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[spottyblanket]

Hamster :3 The game should have hamsters...

[Elvhen Veluthil]

I didn't read all the pages, can someone tell me if they are going to resurrect the dead Warden somehow or just assume that you took Morrigan's path (even if you sacrificed yourself)?

[Aldridgeguy]

T1l wrote...

Aldridgeguy wrote...
 
Nothing valid? Who exactly are you to tell me that my opinion is not as valid or correct as anyone elses, I am not attempting to derail the thread in any shape or fashion. Someone mentioned earlier that I do not understand the topic of this thread, on the contrary, if you refer to the OP, there was NO mention of " Orlesian grey wardens " or " transfering save files " etc etc, these points were raised after the fact. The OP was an argument that, allowing people to upload previous characters that had performed the 'ultimate sacrifice'  was making the characters death a minor inconvenience. My argument against this, I wont repeat, just scroll up !

To be fair, that's why my initial response to this thread was me going off my ****** and calling the nay-sayers inane whingers - and honestly, I think the original post deserves to be met with that criticism. The conversation in the thread, however, had developed and just posting a large reaction picture, lets face it, isn't the height of maturity or in the best interests of furthering the current discussion.

Thankyou for that, at least someone is talking sense and not just slating my posts just because my opinion doesn't coincide with thiers !!

[Feraele]

Elvhen Veluthil wrote...

I didn't read all the pages, can someone tell me if they are going to resurrect the dead Warden somehow or just assume that you took Morrigan's path (even if you sacrificed yourself)?

Ask a Dev   the FAQ states that you can import your dead warden file...to Awakening and have him mysteriously survive the fight with the Archdemon, but the Ultimate Sacrifice never happened.

[Aldridgeguy]

spottyblanket wrote...

Hamster :3 The game should have hamsters...

" Go for the eyes Boo ! "

[Feraele]

Vuokseniska wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Vuokseniska wrote...

you all have the idea that if you don't import the save from origins that your actions with the US is ignored... there is still the option that as your play the orlesian, you encounter a NPC that states stuff like: "Remember when (select enora/allister or both) came to power and marched with (select armies) to denerim where The warden sacrificed and killed the arche deamon?"

It's been done in Kotor 2 aswell and nothing stated that it won't happen again

Then if thats the case..it really needs to be indicated...thus far it has not.

you know game designers don't always put all info about the game on the interwebs.

they rarely do

I've been around the "interwebz" for quite some years. 

I find it funny that...those gamers that didn't want their warden to stay dead, got information to carry them forward..the rest of us that believed the Ultimate Sacrifice was a valid ending and meant something...didn't get anything.    We are left in the dark as to what is going to happen.

[LdyShayna]

AuraofMana wrote...

So the game doesn't have something you want? Sucks to be you, now STFU and stop ****ing.

Keep these threads civil.  There's no need for rude stuff like this, and most of this thread appears to be a useful discussion to those participating.  Popping in to tell everyone to shut up is not necessary.  If you think the thread is not worth your time, go to another you think more useful.

And not just AuraofMana - anyone entering a thread just to say you think the thread is stupid and a waste of time (or whatever) is pointless.  Don't do it. 

[spottyblanket]

Ask a Dev   the FAQ states that you can import your dead warden file...to Awakening and have him mysteriously survive the fight with the Archdemon, but the Ultimate Sacrifice never happened.

Whoa, okay--thats a little strange. I don't know, do you think Bioware has something cooked up in that aspect? Seeing as the main route in the game is to make the ultimate sacrifice, I have a feeling it won't be overlooked so easily. Maybe (excuse my whedon ways here) you being alive will break the cosmos, or bring about some horrible evil. If thats the direction bioware is going in, I like that idea. Some kind of price you pay for mysteriously surving. Maybe other forces are at work....

[Feraele]

Aldridgeguy wrote...

Holy freakin crap, if ya wanna import a dead character then do it, if you don't want to then don't IT'S NOT A HARD CONCEPT TO GRASP !! its not the end of civilisation as we know it just because bioware gave us the option to do so IF WE WANT TO. It's hardly a momentous, life changing, earth-shattering development is it? I have read a lot ( not all ) of the previous points and to be honest, if your lives are so devoid of anything to get upset or angry about that you have to get so freakin wound up about whether or not you can ressurect a dead character on a COMPUTER GAME then I am, to be quite honest, very jealous of you. Theres a lot more going on in this world that warrants getting genuinely angry and concerned about, as I once said to Alistair " get over yourself "

THIS is an example of you understanding and attempting to join in the conversation here?

"holy freakin crap"   interesting.   

"not the end of civilization"    -- brilliant deduction Sherlock.


Now if you would care to actually put a viewpoint across that actually addresses the conversation we have been having, instead of assuming all kinds of very strange things about the people in this thread...you might have gained some credit here.

I think we all know its a computer game...no mystery there.  

Anything else you'd like to add?

[Feraele]

spottyblanket wrote...

Ask a Dev   the FAQ states that you can import your dead warden file...to Awakening and have him mysteriously survive the fight with the Archdemon, but the Ultimate Sacrifice never happened.

Whoa, okay--thats a little strange. I don't know, do you think Bioware has something cooked up in that aspect? Seeing as the main route in the game is to make the ultimate sacrifice, I have a feeling it won't be overlooked so easily. Maybe (excuse my whedon ways here) you being alive will break the cosmos, or bring about some horrible evil. If thats the direction bioware is going in, I like that idea. Some kind of price you pay for mysteriously surving. Maybe other forces are at work....

No idea, you just might have something there. lol 

[flem1]

spottyblanket wrote...

Hamster :3 The game should have hamsters...

Boo does appear in ME2.

[Elvhen Veluthil]

spottyblanket wrote...

Ask a Dev   the FAQ states that you can import your dead warden file...to Awakening and have him mysteriously survive the fight with the Archdemon, but the Ultimate Sacrifice never happened.

Whoa, okay--thats a little strange. I don't know, do you think Bioware has something cooked up in that aspect? Seeing as the main route in the game is to make the ultimate sacrifice, I have a feeling it won't be overlooked so easily. Maybe (excuse my whedon ways here) you being alive will break the cosmos, or bring about some horrible evil. If thats the direction bioware is going in, I like that idea. Some kind of price you pay for mysteriously surving. Maybe other forces are at work....

Lore-wise it's not impossible to introduce resurrection in the world. We already know that there is possible to bind a soul in this world and deny it passage through the Veil. What is missing is to justify that something like that happened to your Warden and that someone found a way to bring the soul back to your body. Personally I like high-magic worlds and wouldn't mind at all to add resurrection in the world.

From the codex:

"I have painstakingly pieced together information from old books and from
the tales and half-truths passed down to us by our forefathers. I
believe I now understand the ritual used to create the wraiths. The
brazier was lit with a consecrated taper, its flame taken from the
everlasting fire that long ago consumed Andraste Herself. The chosen
disciple would fast and pray for weeks, taking into his body nothing but
a sip of water a day. When the disciple was finally ready, he would
place in his mouth a flawless black pearl, and step into the flames. In
ancient Tevinter, black pearls were thought to be magical, able to stop
the soul from passing through the Veil when held in the mouth at the
moment of death.




Thus, Andraste's disciples consigned themselves to the eternal flame;
they became dust and ashes, and rose again and again to protect the most
Beloved of the Maker.




--From the journal of Father Kolgrim."

[Feraele]

Indeed that is referring to the Ash Wraiths that guard the temple where Andraste's Ashes are.

But..they are resurrected as Ash Wraiths.   I guess I could see that if the dead warden came back..somehow changed.  But still given time constraints I doubt we'll see something like that.  

This expansion is due to release March 16 ..thats not very far away at all now.

Modifié par Feraele, 15 février 2010 - 02:33 .

[Azure Zero]

Which in itself, could be a bad sign. Knowing how wrong this sits with so many potential customers, one would think they'd be front and center, clearing this up if all assumptions about importing choices and the dead Warden were so terribly wrong.

I'm no software person, but I don't see how a save-file can be ported over, that shows the decisions but exclude the dead Warden. So a nice little cut-scene, showing the appreciation for the ultimate sacrifice could go a long way.

I have no personal stake in this, none of my girls sacrificed themselves. But I can see the ire in having 50 - 80 (ymmv) hours of game-play, character development, etc, just nullified.

Edited, because spelling in English is an art

Probably by adding a few extra steps to the Orlesian char creation. Choose to start fresh, or choose to import a save file where it scans the file for relevant data (same way it probably scans an import save to fill in the blanks anyway) but have it ignore the character file as it is already filled in by the orlesian char generation file.

Look at tis site for example, it uploads the story file seperate from the character file. The story file just fills in blanks based on your choices. Given proper time they could code that into awakening which is why I feel awakening is a rushed project.

Modifié par Azure Zero, 15 février 2010 - 02:41 .

[Sabriana]

@ Azure



"Adding a few steps" might just be the magic word (or words). But I appreciate the explanation, I always like to learn new things. (Note: this is not snarky or sarcasm, but sincere).



Meh, I'll wait and see. If it really is rushed and feels incomplete, then I'll buy it when the price goes down (far down). No big loss, I have other games and past-times. I have no dead Warden, so I'm just discussing it in the "if I had" criteria, and people's concerns are certainly valid.

As it stands, there is too much missing that I, personally, place high value on. Therefore it seems not to be my cup of tea, and I'll pass until I can get it from the bargain bin.

[Aldridgeguy]

Feraele wrote..


Now if you would care to actually put a viewpoint across that actually addresses the conversation we have been having,

If by " the conversation we are having " you mean " the conversation we decided to have despite the topic of the OP "  then by all means, continue

[Curlain]

Azure Zero wrote...

Which in itself, could be a bad sign. Knowing how wrong this sits with so many potential customers, one would think they'd be front and center, clearing this up if all assumptions about importing choices and the dead Warden were so terribly wrong.

I'm no software person, but I don't see how a save-file can be ported over, that shows the decisions but exclude the dead Warden. So a nice little cut-scene, showing the appreciation for the ultimate sacrifice could go a long way.

I have no personal stake in this, none of my girls sacrificed themselves. But I can see the ire in having 50 - 80 (ymmv) hours of game-play, character development, etc, just nullified.

Edited, because spelling in English is an art

Probably by adding a few extra steps to the Orlesian char creation. Choose to start fresh, or choose to import a save file where it scans the file for relevant data (same way it probably scans an import save to fill in the blanks anyway) but have it ignore the character file as it is already filled in by the orlesian char generation file.

Look at tis site for example, it uploads the story file seperate from the character file. The story file just fills in blanks based on your choices. Given proper time they could code that into awakening which is why I feel awakening is a rushed project.

Agreed, I just don't get why something like this couldn't have been done.  The US Warden was my first playthough, and I was really looking forward to having a playthrough as the Orlesian Warden and see the effects of my first Warden had on Ferelden, see his statue at Vigil's Keep and the choices I had made for him carry through.  Now looking at what they have said, I don't really see the point in the Orlesian Warden (or the US in Origins either now) other then for players who don't wish to play Origins at all.  For a game that spent much of the time marketing itself on the importance of our choices and the consequences from these in game it's a little bit sad to me

[T1l]

Feraele wrote...

This expansion is due to release March 16 ..thats not very far away at all now.

It'll probably go gold around March the 1st, so I'd think the Awakening crew would be mainly doing QA and polishing now. What's done is done. There's not going to be any massive gameplay or story changes between now and the 16th of March. So, with that in mind, it should be fairly easy for one of the Bioware guys to clarify the concern one way or the other.

[Feraele]

Azure Zero wrote...

Which in itself, could be a bad sign. Knowing how wrong this sits with so many potential customers, one would think they'd be front and center, clearing this up if all assumptions about importing choices and the dead Warden were so terribly wrong.

I'm no software person, but I don't see how a save-file can be ported over, that shows the decisions but exclude the dead Warden. So a nice little cut-scene, showing the appreciation for the ultimate sacrifice could go a long way.

I have no personal stake in this, none of my girls sacrificed themselves. But I can see the ire in having 50 - 80 (ymmv) hours of game-play, character development, etc, just nullified.

Edited, because spelling in English is an art

Probably by adding a few extra steps to the Orlesian char creation. Choose to start fresh, or choose to import a save file where it scans the file for relevant data (same way it probably scans an import save to fill in the blanks anyway) but have it ignore the character file as it is already filled in by the orlesian char generation file.

Look at tis site for example, it uploads the story file seperate from the character file. The story file just fills in blanks based on your choices. Given proper time they could code that into awakening which is why I feel awakening is a rushed project.

And being that we all are aware that this site does this..that this site actually connects with our save game files, if it hasn't been done..why not?  

Perhaps its the same thing as the dlc items not porting over, and thats due to different teams doing different things.  

But again ..this is speculation til someone decides we need more clarification.

Modifié par Feraele, 15 février 2010 - 02:54 .

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Feraele wrote...

This expansion is due to release March 16 ..thats not very far away at all now.

It'll probably go gold around March the 1st, so I'd think the Awakening crew would be mainly doing QA and polishing now. What's done is done. There's not going to be any massive gameplay or story changes between now and the 16th of March. So, with that in mind, it should be fairly easy for one of the Bioware guys to clarify the concern one way or the other.

Agreed T, I've seen this before..the last month is not the time to implement radical changes..heh those games that did that  (Vanguard  ...one of a few in the recent past) lost out in the end.

[Sabriana]

Aldridgeguy wrote...

Feraele wrote..


Now if you would care to actually put a viewpoint across that actually addresses the conversation we have been having,

If by " the conversation we are having " you mean " the conversation we decided to have despite the topic of the OP "  then by all means, continue

Not to appear pedantic, but the Thread Title is
Playing with dead Warden = BS.
I don't see your point. Isn't that what's discussed? It might not be in line with the original post, but it's definitely in line with the title.

[Feraele]

Aldridgeguy wrote...

Feraele wrote..


Now if you would care to actually put a viewpoint across that actually addresses the conversation we have been having,

If by " the conversation we are having " you mean " the conversation we decided to have despite the topic of the OP "  then by all means, continue

Gee thanks Sir   hehe

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Elvhen. The Warden's spirit died alongside the Archdemon's. If the Warden somehow survived, then wouldn't the Archdemon survive as well?

Ressurection is possible in a fantasy world, we are not arguing that. But then the "ultimate" sacrifice would have been meaningless. It's no sacrifice at all. Mind you the US ending is not my "main" playthrough, but I still find it annoying. Whatever emotion that the US ending stirred up would have been for noting.

The only way they could make a ressurected Warden interesting is for him to have both his spirit and the archdemon within him, both of which are struggling for ocntrol. That would be a good story, but I doubt it will happen.

[Godak]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Elvhen. The Warden's spirit died alongside the Archdemon's. If the Warden somehow survived, then wouldn't the Archdemon survive as well?
Ressurection is possible in a fantasy world, we are not arguing that. But then the "ultimate" sacrifice would have been meaningless. It's no sacrifice at all. Mind you the US ending is not my "main" playthrough, but I still find it annoying. Whatever emotion that the US ending stirred up would have been for noting.
The only way they could make a ressurected Warden interesting is for him to have both his spirit and the archdemon within him, both of which are struggling for ocntrol. That would be a good story, but I doubt it will happen.

The Warden got better, alright?!