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[Monica21]

Feraele wrote...

To add to that...it makes it so, if people want to continue to play their Warden through to Awakening, they'll never choose the Ultimate Sacrifice, because there is no continuity in the story for doing it. No honourable mention, no statue, no entombment in Weishopt.

Whats the point of the Ultimate Sacrifice ..except for the Achievement? No point at all.

That constitutes a plot hole...doesn't it?

How so? If you want your dead Warden to stay dead, start a new character. The mechanics are there for it. And I haven't seen any mention of how the dead Warden will be treated, so what's with the speculation?

[Korvayer]

I'm hoping to be able to import my dead character's data AND play as a new Orlesian Grey Warden. Then, whenever NPC's refer to an event that I, the player, set in motion in the first game, they'll specify it with "The Great Warden" instead of "you."

In this way, my plot-affecting decisions from the first game would still carry over to my new character's story. It's an ingenious plothole-filling mechanic, really. Trying to live up to the heroics of my previous character would be a lot of fun.

Maria Caliban wrote...

No. If your PC is dead, you can import them and play them. You can't import your games choices and play the Orlesian Warden though.

Are you sure?

Maviarab wrote...

That also suggestt to me, just like ME2, you dont need DAO to play Awakenings...would love some confirmation of this (would also make great sense as to why dlc cant be imported)

You need DA:O to play Awakenings -- at least, according to Gamestop's pre-order page.

Modifié par Korvayer, 14 février 2010 - 04:15 .

[Azure Zero]

Maybe we will get lucky and the FAQ for this particular question is poorly answered and that it includes the cheap option for the new generation gamers that would hand -waive it, and the option to import decisions to the new orlesian for those that actually know what an rpg is...probably not likely..but maybe...

If not maybe the orlesian warden is there to be the logical choice to play, just about nothing carries over so it will be like playing a short DA and not an expansion.

Does anybody know if the new Orlesian Grey Warden player character is
treated as the one who defeated the fifth Archdemon, or if he/she's
just some new kid on the block?

You were sent to rebuild the Grey Wardens of Ferelden. So new kid in town analogy.

Modifié par Azure Zero, 14 février 2010 - 04:15 .

[Monica21]

Maviarab wrote...

Monica...your a babe...but:

They are retconning it, because it if you 'fon't import that character...its like you never even 'played' that character....nothing of twhat you did in that play through matters in Awakenings....

We're not going to agree about this (and thanks ;-) ), but if you want your Warden to stay dead, why would you import that character? The reference in the FAQ is to importing a dead character, not starting a new one.

[SwordsmanofShadow]

Monica21 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Monica...your a babe...but:

They are retconning it, because it if you 'fon't import that character...its like you never even 'played' that character....nothing of twhat you did in that play through matters in Awakenings....

We're not going to agree about this (and thanks ;-) ), but if you want your Warden to stay dead, why would you import that character? The reference in the FAQ is to importing a dead character, not starting a new one.

What Mav is talking about is importing your decisions, not so much your character. Meaning if you want your Warden to have made the sacrifice, and continue to play Awakening, you'll be forced into a predetemined storyline, not one were you decided what happened.

[Azure Zero]

Monica21 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Monica...your a babe...but:

They are retconning it, because it if you 'fon't import that character...its like you never even 'played' that character....nothing of twhat you did in that play through matters in Awakenings....

We're not going to agree about this (and thanks ;-) ), but if you want your Warden to stay dead, why would you import that character? The reference in the FAQ is to importing a dead character, not starting a new one.

You are missing the point, they want to import the choices they made and possibly have references to their previous character's sacrifice and heroism in awakening while playing as the Orlesian warden. Not importing their dead warden to play that char again.

[Dethanos]

Where is everyone getting the info that the "Ultimate Sacrifice" storyline can't be carried through with the Orlesian warden? The FAQ says you can import and play the dead warden if you want, but I have not seen anything that rules out leaving them dead and playing the Orlesian warden.

[Azure Zero]

Dethanos wrote...

Where is everyone getting the info that the "Ultimate Sacrifice" storyline can't be carried through with the Orlesian warden? The FAQ says you can import and play the dead warden if you want, but I have not seen anything that rules out leaving them dead and playing the Orlesian warden.

This is why I made the comment earlier that maybe just maybe, that FAQ question was poorly answered. But as rushed as awakening looks after that FAQ got posted...

Modifié par Azure Zero, 14 février 2010 - 04:23 .

[Monica21]

SwordsmanofShadow wrote...
What Mav is talking about is importing your decisions, not so much your character. Meaning if you want your Warden to have made the sacrifice, and continue to play Awakening, you'll be forced into a predetemined storyline, not one were you decided what happened.

I understand what he's talking about, but I still claim that the FAQ doesn't specify that "for the story it's assumed that they didn't make the ultimate sacrifice, instead somehow survived" is true across all playthroughs. It's only mentioned in the part about importing a dead character, not the storyline as a whole.

Maybe I don't have a problem with this because I expected it. A company can only allow for so many endings. The Dark Ritual wouldn't be there if it wasn't going to matter at some point, so even if your character didn't do it, we'll see the results of it later on. I expected one canon ending, because if you don't have that then every game becomes an expansion (meaning every game will rely on Origins so that it knows what your choices are). There's no realistic way to account for all possible endings in future games.

[Feraele]

Monica21 wrote...

Feraele wrote...

To add to that...it makes it so, if people want to continue to play their Warden through to Awakening, they'll never choose the Ultimate Sacrifice, because there is no continuity in the story for doing it. No honourable mention, no statue, no entombment in Weishopt.

Whats the point of the Ultimate Sacrifice ..except for the Achievement? No point at all.

That constitutes a plot hole...doesn't it?

How so? If you want your dead Warden to stay dead, start a new character. The mechanics are there for it. And I haven't seen any mention of how the dead Warden will be treated, so what's with the speculation?

IN THE EPILOGUE it states...they had a funeral for you.    The King (Alistair) erects a BIG statue for you at the new Warden's keep...Vigil's keep.  

How does that follow through if somehow you survived.  Originally we were told that ...we would import the dead warden, the choice made would follow through into Awakening.

Now ..it seems that the Ultimate Sacrifice was useless, dishonourable..and totally pointless.

We were told that you could import your dead warden and then start the new Orlesian grey warden.   What I am objecting to is....there will be no reference to your US if you create the new Orlesian ..or if you import your supposedly dead warden.

So that choice and storyline are taken from us.

Either we import and play a zombie warden..miraculously come back from being entombed at Weishopt...or we delete that run-through entirely because it MEANS NOTHING IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF HOW WE PLAYED THAT run-through.

I am NOT okay with reviving my dead warden...the story was supposed to commemorate her self-sacrifice...instead its pretending she never existed at all.........

[Monica21]

Azure Zero wrote...
You are missing the point, they want to import the choices they made and possibly have references to their previous character's sacrifice and heroism in awakening while playing as the Orlesian warden. Not importing their dead warden to play that char again.

No, I really do get the ****ing point.

What I'm saying (and you're missing) is that there is no mention of what the in-game references will be if you start a new character, but there's wailing and gnashing of teeth because everyone decided speculation was on the menu today.

[Monica21]

Feraele wrote...
IN THE EPILOGUE it states...they had a funeral for you.    The King (Alistair) erects a BIG statue for you at the new Warden's keep...Vigil's keep.  

How does that follow through if somehow you survived.  Originally we were told that ...we would import the dead warden, the choice made would follow through into Awakening.

Now ..it seems that the Ultimate Sacrifice was useless, dishonourable..and totally pointless.

We were told that you could import your dead warden and then start the new Orlesian grey warden.   What I am objecting to is....there will be no reference to your US if you create the new Orlesian ..or if you import your supposedly dead warden.

So that choice and storyline are taken from us.

Either we import and play a zombie warden..miraculously come back from being entombed at Weishopt...or we delete that run-through entirely because it MEANS NOTHING IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF HOW WE PLAYED THAT run-through.

I am NOT okay with reviving my dead warden...the story was supposed to commemorate her self-sacrifice...instead its pretending she never existed at all.........

Oh, for ****'s sake. :headdesk: How do you know there will be no reference if you start a new character?

Bye.

[_Infiltrator]

Sounds really stupid. I guess it's a good thing I made the dark pact... provided I buy awakening in the first place.

Modifié par Infiltrator, 14 février 2010 - 04:33 .

[Feraele]

Monica21 wrote...

Feraele wrote...
IN THE EPILOGUE it states...they had a funeral for you.    The King (Alistair) erects a BIG statue for you at the new Warden's keep...Vigil's keep.  

How does that follow through if somehow you survived.  Originally we were told that ...we would import the dead warden, the choice made would follow through into Awakening.

Now ..it seems that the Ultimate Sacrifice was useless, dishonourable..and totally pointless.

We were told that you could import your dead warden and then start the new Orlesian grey warden.   What I am objecting to is....there will be no reference to your US if you create the new Orlesian ..or if you import your supposedly dead warden.

So that choice and storyline are taken from us.

Either we import and play a zombie warden..miraculously come back from being entombed at Weishopt...or we delete that run-through entirely because it MEANS NOTHING IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF HOW WE PLAYED THAT run-through.

I am NOT okay with reviving my dead warden...the story was supposed to commemorate her self-sacrifice...instead its pretending she never existed at all.........

Oh, for ****'s sake. :headdesk: How do you know there will be no reference if you start a new character?

Bye.

Bye see ya. ^^

[Monica21]

Maviarab wrote...

Monica...

because a dev stated this lol...

Edit:

And your more than welcome hehe

Quote please.

[Azure Zero]

Monica21 wrote...

Azure Zero wrote...
You are missing the point, they want to import the choices they made and possibly have references to their previous character's sacrifice and heroism in awakening while playing as the Orlesian warden. Not importing their dead warden to play that char again.

No, I really do get the ****ing point.

What I'm saying (and you're missing) is that there is no mention of what the in-game references will be if you start a new character, but there's wailing and gnashing of teeth because everyone decided speculation was on the menu today.

If you start as the  new orlesian  character and it doesn't give you the option to import your "US" ending choices then the only references will be for a generic canon ending that they set forth. Which ultimately makes the entire US ending pointless. THAT is what people are irritated about.

Modifié par Azure Zero, 14 février 2010 - 04:38 .

[VanDraegon]

Most ridiculous complaint thread ever.

[Lord_Darkmoon]

I think most people simply don't get why people whose hero in DAO made the ultimate sacrifice want to be able to import the dead character.
We want to have our decisions reflected in the game. By importing a character who didn't make the ultimate sacrifice, his decisions carry over to Awakening and are somehow reflected (e.g. if Loghain lives, if Alistair became king etc.).
But when you want to continue the story after the hero made the ultimate sacrifice you can only create a new character and you will not have your decisions reflected in the addon. So if I made Alistair king and killed Loghain I will meet them both in Awakening? This destroys the immersion of the game as everything I did in DAO was for naught. It never happened. Great!

The only choice I have is to reload a savegame and maybe accept Morrigans offer so that my hero is still alive to carry him over to Awakening. I never wanted to accept Morrigans offer. So I am forced to play the way I never would have which totally destroys the whole "ROLEPLAYING" aspect of the game.

And I really don't understand the problem Bioware is having. Let us import the savegame with a dead warden and have the game recognize that he is dead and tell us to create a new hero before starting the game. The choices could still be carried over as with importing a living warden...

Modifié par Lord_Darkmoon, 14 février 2010 - 04:40 .

[Feraele]

Maviarab wrote...

If I can find it Ill glady quote it for you....but dont hold breath...

The dev quote saying we could import and then start as new warden and what we did in that sacrifice run matters seems to have 'mysteriously vanished'....

*looking now*.....

They may have removed it..it was originally in a blue bioware taggie on the thread that mentioned the Awakening expansion.   Might have been Ferret that mentioned it.