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[ztonkin]

I would have liked the Orlesian Warden to have to live in the Origins Warden's shadow if you went that route. You know, having to live up to the Warden that sacrificed himself in killing the Archdemon. I just hope that if you play as the Orlesian that your decisions in Origins carry over. If not, then what was the point of giving us the choice on how to end our playthrough?

[Feraele]

Okay according to the Live chat and Ferret..there was no world state going forward for the Ultimate Sacrifice..it seems they would rather you make your dead warden walk around than allow a small blurb that would give credit to your warden for their self-sacrifice ...So be it.

[Zatch001]

Apparently they wanted to give the players who sacrificed their warden the option to regain their character

[yullyuk]

Zatch001 wrote...

Apparently they wanted to give the players who sacrificed their warden the option to regain their character

even so it is complete BS that your character should magically ressurect themselves when they sacrificed themselves, what on earth where the devs thinking? that to me is a game breaker right their

[YohkoOhno]

Well, some people might have only played one time, sacrificed, and then not want to be left out of the fun. In this case, it is to please the wide variety of player base rather than the hard core RPGers who take the US way too seriously.



Remember, this is a game first and foremost, not an interactive novel.

[Feraele]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Well, some people might have only played one time, sacrificed, and then not want to be left out of the fun. In this case, it is to please the wide variety of player base rather than the hard core RPGers who take the US way too seriously.

Remember, this is a game first and foremost, not an interactive novel.

Or remember...those that scream loudest..get their wishes fulfilled..I'll remember that for future reference.

[YohkoOhno]

It's not a question of who screams, but rather how many. I mean, you've posted so much about this Feraele, so I would say you are one of the loudest. But their are other factors besides the vocal.



How many people are casual or semi-casual players who don't care as much about continuity?



Do you want to exclude people from the expansion because they only had one character that died? That would be off-putting from a practical perspective?



And it sounds like they tried to do this but could afford to spend the extra time.



So, no matter how much you complain, they simply just can't listen to a vocal minority.

[Feraele]

YohkoOhno wrote...

It's not a question of who screams, but rather how many. I mean, you've posted so much about this Feraele, so I would say you are one of the loudest. But their are other factors besides the vocal.

How many people are casual or semi-casual players who don't care as much about continuity?

Do you want to exclude people from the expansion because they only had one character that died? That would be off-putting from a practical perspective?

And it sounds like they tried to do this but could afford to spend the extra time.

So, no matter how much you complain, they simply just can't listen to a vocal minority.

So the "dead walk again" people get to influence the game for the rest of us......in other words,  roleplaying does not count..never did.    Thats fine..I can handle the truth.

Like I said in another thread this expansion better measure up..they already got my money.

[YohkoOhno]

The hard core RP in games is important for Bioware but as MMORPGs show, maybe 85% of people are more interested in the combat than the story.



This is a minor issue. People probably believe that this is going to be packed to the brim with references to Origins. I'm sure there will be some but I'm betting it's going to be a lot like Mass Effect 2 than anything else--there's not likely going to be a lot of plot navel gazing.



I'm not sure why it is so offensive to some. It sounds like it would be a pain in the ass to make world state importable without also importing a character. So they didn't support it. As for the offense towards the hand-waving factor of the US--keep in mind nobody is forcing people to do this. If you are a purist, don't do it.

[fthg42]

YohkoOhno wrote...

And it sounds like they tried to do this but could afford to spend the extra time.

I think you meant "couldn't". 

I'm surprisingly ok with this turn of events - I think a large amount of the angst (at least on my end) was the lack of any official response from the devs on the matter, and everything just built on speculation from the little information we had.

Bioware has an astonishingly large amount of credit in my eyes, based on their stellar games and track history, so although it is disappointing to hear that the US won't carry over, I'm willing to take their word for it when they say they didn't have the resources to fully implement it and believe it wasn't an intentional/flagrant oversight or abandonment of story continuity.  If nothing else I hope they'll take all this into account when designing future games in the franchise.  I'm still fairly confident they will deliver an amazing game with Awakening.

Modifié par fthg42, 06 mars 2010 - 02:19 .

[Rama_88]

At last it is confirmed then!!! I just wanted to know it for the better or worse, too bad they screwed up our game, if only they DID have a reasonable explanation for a resurection then i could continue the story. Well since a nice storyline matters the most to me it seems i wont be getting Awakening after all, well iam probably going to pirate it and maybe play a little, but i wouldnt give a peny for it.

[Alikain]

For what I just saw now I have decided to resurrected my AW just for the expansion. AW sepc with bettlemage spec is too excellent to pass it.

[YohkoOhno]

Outside of just ignoring the plot of a revived warden, which is mostly for the convenience of the player, can you really judge how well the story will be.



It's like people can't see the forest for the trees. Why focus on that one gnat?

[yullyuk]

regardless of the warden dieing they will do some sort of quick answer theyre not telling us about, like morrigan already had a child concieved or some such nonsense

[Alikain]

Rama_88 wrote...

At last it is confirmed then!!! I just wanted to know it for the better or worse, too bad they screwed up our game, if only they DID have a reasonable explanation for a resurection then i could continue the story. Well since a nice storyline matters the most to me it seems i wont be getting Awakening after all, well iam probably going to pirate it and maybe play a little, but i wouldnt give a peny for it.

you going to WHAT!! if you don't want to resurrected your character they are not compelling you to do so. i too took the ultimate sacrifice with my AW i refused to transfer her over but after watching just this preview demo i believe i want her to lived and continue the good fight. anora better watch out i will be coming back for my love lol.

Modifié par Alikain, 06 mars 2010 - 02:31 .

[Feraele]

YohkoOhno wrote...

The hard core RP in games is important for Bioware but as MMORPGs show, maybe 85% of people are more interested in the combat than the story.

This is a minor issue. People probably believe that this is going to be packed to the brim with references to Origins. I'm sure there will be some but I'm betting it's going to be a lot like Mass Effect 2 than anything else--there's not likely going to be a lot of plot navel gazing.

I'm not sure why it is so offensive to some. It sounds like it would be a pain in the ass to make world state importable without also importing a character. So they didn't support it. As for the offense towards the hand-waving factor of the US--keep in mind nobody is forcing people to do this. If you are a purist, don't do it.

I don't think I need to be TOLD not to do it..I will probably not use the Orlesian..because far as I am concerned they have nothing whatsoever to do with my origins stories.    I will NOT play a dead warden either.

I don't have to be told what choices I have left to me..I already know...but thanks for your...wisdom.

Far far better to be someone who only plays the game once, screams that they did the Ultimate Sacrifice..gets catered to..and then tosses the game aside for some shooter instead..right?

As opposed to someone like me who believes that storylines should shy away from plot holes as much as possible.... and has played through to the finish multiple times.  

Oh well!!    Roleplay is dying...I guess.

Anyways...I still think instead of the 19 days of silence, "someone" could have placed a bioware comment in one of these threads to inform us, instead of allowing us to go on thinking that perhaps there was a chance we were wrong and that the US did have some sort of meaning after all.

[le_cygne]

Again, to those who are new to this thread:



The vast majority of roleplayers don't care that you can resurrect your dead warden. We won't be doing it ourselves in any event, but we don't care if others do. It's an option there for those who might want it, and that's fine. If it means that someone who's never played a CRPG before and wants to continue his character has the opportunity, then that's nifty.



What we want to do is to continue a sacrificed character's story without destroying the continuity of the world. (Speaking personally, my "main" character and the two others that I'm most interested in have all survived for various reasons, but that doesn't mean players or characters who took the heroic option should be screwed. Indeed, if there's a group of players who should be rewarded from a story standpoint, it's those who sacrificed their characters to make a difference in the world and preserve people or values they assessed as more important than themselves.)



I will say that this omission is my one major complaint about Awakening, but that I do appreciate the designers at least acknowledging it, and the reasons behind the decision, tonight. Frankness really is the best option, guys, especially with your core audience.

[Rama_88]

They didnt answer before because they didnt want to lose sales.



Also Alikain i would like to continue my game but there isnt another ending i like very much. Having a child with Morrigan was never an option since the entire thing is too fishy and probably wont come out good for Fereldon in the long run; letting Alistair die wasnt an option since i wanted him to be king; letting Loghain do it and being remembered as a hero after all he did wasnt an option either.



What can i say, i like to follow a good story, though i can play a game with a bad story with no problem but if iam giving the option to do something and later they say that what i did never happened and what not is not my thing, i hope you guys like it and all, and i would like to enjoy it too, but how Bioware did things this time is just not my style.

[YohkoOhno]

I don't think I need to be TOLD not to do it..I will probably not use the Orlesian..because far as I am concerned they have nothing whatsoever to do with my origins stories.    I will NOT play a dead warden either.

I don't have to be told what choices I have left to me..I already know...but thanks for your...wisdom.

Well, you may not want to be told, but as long as you want to participate on a message board, expect to get comments, regardless of if you want them or not.

Far far better to be someone who only plays the game once, screams that they did the Ultimate Sacrifice..gets catered to..and then tosses the game aside for some shooter instead..right?

As opposed to someone like me who believes that storylines should shy away from plot holes as much as possible.... and has played through to the finish multiple times.  

Oh well!!    Roleplay is dying...I guess.

Why do you want to punish the people who made the US.  This "roleplay is dying" is you being a huge drama queen about the issue.  From what I see, RP is very important to this game.  You are still focusing on a minor issue rather than the whole thing.  Should they have delayed Awakenings to please you and miss their numbers quota?  Remember, this is still a business, and they have release timeframes to maintain.

[Shady314]

YohkoOhno wrote...  Should they have delayed Awakenings to please you and miss their numbers quota?  Remember, this is still a business, and they have release timeframes to maintain.

As consumers that is not something that we should ever give a **** about. Our concerns are not the companies concerns. The company will look after itself just fine. Consumers should always voice their concerns and complaints no matter how shrill. The company will do with it what they will.

[BloodyMangus]

Rama_88, would you rather have, a shorter expansion with less spells, items, new enemies and quests just for the sake of a few dialogue options from some npcs claiming what the dead warden did and how good/bad he was compared to the new one.



I am not saying your complaint is misplaced but as other people have already stated that this is just an expansion and not a full new game, meaning bioware had less resources to work with. In my opinion bioware put whatever resources they had into good use by improving and adding even more to DA's already incredible gameplay experience.

[YohkoOhno]

Shady314 wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...  Should they have delayed Awakenings to please you and miss their numbers quota?  Remember, this is still a business, and they have release timeframes to maintain.

As consumers that is not something that we should ever give a **** about. Our concerns are not the companies concerns. The company will look after itself just fine. Consumers should always voice their concerns and complaints no matter how shrill. The company will do with it what they will.

Of course.  But at the same time they need to hear from everybody.  And what some of us try to do is make people understand the issues.  And at the same time, customers should also be aware that sometimes compromise is necessary and that "the customer is not always right".  

[Thalorin1919]

I've done all the endings through all of my playthroughs. And the Ultimate Sacrifice ending was THE best ending. That was the only ending that brought out true emotion in me, and put a lump in my throat. I just HATE to see all that thrown away, by seeing my Grey Warden just magically coming back alive. He made a sacrifice for the greater good and great glory, I dont want that to be tarnished by him magically coming back alive.



I understand this is an expansion, and I'm not expecting that much. I dont understand why at the beginning they cant talk about my Warden for like two minutes. Basically, what two things? Big statue of my warden in front of the keep, whoever you chose as the Ferelden ruler, and breifly mentioning your GW to the Orlesian GW. It truly cant be that hard.



Bioware - You created one of the most epic endings to a game when you put together the Ultimate Sacrifice. For the sake of this game, I dont know why you shouldnt put those things in there. I will still be buying it either way, and I'm still excited for it. But I will be taking my time to get to gamestop then rushing there and back home to play it persay.

[Shady314]

YohkoOhno wrote...
Of course.  But at the same time they need to hear from everybody.  And what some of us try to do is make people understand the issues.  And at the same time, customers should also be aware that sometimes compromise is necessary and that "the customer is not always right".  

That's Bioware's job. You can't make anyone understand the issues because you don't truly know the issues anymore than I do. Only Bioware does and they have people paid to deal with it.

The customer is pretty much always wrong but it's definitely not other customers job to tell them that. Let Bio handle it.

[Thalorin1919]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

I've done all the endings through all of my playthroughs. And the Ultimate Sacrifice ending was THE best ending. That was the only ending that brought out true emotion in me, and put a lump in my throat. I just HATE to see all that thrown away, by seeing my Grey Warden just magically coming back alive. He made a sacrifice for the greater good and great glory, I dont want that to be tarnished by him magically coming back alive.

I understand this is an expansion, and I'm not expecting that much. I dont understand why at the beginning they cant talk about my Warden for like two minutes. Basically, what three things? Big statue of my warden in front of the keep, whoever you chose as the Ferelden ruler, and breifly mentioning your GW to the Orlesian GW. It truly cant be that hard.

Bioware - You created one of the most epic endings to a game when you put together the Ultimate Sacrifice. For the sake of this game, I dont know why you shouldnt put those things in there. I will still be buying it either way, and I'm still excited for it. But I will be taking my time to get to gamestop then rushing there and back home to play it persay.