wrote...

darrenr22 wrote...

T1l wrote...

Feraele wrote...

THAT is exactly the point...there are those of us WHO DO HAVE A PROBLEM HAND WAIVING THE STORY in this regard.

So don't import a dead warden save? You're complaining that they're bastardising the continuity by allowing you to resurrect your save; but it's an option. You don't have to do it, and it wouldn't be considered canonical - rather, from what I gather with the FAQ, the save would simply assume you didn't make the ultimate sacrifice.

As I said, this is one of the more asinine complaints I've seen - possibly along with people who had complaints about Zeveran being gay in Dragon Age. The option is there. You do not have to pursue it.

How can I put this? You quite simply do not understand the point at issue.

My post on page nine explains it clearly. Take a look.

You ask me to take the time to read your posts, yet you do not take the time to read mine.

If you had read the last page you would see that I was under a misconception about the purpose of the Orlesian Grey Warden.

Well touché, my fine fellow. I am gratified to see that there are some people who are open to rational engagement.

[T1l]

Vicious wrote...

There's like 5 posters in this thread that do nothing but ignore the point of issue despite it being explained to them over and over and over and over.

I believe this would have been avoided if the original poster had made the facts abundantly clear, which I might add, they still are not. People have jumped to a conclusion that the Orlesian Grey Warden is not there to serve as a follow-on character for those people who have killed off their main, rather it is a generic pre-fabricated character for sh!ts and giggles.

There's little evidence to support this, but there are also no quotes or posts to suggest that it isn't the case, either. At this point, I'm not sure what to think. I'm hoping this is all a misunderstanding and people ARE able to import a dead character, but play a continuation with the Orlesian Grey Warden.

The reason this thread is going in circles is due to the OP posting inflammatory assumptions.

We need the facts first.

Modifié par T1l, 15 février 2010 - 11:14 .

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Vicious wrote...

There's like 5 posters in this thread that do nothing but ignore the point of issue despite it being explained to them over and over and over and over.

I believe this would have been avoided if the original poster had made the facts abundantly clear, which I might add, they still are not. People have jumped to a conclusion that the Orlesian Grey Warden is not there to serve as a follow-on character for those people who have killed off their main, rather it is a generic pre-fabricated character for sh!ts and giggles.

There's little evidence to support this, but there are also no quotes or posts to suggest that it isn't the case, either. At this point, I'm not sure what to think. I'm hoping this is all a misunderstanding and people ARE able to import a dead character, but play a continuation with the Orlesian Grey Warden.

The reason this thread is going in circles is due to the OP posting inflammatory assumptions.

We need the facts first.

And the facts need to come from the "powers that be"....but they seem to be avoiding this issue.

[T1l]

Feraele wrote...

And the facts need to come from the "powers that be"....but they seem to be avoiding this issue.

To be fair, this thread is only a day old - and it was created on a Sunday. David should be able to clear things up; he's pretty vocal and candid when it comes to the community. Again, I really, really hope this is just a knee-jerk reaction to the FAQ which simply wasn't explicit enough.

I can hope.

[The Yellow Flash]

I got a problem i need to solve.



When i bought the game i got "the stone prisoner" and "the blood dragon armor". I've looked at the downloadable content menu but they never show up. Later on i unlocked "the helm of the deep" and the other free dlc items. But they didn't show up either. For just about a minute ago i took a look at "your game promotions" there i found every single one of my dlc's, but i could just download one. And that was the blood dragon armor for mass effect 2. And i don't even got mass effect.

If anyone knows what the problem is, please reply!

[Sabriana]

Feraele wrote...

T1l wrote...

Vicious wrote...

There's like 5 posters in this thread that do nothing but ignore the point of issue despite it being explained to them over and over and over and over.

I believe this would have been avoided if the original poster had made the facts abundantly clear, which I might add, they still are not. People have jumped to a conclusion that the Orlesian Grey Warden is not there to serve as a follow-on character for those people who have killed off their main, rather it is a generic pre-fabricated character for sh!ts and giggles.

There's little evidence to support this, but there are also no quotes or posts to suggest that it isn't the case, either. At this point, I'm not sure what to think. I'm hoping this is all a misunderstanding and people ARE able to import a dead character, but play a continuation with the Orlesian Grey Warden.

The reason this thread is going in circles is due to the OP posting inflammatory assumptions.

We need the facts first.

And the facts need to come from the "powers that be"....but they seem to be avoiding this issue.

Which in itself, could be a bad sign. Knowing how wrong this sits with so many potential customers, one would think they'd be front and center, clearing this up if all assumptions about importing choices and the dead Warden were so terribly wrong.

I'm no software person, but I don't see how a save-file can be ported over, that shows the decisions but exclude the dead Warden. So a nice little cut-scene, showing the appreciation for the ultimate sacrifice could go a long way.

I have no personal stake in this, none of my girls sacrificed themselves. But I can see the ire in having 50 - 80 (ymmv) hours of game-play, character development, etc, just nullified.

Edited, because spelling in English is an art

Modifié par Sabriana, 15 février 2010 - 11:23 .

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Feraele wrote...

And the facts need to come from the "powers that be"....but they seem to be avoiding this issue.

To be fair, this thread is only a day old - and it was created on a Sunday. David should be able to clear things up; he's pretty vocal and candid when it comes to the community. Again, I really, really hope this is just a knee-jerk reaction to the FAQ which simply wasn't explicit enough.

I can hope.

As can we all...perhaps the FAQ needs to be clearer.   For now it just presents an either or scenario, and seems to lean towards those that "might" have complained that they couldn't play their dead warden.   Completely ignoring the rest of us.

[Vuokseniska]

you all have the idea that if you don't import the save from origins that your actions with the US is ignored... there is still the option that as your play the orlesian, you encounter a NPC that states stuff like: "Remember when (select enora/allister or both) came to power and marched with (select armies) to denerim where The warden sacrificed and killed the arche deamon?"



It's been done in Kotor 2 aswell and nothing stated that it won't happen again

[Lucy Glitter]

Exactly. What I don't... really understand is why they couldn't just go the Kotor2/me2 route and use dialogue options to determine things.

[Aldridgeguy]

*Sigh*

[Sabriana]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Exactly. What I don't... really understand is why they couldn't just go the Kotor2/me2 route and use dialogue options to determine things.

Or, why not come out and say so if they did. Instead of letting everyone sitting on slow-boil.

[Feraele]

Vuokseniska wrote...

you all have the idea that if you don't import the save from origins that your actions with the US is ignored... there is still the option that as your play the orlesian, you encounter a NPC that states stuff like: "Remember when (select enora/allister or both) came to power and marched with (select armies) to denerim where The warden sacrificed and killed the arche deamon?"

It's been done in Kotor 2 aswell and nothing stated that it won't happen again

Then if thats the case..it really needs to be indicated...thus far it has not.

[Feraele]

Aldridge..if you have nothing valid to contribute I suggest you stop what you are doing...which is attempting to derail this thread.

This is a conversation ...something you seem intent on disrupting..but not really adding anything of any value to it.

Thanks.

Modifié par Feraele, 15 février 2010 - 12:56 .

[T1l]

The more I think about this, the more it seems strange to me that I was incorrect in thinking the Orlesian Grey Warden is there, mainly, to serve as a replacement for those of us who have killed their characters. In fact, when Awakening was announced I'm almost positive I read something to that effect - that the Orlesian Grey Warden is the "if you killed your character, then you get to fill the shoes of a Warden from Orlais".

Have I gone mad? I can't seem to get this thought out of my head. For the last two hours I've been looking over all the developer and writer posts, all the wiki articles and the official pages, and I can not for the life of me find it stated anywhere - but again, if that isn't the case, why have an Orlesian Warden at all? You could pre-fabricate any of the other Origin stories just fine to fill the shoes of an ambiguous no-name Warden for the sake of a player character.

I don't know, this isn't adding up.

We're missing something, that's for sure; or at least I think I am.

EDIT: You know, in thinking about it more, what I just said (if you killed your character, then you get to fill the shoes of a Warden from Orlais) wouldn't be entirely incorrect if, by that, it means "you get to play a pre-fab character because your main is dead; sux 2 b u"; and that doesn't include importing your dead characters Origin choices. Man, I'm so confused.

Modifié par T1l, 15 février 2010 - 01:02 .

[T1l]

Maviarab wrote...

T1...

You are right...thats what was said. Now they saiyng something else.

And that post has been 'removed' btw....

Ah, interesting... and slightly upsetting.

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

The more I think about this, the more it seems strange to me that I was incorrect in thinking the Orlesian Grey Warden is there, mainly, to serve as a replacement for those of us who have killed their characters. In fact, when Awakening was announced I'm almost positive I read something to that effect - that the Orlesian Grey Warden is the "if you killed your character, then you get to fill the shoes of a Warden from Orlais".

Have I gone mad? I can't seem to get this thought out of my head. For the last two hours I've been looking over all the developer and writer posts, all the wiki articles and the official pages, and I can not for the life of me find it stated anywhere - but again, if that isn't the case, why have an Orlesian Warden at all? You could pre-fabricate any of the other Origin stories just fine to fill the shoes of an ambiguous no-name Warden for the sake of a player character.

I don't know, this isn't adding up.

We're missing something, that's for sure; or at least I think I am.

EDIT: You know, in thinking about it more, what I just said (if you killed your character, then you get to fill the shoes of a Warden from Orlais) wouldn't be entirely incorrect if, by that, it means "you get to play a pre-fab character because your main is dead; sux 2 b u"; and that doesn't include importing your dead characters Origin choices. Man, I'm so confused.

I believe its possible there is a blue bioware post missing from the original thread that announced Awakening..no you aren't going mad,  some of us remember this,  matter of fact Mavi did a search high and low for that same thing...

All we have left of that information is that our decisions/choices will be carried over to Awakening.    But the Orlesian Warden was mentioned in conjunction with the dead warden ending...Ultimate Sacrifice.   Its why I wasn't concerned about it til I saw this thread.   If you look back in the early pages of this thread, you'll see I was just as surprised as many others..that the "new" thing was to have your dead warden "somehow" survive and therefore the Ultimate Sacrifice never happened.

This new option..caters to those gamers that "may" have complained about not being able to play their dead Warden.   It did not however, clarify things for those of us..who don't consider that an option, nor does it state anywhere that the US version will be recognized ..as a choice carried over into the expansion.

The New Grey Warden..will be just a new character you start..from the looks of things, no connection whatsoever to Origins.    Why I think that is..because..you cannot play that Orlesian grey warden in Origins..it is confined to Awakening only.   

There has been no clarification that some sort of brief history or conversation will take place, thus, validating the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.

Missing information.

[Aldridgeguy]

Feraele wrote...



Aldridge..if you have nothing valid to contribute I suggest you stop what you are doing...which is attempting to derail this thread.

This is a conversation ...something you seem intent on disrupting..but not really adding anything of any value to it.

Thanks.

 
Nothing valid? Who exactly are you to tell me that my opinion is not as valid or correct as anyone elses, I am not attempting to derail the thread in any shape or fashion. Someone mentioned earlier that I do not understand the topic of this thread, on the contrary, if you refer to the OP, there was NO mention of " Orlesian grey wardens " or " transfering save files " etc etc, these points were raised after the fact. The OP was an argument that, allowing people to upload previous characters that had performed the 'ultimate sacrifice'  was making the characters death a minor inconvenience. My argument against this, I wont repeat, just scroll up !

[T1l]

Feraele wrote...

Missing information.

Very much so, and thanks for clarifying my concern. Makes me a little more comfortable to know I'm not going mad. I'm sure I remember one of the writers, developers or community managers saying that the Warden from Orlais was "there for those of us who had killed off their main and wanted to continue their adventures" (or something to that effect).

Oh well, I guess I'll go back to waiting for an official response. Hopefully we'll get one.

[T1l]

Aldridgeguy wrote...
 
Nothing valid? Who exactly are you to tell me that my opinion is not as valid or correct as anyone elses, I am not attempting to derail the thread in any shape or fashion. Someone mentioned earlier that I do not understand the topic of this thread, on the contrary, if you refer to the OP, there was NO mention of " Orlesian grey wardens " or " transfering save files " etc etc, these points were raised after the fact. The OP was an argument that, allowing people to upload previous characters that had performed the 'ultimate sacrifice'  was making the characters death a minor inconvenience. My argument against this, I wont repeat, just scroll up !

To be fair, that's why my initial response to this thread was me going off my ****** and calling the nay-sayers inane whingers - and honestly, I think the original post deserves to be met with that criticism. The conversation in the thread, however, had developed and just posting a large reaction picture, lets face it, isn't the height of maturity or in the best interests of furthering the current discussion.

Modifié par T1l, 15 février 2010 - 01:23 .

[Feraele]

Aldridgeguy wrote...

Feraele wrote...



Aldridge..if you have nothing valid to contribute I suggest you stop what you are doing...which is attempting to derail this thread.

This is a conversation ...something you seem intent on disrupting..but not really adding anything of any value to it.

Thanks.

 
Nothing valid? Who exactly are you to tell me that my opinion is not as valid or correct as anyone elses, I am not attempting to derail the thread in any shape or fashion. Someone mentioned earlier that I do not understand the topic of this thread, on the contrary, if you refer to the OP, there was NO mention of " Orlesian grey wardens " or " transfering save files " etc etc, these points were raised after the fact. The OP was an argument that, allowing people to upload previous characters that had performed the 'ultimate sacrifice'  was making the characters death a minor inconvenience. My argument against this, I wont repeat, just scroll up !

Yes I saw your "argument" you spent time berating us..in that post..then the next post you posted up some silly picture.

I don't see that you are adding anything constructive...you are here to derail, and possibly gain some much needed attention.

[spottyblanket]

While I myself don't think the reincarnation thing is an issue, I can see why it bothers some people in here (after reading). It doesn't bother me, I still don't think its a big deal myself--I think bringing it up is nitpicky (but hey, thats just what I think). The But I respect the opinions of those who do. Shouting at everyone else isn't going to change their opinion, and its hardly nice to berate others that don't agree with you.



feelings you assiocate with your own character, how you shaped them are your own and nobody elses.

[Vuokseniska]

Feraele wrote...

Vuokseniska wrote...

you all have the idea that if you don't import the save from origins that your actions with the US is ignored... there is still the option that as your play the orlesian, you encounter a NPC that states stuff like: "Remember when (select enora/allister or both) came to power and marched with (select armies) to denerim where The warden sacrificed and killed the arche deamon?"

It's been done in Kotor 2 aswell and nothing stated that it won't happen again

Then if thats the case..it really needs to be indicated...thus far it has not.

you know game designers don't always put all info about the game on the interwebs.

they rarely do