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[Reaverwind]

RPGlover732 wrote...

Jackimole wrote...

RPGlover732 wrote...

Jackimole wrote...

They said that if you didn't care about the story, you could use your dead warden. But, I'm assuming you do care, so I'd suggest using the Orleasian.

well the orleasian has a canon story attachexd to them so that wont work either

What do you mean?

I mean my choices from my dead character dont go over to the orlesian. he is attached to choices, its like my ultimate sacrifice character never happend.

Or, more like he/she never existed. Based on what I've read on other threads, I'd say it's safe to assume the expansion is going to assume the US warden was a male human noble. Pity, since a preview seems to confirm that to get the best value out of the expansion, you really need to import a character, since decisions made WILL be referred to. Bah, I prefer the US ending, so I'm simply not purchasing the expansion. May my warden rest in peace.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 20 février 2010 - 11:40 .

[Lord_Darkmoon]

Oh another interesting point. Who will the dead warden be if you create the Orlesian warden? Will he be male or female? What race was he from?

I think that it will be only mentioned that "a grey warden" made the sacrifice and there will be no mention of his sex or race...

[hero 2]

So in other words, Ultimate Sacrifice is pointless, and you shouldn't do it? Okay well thanks for clearing it up, at least.

[Feraele]

hero 2 wrote...

So in other words, Ultimate Sacrifice is pointless, and you shouldn't do it? Okay well thanks for clearing it up, at least.

Thats pretty much the gist of it...unless they change their minds,  and I doubt that will happen..March 16th is getting closer all the time.

[RPGlover732]

I really want all of us to be wrong and it runs out bioware didnt just screw us over

[payroo]

What I don't understand is why the devs refuse to address this issue at all, even in the new 2/19 FAQ. They seem to be reasonably responsive to other concerns; why so stubbornly blind to this?

[RPGlover732]

payroo wrote...

What I don't understand is why the devs refuse to address this issue at all, even in the new 2/19 FAQ. They seem to be reasonably responsive to other concerns; why so stubbornly blind to this?

I have a feeling they did screw up big time, and thats why they wont respond in fear of losing alot of sales and the forums exploding

[StE3fS]

RPGlover732 wrote...

payroo wrote...

What I don't understand is why the devs refuse to address this issue at all, even in the new 2/19 FAQ. They seem to be reasonably responsive to other concerns; why so stubbornly blind to this?

I have a feeling they did screw up big time, and thats why they wont respond in fear of losing alot of sales and the forums exploding

Well they do seem awfully silent, don't they? I for one would very much like this feature included, since the US ending was the best in my opinion. It won't be gamebreaking if they don't include it however, since I'll have another character waiting. They know this, that's the pest.

[Seanylegit]

I guess I'm not as much of a die hard RPG fan as everyone else here, but I'm actually really excited I'll get to use my dead Warden, assuming of course the reason for him coming back to life makes sense.



But I think a reasonable compromise would be when you import your US ending you have the option of having the Warden stay dead or come back to life.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Seanylegit wrote...

I guess I'm not as much of a die hard RPG fan as everyone else here, but I'm actually really excited I'll get to use my dead Warden, assuming of course the reason for him coming back to life makes sense.

A wizard did it.

[Morroian]

Seanylegit wrote...

I guess I'm not as much of a die hard RPG fan as everyone else here, but I'm actually really excited I'll get to use my dead Warden, assuming of course the reason for him coming back to life makes sense.

I don't think he comes back to life ingame. It will just be assumed he didn't make the US.

[MalikCaligulaBey]

I really think it's about time we had some dev input on this subject.



*hint hint*

[tomas819]

Staylost wrote...

I agree, Maria.
They should have the Orlesian Origin be the default for a sacrificed Warden. When you import your dead Warden's file, it should save the world changes but let you play through as the Orlesian of course.

It is stupid how they have it now.

I like this solution. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to throw Ultimate Sacrifice players a bone here, some small acknowledgment in game of the prior charcter's sacrifice -- perhaps a mention from Oghren. Otherwise, it feels as though the Dark Ritual option (that, or sacrificing one of the companions against the Arch Demon) is the only one available for players who want a little continuity.

Of the available endings, the sacrifice one was the very best, imo. It frustrates me that players who choose this ending in effect start Awakenings from scratch.

Modifié par tomas819, 21 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[Maria Caliban]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Seanylegit wrote...

I guess I'm not as much of a die hard RPG fan as everyone else here, but I'm actually really excited I'll get to use my dead Warden, assuming of course the reason for him coming back to life makes sense.

A wizard did it.

The reason he comes back to life is that he never died. An imported US Warden didn't do the US, and probably gave Morrigan her old god baby.

MalikCaligulaBey wrote...

I really think it's about time we had some dev input on this subject.

*hint hint*

That's not going to happen. There was an interview with Fernando where the interviewer asked about the US ending. According to Fernando, BioWare did this for the fans because people who did the US want to play as their dead character.

This thread simply doesn't exist. Sort of like the US ending itself.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 22 février 2010 - 09:05 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

The reason for this imho is just that Awakening has not the purpose to create a continuity with the main plot.... but that it is a self-ended adventure which begins and finishes. I don't think we will be able in a future game to continue from the end of Awakening...



If they had the purpose to create a continuity to the story they should not give you the opportunity to play with a character who died...and if I have to guess, I believe that Awakening is just another proof that also DAO is an already ended story and that we will not going to see a direct continuation of the 1st game in a future sequel... unless they decide we will have to "forget" all the things we will see in Awakening and to recover the end of DAO for the second chapter... and I find it quite difficult...

[blademaster7]

They said the matter which the Archdemon was slain is gonna have an impact in the EP. So, I'm guessing they have already recorded the dialogue/story with the endings that you survived and those are the ones that matter.

It would make sense to play as an Orlesian GW and have your US ending carry over but the whole point of the new character is to allow you to play even if you haven't completed Origins. I tend to believe that the Orlesian GW was just thrown in there for anyone that doesn't have a save to import. That would explain why they haven't recorded any dialogue/story to reflect Origins for the new character.

Either that (which means they messed up and screwed people out of the best ending) or they're slowly trying to introduce a canon ending by eliminating the US.

[MaxQuartiroli]

blademaster7 wrote...

They said the matter which the Archdemon was slain is gonna have an impact in the EP. So, I'm guessing they have already recorded the dialogue/story with the endings that you survived and those are the ones that matter.

It would make sense to play as an Orlesian GW and have your US ending carry over but the whole point of the new character is to allow you to play even if you haven't completed Origins. I tend to believe that the Orlesian GW was just thrown in there for anyone that doesn't have a save to import. That would explain why they haven't recorded any dialogue/story to reflect Origins for the new character.

Either that (which means they messed up and screwed people out of the best ending) or they're slowly trying to introduce a canon ending by eliminating the US.

This is only if you suppose their purpose is to create an history events which foresee DAO => DAA => DA???
In order to do this they should force the story to a canon ending becuase, without this, it would be really difficult to create a continuation matching all possible finals. As I don't believe they are trying to introduce a canon ending i continue to think Awakening has to be intended as a detached adventure...

[Chirurene]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

They said the matter which the Archdemon was slain is gonna have an impact in the EP. So, I'm guessing they have already recorded the dialogue/story with the endings that you survived and those are the ones that matter.

It would make sense to play as an Orlesian GW and have your US ending carry over but the whole point of the new character is to allow you to play even if you haven't completed Origins. I tend to believe that the Orlesian GW was just thrown in there for anyone that doesn't have a save to import. That would explain why they haven't recorded any dialogue/story to reflect Origins for the new character.

Either that (which means they messed up and screwed people out of the best ending) or they're slowly trying to introduce a canon ending by eliminating the US.

This is only if you suppose their purpose is to create an history events which foresee DAO => DAA => DA???
In order to do this they should force the story to a canon ending becuase, without this, it would be really difficult to create a continuation matching all possible finals. As I don't believe they are trying to introduce a canon ending i continue to think Awakening has to be intended as a detached adventure...

If they force the story to have a canon ending, then what's the point of us making choices?

I just wish they take into consideration for players who want US ending to have meaning. And I don't meaning playing as a dead warden who is supposed to be dead.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well the devs could at least give us some hints about this "default" (aka canonical) story that the Orlesian is forced to be in. Ideally, it should have Alistair as king, Anora as Queen and Loghain as Warden. That way, it could satisfy most of us.

[Feraele]

payroo wrote...

What I don't understand is why the devs refuse to address this issue at all, even in the new 2/19 FAQ. They seem to be reasonably responsive to other concerns; why so stubbornly blind to this?

It seems to be a "deliberate" decision not to answer...I guess hoping those of us who object will fade away into the ether....

We'll see.   Maybe there are things going on behind the scenes..or maybe there aren't.     I will still be left with this question in my head..til they finally decide to clarify.

[Feraele]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Seanylegit wrote...

I guess I'm not as much of a die hard RPG fan as everyone else here, but I'm actually really excited I'll get to use my dead Warden, assuming of course the reason for him coming back to life makes sense.

A wizard did it.

No no..the butler did it...yup

[Feraele]

RPGlover732 wrote...

I really want all of us to be wrong and it runs out bioware didnt just screw us over

I agree..it would be nice.   So how about clearing this up for us Bioware? 

[Feraele]

Morroian wrote...

Seanylegit wrote...

I guess I'm not as much of a die hard RPG fan as everyone else here, but I'm actually really excited I'll get to use my dead Warden, assuming of course the reason for him coming back to life makes sense.

I don't think he comes back to life ingame. It will just be assumed he didn't make the US.

They state for the ending where...you can bring your dead warden back to life that "somehow he managed to survive"  ...the only way you could do that..is if you did the deed with Morrigan..."off camera"  hehe

[MaxQuartiroli]

Chirurene wrote...

If they force the story to have a canon ending, then what's the point of us making choices?

As I was saying I believe they allow you to make your choices because they wrote DAO as a finished chapter. Therefore you could make all the choices you wanted, what do they care...they will not carry on them.
Now we have Awakening which is an almost detached adventure, and in a future we will have a second chapter which will be some more detached, with a new lead-character, new companions and new history.. and our DAO history with our choices will almost disappear in the fade... This is my guess and what I feel... Maybe I'm wrong of course  

[Chirurene]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Chirurene wrote...

If they force the story to have a canon ending, then what's the point of us making choices?

As I was saying I believe they allow you to make your choices because they wrote DAO as a finished chapter. Therefore you could make all the choices you wanted, what do they care...they will not carry on them.
Now we have Awakening which is an almost detached adventure, and in a future we will have a second chapter which will be some more detached, with a new lead-character, new companions and new history.. and our DAO history with our choices will almost disappear in the fade... This is my guess and what I feel... Maybe I'm wrong of course  

Perhaps you're right, but I just don't understand why the decisions you make in the US ending is not acknowledged. I mean you can import with characters who did the ritual and all their choices so why not for the US ending? Any mention of it will be nice.