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[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh but for f'cks' sake! If you people hate the idea of your warden being "resurrected", then for the love of GOD don't import him! Is it really that hard? Is it too much of a strain for you people to just not use that option, and let people who actually WANT to play their dead warden use it? Seriously... See what you did? You made me use f-word....

[fthg42]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Oh but for f'cks' sake! If you people hate the idea of your warden being "resurrected", then for the love of GOD don't import him! Is it really that hard? Is it too much of a strain for you people to just not use that option, and let people who actually WANT to play their dead warden use it? Seriously... See what you did? You made me use f-word....

For the umpteenth time, NOBODY is begrudging you the option to resurrect your dead Warden.  NOBODY is arguing that that option shouldn't belong in the game.  What people are talking about and upset about is the lack of an ALTERNATIVE option.  This does NOT affect you at all.  So please don't go flying off the handle about it.

Modifié par fthg42, 06 mars 2010 - 03:45 .

[Rama_88]

BloodyMangus wrote...

Rama_88, would you rather have, a shorter expansion with less spells, items, new enemies and quests just for the sake of a few dialogue options from some npcs claiming what the dead warden did and how good/bad he was compared to the new one.

I am not saying your complaint is misplaced but as other people have already stated that this is just an expansion and not a full new game, meaning bioware had less resources to work with. In my opinion bioware put whatever resources they had into good use by improving and adding even more to DA's already incredible gameplay experience.

Iam not asking for an epic development continuity in the US ending, iam not asking for everyone to remember every thing your old hero did, iam not asking for a statue, i just would want the main things of the main world, like who i named king, etc to be imported in the game so i keep playing in "my world" with the Orlisian Warden.
But to answer your question YES, i would indeed prefer a shorter expansion in every way to have what i just stated, i would prefer waiting till 2012 if they needed the time. But things turned out this way so it is too late anyway.

Modifié par Rama_88, 06 mars 2010 - 05:32 .

[ztonkin]

Well, I'm currently writing a short story trying to create a reason that the "dead" Warden is playable. It involves an underground group based in the Free Marches called The Nelegata (Romanion for "Unbound") resurrecting you 'cause you're too valuable to lose. I think the whole thing covers the gaping plot hole rather nicely.

[Thaddeus Mynor]

IGN just released a two page preview on awakening. No mention of continuity regarding the US warden or starting a new warden.



and you know, sure this is an expansion. but it's a $40 expansion, which is 2/3 of a real game, and for that much money they really should have included carry over with your choices as the US warden. They are already continuing choices over if you import your live or reanimated warden, for such an expensive expansion, why couldn't they carry over your choices for US turned Orlisian Warden?



I mean really, Bioware, DA:O was successful. you made money. you're not a small independent company. $40 is worth a little extra content, no?

[JamieCOTC]

A rather odd choice. I suppose being able to play a dead Warden in Awakenings is rather like having your cake, but only able to eat one slice. You get to keep the character, but no choices he or she made. I can understand it as a compromise, but still, it's odd. I won't be playing a dead Warden, so it doesn't matter to me.

[Thaddeus Mynor]

p.s. I would love to be able to Import My Dark Ritual Warden, but not play as him. Have my choices carry over, and then play as the Orlisian Warden. I just think it would be awesome to interact with your old awesome character as a new character.



(Like in Modern Warfare 2, you're a new character working along side your old character.)



But mainly I would want more than anything for your choices to carry over for the Orlisian Warden. He deserves it as a character, otherwise why would I play as him if its going to undermine the 50+ hours i poured into Dragon Age?

[sporky1]

TheMadCat wrote...

The way I read it is if you import your dead Warden didn't do the Ultimate Sacrifice and instead a more canonical route is setup. So in reality it's simply you have the option to import your character, it's just that the ultimate sacrifice won't be recognized as the choice you made, and I have no problem with that at all. Death still has meaning, if you want that to be a characters story then make it so by starting up the Orlesian Grey Warden. I don't really see any foul here.

I am more concerned about the fact that if your warden did die, and you choose to go with the orlesian because of it, all the important choices u made are basically ignored. So, Alistar may be king instead of Anora, etc. Sounds stupid to me.

[wikkedjoker]

Yeah choice is nice and all, but the REAL story
plot says you OR another Warden had sex with Morrigan and had a child.

Not as open ended as we like but meh, when you have to go from one point in such a short time thats what you get.

[yeldarbnotned]

Thaddeus Mynor wrote...

p.s. I would love to be able to Import My Dark Ritual Warden, but not play as him. Have my choices carry over, and then play as the Orlisian Warden. I just think it would be awesome to interact with your old awesome character as a new character.

(Like in Modern Warfare 2, you're a new character working along side your old character.)

But mainly I would want more than anything for your choices to carry over for the Orlisian Warden. He deserves it as a character, otherwise why would I play as him if its going to undermine the 50+ hours i poured into Dragon Age?

Good Point, then maybe have both available for Dragon Age 2.

[cinful13]

did we duscuss necromancy yet? yeah you make the sacrifice but then they just ressuect ou and everyting else yu made choice wise works. at least i hope thats how it goes or is it that when ou make the sacrifice they just bring you back to life and the just replace ur sacrifice with morrigans offer or someone else dying? i just hope my trailer warden mod works without any issues *crosses fingers*

[Rama_88]

Its funny how Fernando explains the US choice here, "we will pretend that didnt happend" and "it is not a particulary elegant solution" were my favourites.

[T1l]

Rama_88 wrote...



Its funny how Fernando explains the US choice here, "we will pretend that didnt happend" and "it is not a particulary elegant solution" were my favourites.

Interesting. Well, for the sake of keeping the forums civil I can understand why Fernando hasn't clarified.

Ultimate Sacrifice? What Ultimate Sacrifice? "That never happened".

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Rama_88 wrote...



Its funny how Fernando explains the US choice here, "we will pretend that didnt happend" and "it is not a particulary elegant solution" were my favourites.

Interesting. Well, for the sake of keeping the forums civil I can understand why Fernando hasn't clarified.

Ultimate Sacrifice? What Ultimate Sacrifice? "That never happened".

Ultimate Sacrifice was a figment of our imaginations..and a nasty rumour.    hehehe   Sorry..my funny bone kicked in.

[Feraele]

YohkoOhno wrote...

I don't think I need to be TOLD not to do it..I will probably not use the Orlesian..because far as I am concerned they have nothing whatsoever to do with my origins stories.    I will NOT play a dead warden either.

I don't have to be told what choices I have left to me..I already know...but thanks for your...wisdom.

Well, you may not want to be told, but as long as you want to participate on a message board, expect to get comments, regardless of if you want them or not.

Far far better to be someone who only plays the game once, screams that they did the Ultimate Sacrifice..gets catered to..and then tosses the game aside for some shooter instead..right?

As opposed to someone like me who believes that storylines should shy away from plot holes as much as possible.... and has played through to the finish multiple times.  

Oh well!!    Roleplay is dying...I guess.

Why do you want to punish the people who made the US.  This "roleplay is dying" is you being a huge drama queen about the issue.  From what I see, RP is very important to this game.  You are still focusing on a minor issue rather than the whole thing.  Should they have delayed Awakenings to please you and miss their numbers quota?  Remember, this is still a business, and they have release timeframes to maintain.

Thats fine..all I am telling you...is I am perfectly aware of my options...NOW...after having gone through 19 days of utter silence from the Devs in regards to this issue.

You coming here, and doing your condescending bit..telling me what I have for choices...doesn't help matters.    I have no idea what the hell you are yattering about..."punish people who made the US"????????

Our whole conversation in ThIS thread has been about options..choices.    But it seems the options choices were left at the doorstep of the non-rpers.

As I have said MANY MANY times....I don't care what the moar ubers do...fine by me if they resurrect their dead and play the rest of the game that way...thats THEIR STORY...and it doesn't affect me.

Where it DOES affect me...is that is the ONLY option.     It means no matter what I do...that Ultimate Sacrifice is ignored.   It means that Ultimate Sacrifice should never have been a story ending option, as it doesn't do anything...other than kill your warden, and deny that the US ever existed in the first place.

So 80 hours of wasted time played......

If you start the Orlesian warden, you have no prior history..no prior conversation...no prior anything.

Just whoop..voila...you are an Orlesian warden..suddenly taking over recruiting and not fathoming at all that your predecessor sacrificed their life by killing the Archdemon...and thereby allowing YOU as the Orlesian to take up command. 

That link is not made.   THAT is the plot hole.    That is what the Devs refused to answer for 19 days....WHY?   Because, they were afraid they were going to lose sales?   Possibly.

I just love how people jump into this thread..and assume that THEY know better.   First off, to "know better" you have to have some empathy....I am not seeing any empathy in some of these responses.

But anyway...there are enough folks who have posted their concerns in this thread,  to validate the concern.   The Devs ignored it.

Thats fine. 

Just don't come here telling us what our non-options are.   Not appreciated.

[Feraele]

@ Mavi



Hehehe *thinks about it* hmmm I AM KIDDING.

[YohkoOhno]

Feraele wrote...

Thats fine..all I am telling you...is I am perfectly aware of my options...NOW...after having gone through 19 days of utter silence from the Devs in regards to this issue.

You coming here, and doing your condescending bit..telling me what I have for choices...doesn't help matters.    I have no idea what the hell you are yattering about..."punish people who made the US"????????

Well, you seem to have a lot of contempt for people who aren't as hard-core RP as you are.  I'll explain it again.  A person might have decided to play the Ultimate Sacrifice, and that was the only time he played.  He doesn't come to the Bioware message boards, knows nothing of the community.  Then he finds out an expansion has been made.  So he then decides to change his mind.  THAT is why they did it.

Where it DOES affect me...is that is the ONLY option.     It means no matter what I do...that Ultimate Sacrifice is ignored.   It means that Ultimate Sacrifice should never have been a story ending option, as it doesn't do anything...other than kill your warden, and deny that the US ever existed in the first place.

So 80 hours of wasted time played......

Well, there are a few things you should remember.

It's not up to you to decide that US should "not be an option".  Because there are people who play only that game, and that allows the people who only will play that game to have a tragic ending they want.  The only reason you don't want an Ultimate Sacrifice ending is because it upsets your sense of continutity.  You do realize that computer RPGs are still very limited.  

It sounds like they tried to do this but couldn't invest the time.  So, they can't always deliver certain options. 

Besides, like David Gaider said, they never promised to have a persistant world system--Dragon Age 2 might feature whole new characters.

Just don't come here telling us what our non-options are.   Not appreciated.

You have to accept other people's opinions if you want to participate on a message board.  If you just want to gripe without any debate or argument, do it on a blog and shut comments off.  

You are being overly dramatic when you make statements like "80 hours of play wasted", or your contempt for others.  Well, did you have fun while playing it?  If so, don't gripe about it "being wasted".  I hate when people complain that's "x hours of my life I'll never get back".  It seems so stupid to complain about.

In short, don't start a thread and then not expect people to call you out on logic flaws and misunderstandings.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 06 mars 2010 - 10:27 .

[Feraele]

[quote]YohkoOhno wrote...



*snip*


I have no "contempt" for how people play their game...be it rp style or not.   What I have contempt for is lack of choices.......get it now?

The only people who have ANY kind of choice in the US ending are the non-rpers.     That clear now?

[Feraele]

And..I am done repeating over and over to those that refuse to understand ANYTHING about this issue...if they are reading challenged well...thats not my problem is it?



End of line.

[tomas819]

It seems really strange to me that the devs would permit story continuity for all of the other game endings but not the US one.

For my money, I'd have been happy if my US "dead" warden would just "wake up"  in some tomb somewhere, with no explanation given as to why he survived his encounter with the Archdemon (just like Dean crawling out of the grave in the show "Supernatural").

I can then use my imagination to provide an explanation -- maybe something happened to him in the Fade or elsewhere that gave him a "Get Out of Death Free" card or some kind of Archdemon immunity or something. Or maybe Flemeth "mojoed"  him with Archdemon vaccine when she rescues him at the beginning of the game. Or maybe that potion he drank in Avernus' lab was more potent than he first thought. Whatever. As a player, I can be pretty creative. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

In any case, for Bioware to, in effect, ignore a perfectly legitimate game finale (in my opinion, the US was the best DA:O finale available) is really quite lame. The problem could be resolved, it seems to me, fairly easily with a bit of added text and a bit of creativity, with perhaps a couple of lines of "And here I thought you were dead!" from Alistair/Anora and Oghren thrown in for good measure. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png

Modifié par tomas819, 06 mars 2010 - 10:58 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Feraele wrote...

And..I am done repeating over and over to those that refuse to understand ANYTHING about this issue...if they are reading challenged well...thats not my problem is it?

End of line.

Stanley Woo would be proud.