blademaster7 wrote...
I wonder if there is a sacrifice decision in Awakening. You know... it's a Bioware game after all, you get that kind of decisions... Our characters mysteriously survived the events of Origins but they may end up dying anyway... lol
Wouldn't that be a slap to the face?
The_Abyss wrote...
Put things in perspective here. It is quite impossible to include every single variation of the ending into a sequel, let alone an expansion. Some things will have to be cut out. I personally think bioware's greatest mistake was to allow multiple endings in the first place - although it might have been because they didn't expect the game to do well and warrant a sequel/expansion. BG1 didn't have multiple endings, which allowed it to transition smoothly to BG2.
Modifié par Gaudion, 02 mars 2010 - 12:41 .
Gaudion wrote...
The_Abyss wrote...
Put things in perspective here. It is quite impossible to include every single variation of the ending into a sequel, let alone an expansion. Some things will have to be cut out. I personally think bioware's greatest mistake was to allow multiple endings in the first place - although it might have been because they didn't expect the game to do well and warrant a sequel/expansion. BG1 didn't have multiple endings, which allowed it to transition smoothly to BG2.
This would be true if there were a lot of things to cut out, but there really aren't. If we're only talking about importing the ending, and not every little obscure sidequest as in Mass Effect, then there are really only two variables: who's on the throne and whether or not the Warden is alive. Of those two, one is obviously binary; therefore, the only choice with any real variable at all is who is on the throne.
Banon Loire wrote...
If you don't import your dead Warden and play as the Orlesian Warden then it makes perfect sense for it to use a canon story. DA:O was the story of the player's Warden - if the Warden dies that story is at an end. The Ultimate Sacrifice is just that: ultimate, final. The story ends when you die - unless your willing to break immersion and import a 'dead' character.
If you don't import an existing warden, DA:A becomes an entirely separate story - the story of the Orlesian Warden. This story starts with DA:A as only then is the new Warden introduced. It makes sense that it should have a canon backstory as it in no way relates to the main character of DA:O.
You should think of Awakening as being one of two things. 1) A continuation of DA:O where the DA:O Warden lives OR 2) A standalone story with an Orlesian Warden as the main character: this is essentially the 'New Game' option for DA:A.
Banon Loire wrote...
If you don't import your dead Warden and play as the Orlesian Warden then it makes perfect sense for it to use a canon story. DA:O was the story of the player's Warden - if the Warden dies that story is at an end. The Ultimate Sacrifice is just that: ultimate, final. The story ends when you die - unless your willing to break immersion and import a 'dead' character.
If you don't import an existing warden, DA:A becomes an entirely separate story - the story of the Orlesian Warden. This story starts with DA:A as only then is the new Warden introduced. It makes sense that it should have a canon backstory as it in no way relates to the main character of DA:O.
You should think of Awakening as being one of two things. 1) A continuation of DA:O where the DA:O Warden lives OR 2) A standalone story with an Orlesian Warden as the main character: this is essentially the 'New Game' option for DA:A.
The_Abyss wrote...
Gaudion wrote...
This would be true if there were a lot of things to cut out, but there really aren't. If we're only talking about importing the ending, and not every little obscure sidequest as in Mass Effect, then there are really only two variables: who's on the throne and whether or not the Warden is alive. Of those two, one is obviously binary; therefore, the only choice with any real variable at all is who is on the throne.
Those 2 variables - who is king and who died - would already affect a great number of responces from everything - dialogue, enemies, etc. It is not possible to cramp all that into an expansion.
Banon Loire wrote...
If you don't import your dead Warden and play as the Orlesian Warden then it makes perfect sense for it to use a canon story. DA:O was the story of the player's Warden - if the Warden dies that story is at an end. The Ultimate Sacrifice is just that: ultimate, final. The story ends when you die - unless your willing to break immersion and import a 'dead' character.
If you don't import an existing warden, DA:A becomes an entirely separate story - the story of the Orlesian Warden. This story starts with DA:A as only then is the new Warden introduced. It makes sense that it should have a canon backstory as it in no way relates to the main character of DA:O.
You should think of Awakening as being one of two things. 1) A continuation of DA:O where the DA:O Warden lives OR 2) A standalone story with an Orlesian Warden as the main character: this is essentially the 'New Game' option for DA:A.
Gaudion wrote...
The_Abyss wrote...
Gaudion wrote...
This would be true if there were a lot of things to cut out, but there really aren't. If we're only talking about importing the ending, and not every little obscure sidequest as in Mass Effect, then there are really only two variables: who's on the throne and whether or not the Warden is alive. Of those two, one is obviously binary; therefore, the only choice with any real variable at all is who is on the throne.
Those 2 variables - who is king and who died - would already affect a great number of responces from everything - dialogue, enemies, etc. It is not possible to cramp all that into an expansion.
It is possible, and for a game that was billed as Dragon Age was--a game where your decisions matter and actively mold the world around you--forcibly overwriting those decisions with canon is at best a retraction of that statement and at worst an insult to the player's intelligence when you consider that they're advertising an even more interactive world in the sequel.
Now, what may or may not be possible within a given timeframe is a valid argument. But make no mistake: Bioware chose to rush this expansion out after only a few months, and by all accounts it's shaping up to be a rather shallow experience judging by the increasingly barren offerings across the board in terms of what we've come to expect from them. No romances, only one returning party member, this lack of character continuity... The only place they're not actively taking steps backwards is combat, which looks to be the entire focus of Awakening.
There was no reason to rush this expansion to market. Given the success of Dragon Age, there is no reason to believe consumers would not wait for and purchase a more polished product further down the road.
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The_Abyss wrote...
Put things in perspective here. It is quite impossible to include every single variation of the ending into a sequel, let alone an expansion. Some things will have to be cut out.
Those 2 variables - who is king and who died - would already affect a great number of responces from everything - dialogue, enemies, etc. It is not possible to cramp all that into an expansion.
Modifié par distinguetraces, 02 mars 2010 - 06:28 .
distinguetraces wrote...
The_Abyss wrote...
Put things in perspective here. It is quite impossible to include every single variation of the ending into a sequel, let alone an expansion. Some things will have to be cut out.
People have said this repeatedly, and it does NOT apply in this cases. There are no missing variations. All the stpry branches that US players want to see ARE in the game -- Alistair dead, Alistair king, etc.
It is the functionality of triggering the correct specific variation to continue the storyline of a US game that is missing.
Modifié par Freezingfire, 02 mars 2010 - 06:17 .
Freezingfire wrote...
After the RTO items inclusion(which for me is not important). I'm waiting for them to fix this! Or was that just because people weren't buying RTO anymore?
Modifié par Ahzrei, 02 mars 2010 - 09:55 .
Maviarab wrote...
Do you think you could explain that again one more time for me please Fera?
Freezingfire wrote...
After the RTO items inclusion(which for me is not important). I'm waiting for them to fix this! Or was that just because people weren't buying RTO anymore?
Banon Loire wrote...
If you don't import your dead Warden and play as the Orlesian Warden then it makes perfect sense for it to use a canon story. DA:O was the story of the player's Warden - if the Warden dies that story is at an end. The Ultimate Sacrifice is just that: ultimate, final. The story ends when you die - unless your willing to break immersion and import a 'dead' character.
If you don't import an existing warden, DA:A becomes an entirely separate story - the story of the Orlesian Warden. This story starts with DA:A as only then is the new Warden introduced. It makes sense that it should have a canon backstory as it in no way relates to the main character of DA:O.
You should think of Awakening as being one of two things. 1) A continuation of DA:O where the DA:O Warden lives OR 2) A standalone story with an Orlesian Warden as the main character: this is essentially the 'New Game' option for DA:A.
importing a US ending/game choicesModifié par Jaulen, 02 mars 2010 - 11:30 .
I disagree.Banon Loire wrote...
DA:O was the story of the player's Warden
Shirle Illios wrote...
What is the point in sacrificing your life if all you're really doing is buying the world the ten more minutes needed for your funeral? If the world isn't allowed to continue then it makes the sacrifice meaningless. Which, considering that it's one of the most unique and most powerful choices in any game ever, is a crying shame.
BioWare has something special here, and it feels as if they're squandering it.
The_Abyss wrote...
Gaudion wrote...
It is possible, and for a game that was billed as Dragon Age was--a game where your decisions matter and actively mold the world around you--forcibly overwriting those decisions with canon is at best a retraction of that statement and at worst an insult to the player's intelligence when you consider that they're advertising an even more interactive world in the sequel.
Now, what may or may not be possible within a given timeframe is a valid argument. But make no mistake: Bioware chose to rush this expansion out after only a few months, and by all accounts it's shaping up to be a rather shallow experience judging by the increasingly barren offerings across the board in terms of what we've come to expect from them. No romances, only one returning party member, this lack of character continuity... The only place they're not actively taking steps backwards is combat, which looks to be the entire focus of Awakening.
There was no reason to rush this expansion to market. Given the success of Dragon Age, there is no reason to believe consumers would not wait for and purchase a more polished product further down the road.
You've forgotten that bioware isn't necessarily the only one making the decision of "when" the expansion is coming out. I'm pretty sure EA has a much bigger voice in that, and lets face it, EA is well known for milking as much money out of a product as fast as it can.
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