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[Feraele]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

EA saw it was not a sequel, so it told Bio to hurry it up. Simple as that.

EA may well have had something to do with it..but we as consumers will never get to know that    hehe

[Onyx Jaguar]

Oh we'll know. We found out about ET's development, once someone is let go they spill the beans.

People love talking about development experiences

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 14 mars 2010 - 05:06 .

[Tashakov]

Ugh... Brain hurts... Read all 42 pages in one sitting...



Anyway, on to my extremely derivitive and repetitive response! Everything I say has probably been said before in here!



Bioware really made a mistake on this. I really should have used the money to get the new Final Fantasy, but I figured this would be better, seeing how I love DA:O so much.



Boy, was I wrong!



All of the things I loved about DA:O are pretty much gone in Awakening. No Leliana, not that big of a deal; she could be off doing other things, right? No new romances. Er... okay, there goes my way of coping without her. No old romances carrying over. Really? Salt on the open wound? The final straw had to be this. I LOVED the US ending. It was so gut-wrenching for my Elven Mage playthrough. I felt so emotionally attached to it, and that rarely happens for me. I was really excited when this was announced with the idea of an Orlesian Warden taking over her shoes, and really saved the game for me. Now, there is really nothing left. I just found out about this, and it's too late to cancel my preorder. Already shipped (of course, the ONE TIME I spring for release date shipping...). I have loved every single one of Bioware's games, but I think the high praise they have recieved from their latest titles is making them a bit slack-handed in their development. All I can do now is hope that Bioware pulls of a miracle and makes me fall in love with what is actually in the expansion...



And as a personal note; Feraele, you must be some sort of patience god . After who knows how many pages of correcting people, you still haven't killed anyone... that we know of. Anyway, good work on keeping your cool!

[Booglarize]

I asked this in another thread, but it appears to be dying so I'll ask it here...



I still don't understand why resurrecting your Warden is an option to begin with. I don't spend that much time on these forums so maybe I missed it, but was there really some vast movement of people who sacrificed their character and still expected to be able to carry on with that same character?

[BloodyMangus]

Booglarize wrote...

I asked this in another thread, but it appears to be dying so I'll ask it here...

I still don't understand why resurrecting your Warden is an option to begin with. I don't spend that much time on these forums so maybe I missed it, but was there really some vast movement of people who sacrificed their character and still expected to be able to carry on with that same character?

Not excately. People want the decisions that they made with their dead warden carry on when they start
as the new warden from Orlay.

[Onyx Jaguar]

BloodyMangus wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

I asked this in another thread, but it appears to be dying so I'll ask it here...

I still don't understand why resurrecting your Warden is an option to begin with. I don't spend that much time on these forums so maybe I missed it, but was there really some vast movement of people who sacrificed their character and still expected to be able to carry on with that same character?

Not excately. People want the decisions that they made with their dead warden carry on when they start
as the new warden from Orlay.

Actually I would be curious.  I was only on the forums really when DA first came out and didn't return till Jan I think so I wonder if some actually wanted to continue on with the dead warden if the did the US ending, but I don't see many that seem in favor of continuing on with that character...  

[TheMadCat]

Booglarize wrote...

I asked this in another thread, but it appears to be dying so I'll ask it here...

I still don't understand why resurrecting your Warden is an option to begin with. I don't spend that much time on these forums so maybe I missed it, but was there really some vast movement of people who sacrificed their character and still expected to be able to carry on with that same character?

Don't really know why it's an option, the vibe I got from the Awakening FAQ is Bioware was looking for a way to do something with the dead warden but eventually said it and did it the lazy way. No one was really asking for their dead warden to stay alive as far as I remember, there was some of us speculating that they may do some resurrection type scenario but that's about as far as it went. But I mean, it's not even a resurrection scenario in the story from what I've heard, rather it's just they simply didn't die even though they did. 

[Booglarize]

BloodyMangus wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

I asked this in another thread, but it appears to be dying so I'll ask it here...

I still don't understand why resurrecting your Warden is an option to begin with. I don't spend that much time on these forums so maybe I missed it, but was there really some vast movement of people who sacrificed their character and still expected to be able to carry on with that same character?

Not excately. People want the decisions that they made with their dead warden carry on when they start
as the new warden from Orlay.

Well yes, I get that, and I completely agree with it. I was just wondering what it was that prompted the decision to force the player to either resurrect a dead Warden (or play with an Orlesian Warden from an alternate reality) in the first place. 

Were there any people who actually wanted this?

[ShadowCatJen]

Booglarize wrote...

BloodyMangus wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

I asked this in another thread, but it appears to be dying so I'll ask it here...

I still don't understand why resurrecting your Warden is an option to begin with. I don't spend that much time on these forums so maybe I missed it, but was there really some vast movement of people who sacrificed their character and still expected to be able to carry on with that same character?

Not excately. People want the decisions that they made with their dead warden carry on when they start
as the new warden from Orlay.

Well yes, I get that, and I completely agree with it. I was just wondering what it was that prompted the decision to force the player to either resurrect a dead Warden (or play with an Orlesian Warden from an alternate reality) in the first place. 

Were there any people who actually wanted this?

Not exactly. However, there were quite a few people who said when they first heard about the expansion months ago:

"I had my Warden do the Ultimate Sacrifice. Will I be able to port her file into the expansion?"

It was the greatest worry at the time. The answer from Bioware was a resounding "yes" and that calmed the masses at the time.

The issue is that the Ultimate Sacrifice won't be acknowledged in-game. It's a big continuity hole that is a bit hard to swallow.

My take is that for a $40 expansion (on the shelf for sale today at my local Target for $49.99, which I wasn't about to pay) you would think that they would have compensated for all the possible endings in the sort of sensible manner that we've come to expect from Bioware in the past. EA, though, is not used to divisions coming out with expansions for their games. They are especially unfamiliar with expansion packs for the CRPG category and honestly really don't know what the bleep they are doing.

They have slapped on deadlines and want Bioware to be a money maker for them by forcing the expansions and games out. This severe lack of quality that we've been seeing from Bioware has more to do with them being pushed into releases then it is them being unable to come up with a reasonable solution.

I am certain that if they were given even just a month more of time, they would have covered far more on the file porting end. Which is why I would ask for the community here to give the Bioware folks a bit of a break. They get enough pressure from their bosses to produce that this sort of lambasting isn't going to encourage the crew one bit.

If you really want to send in a complaint about it, start shooting them directly to EA distribution and accounting divisions. Tell them to back the bleep off and allow Bioware to create a quality product that will be worth the 40 dollar price tag that they are asking for. If not then they will drive Bioware into the ground the same way they did Origin (makers of the Ultima series).

Until then you can go back and forth here until you're blue in the face about how bad a job they are doing. Passion for something is all well and fine, but don't cut off the creator's nose because it wasn't exactly what you were expecting. They're doing the best they can in the situation they are in.

[DreGregoire]

I feel like all my hard work as my grey warden is for not. I mean to spend hours on a hero that I can't even have acknowledged in an expansion is very upsetting. He sacrificed himself. Heh.



I actually don't understand why the expansion is played from the post campaign save why isn't there an endgame save to? *sigh* I can understand dlc being played from the post campaign, so that you can enjoy that. The lack of the use of an end game save is very frusterating to me. Although I did play through as a new grey warden to enjoy the expansion, I did feel let down by the lack of acknowledgement of an actual hero and not just a generic one.

[Ziggeh]

Ah hell, 42 pages? My indignation is going to be lost in an ocean. Still, I'm frustrated enough to make it and to pretend it's an original point having only read 3 pages.



Both available play options for those who did the Ulitimate faceplant are good, sensible. Being able to "rez" a dude, no questions asked addresses real concerns about character attachment and I applaud it's addition to the game. It's impressive when productions respond to feedback in such a way.



So if I wish I can play the character I played before, but, and this is really crucial, I cannot play the -story- I played before. Surely we can see how important that would be when continuing with an interactive story? I'm stunned that this isn't an option, amazed.



I appreciate that this might be asking to eat the cake should cake be provided, but of the two options Bio could have gone with for continuing the story of the deceased warden, the one that isn't a continuation of what's gone before is the only one available? That's remarkably frustrating, because it looked like such a nice cake. Delicious and indeed moist.

[Haexpane]

Maria Caliban wrote...

How utterly stupid.

 

Yes your trolling is stupid.

[Feraele]

adrianlocke647 wrote...

Ugh... Brain hurts... Read all 42 pages in one sitting...

Anyway, on to my extremely derivitive and repetitive response! Everything I say has probably been said before in here!

Bioware really made a mistake on this. I really should have used the money to get the new Final Fantasy, but I figured this would be better, seeing how I love DA:O so much.

Boy, was I wrong!

All of the things I loved about DA:O are pretty much gone in Awakening. No Leliana, not that big of a deal; she could be off doing other things, right? No new romances. Er... okay, there goes my way of coping without her. No old romances carrying over. Really? Salt on the open wound? The final straw had to be this. I LOVED the US ending. It was so gut-wrenching for my Elven Mage playthrough. I felt so emotionally attached to it, and that rarely happens for me. I was really excited when this was announced with the idea of an Orlesian Warden taking over her shoes, and really saved the game for me. Now, there is really nothing left. I just found out about this, and it's too late to cancel my preorder. Already shipped (of course, the ONE TIME I spring for release date shipping...). I have loved every single one of Bioware's games, but I think the high praise they have recieved from their latest titles is making them a bit slack-handed in their development. All I can do now is hope that Bioware pulls of a miracle and makes me fall in love with what is actually in the expansion...

And as a personal note; Feraele, you must be some sort of patience god . After who knows how many pages of correcting people, you still haven't killed anyone... that we know of. Anyway, good work on keeping your cool!

Oh my goodness thank you hehe..I've actually given up on this thread,  was curious as to why it got revived.

[Feraele]

Haexpane wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

How utterly stupid.

 

Yes your trolling is stupid.

Methinks the thread starter cannot in this case be classed as a troll,  Maria had some valid points,  and there are alot of people who posted in this thread that agreed with Maria.

You..on the other hand ..have not read about any of the issues stated here, instead you thought you'd put your little trollish remark on the thread because...thats so cool ya know      Not.

[jtdragon100]

it annoyed me to

[Eledran]

I take it if you import your dead character it creates a scenario as if you weren't dead, which makes sense, because you can't play as a dead guy.

They obviously did this to allow people to import their character even if they made that choice in the end and not force them to go through several hours to redo their decisions.



Quit complaining, if you want your character to be dead, you shouldn't expect to play as him/her in the first place, just create an Orlesian.

[AuraofMana]

The death does have meaning, you can choose not to import your dead Warden. It's an option, i.e., it isn't mandatory. You don't have to do it. You don't have to do it. You do not have to do it.

Stop ****ing because you have the option to do something you don't like. By that logic, your existence fits the definition, maybe you should give that up too.

Playing your dead Warden is done for the sake of gameplay. Gameplay > everything else. Ask any decent game devs and they'll tell you that, now stop persisting over this issue. You can't seriously believe people will change the game just for you due to some horrible logic you seem to believe in.

[Feraele]

You get the default that the Devs chose Eledran. I think it was done specifically for those that will only ever play Origins through once..so if you "made a mistake" and did the wrong thing..killing your warden, this way you can "miracle revive" him/her and still play.



As for quit complaining..SOME of us actually play for the roleplay and story aspects...not kill moar mobs.....



You might try reading the first few responses..and ATTEMPTING to understand exactly what the issue was. That is if its within your capabilities.

[Feraele]

AuraofMana wrote...

The death does have meaning, you can choose not to import your dead Warden. It's an option, i.e., it isn't mandatory. You don't have to do it. You don't have to do it. You do not have to do it.
Stop ****ing because you have the option to do something you don't like. By that logic, your existence fits the definition, maybe you should give that up too.
Playing your dead Warden is done for the sake of gameplay. Gameplay > everything else. Ask any decent game devs and they'll tell you that, now stop persisting over this issue. You can't seriously believe people will change the game just for you due to some horrible logic you seem to believe in.

That 83 hours..has no meaning whatsoever...there is no mention whatsoever of your heroic sacrifice to save Ferelden.

Instead of the statue at Vigil's and the burial at Weisshaupt..you get nada, zilch..and if you put Alistair or Anora on the throne..that didnt' happen either.

That 83 hours I played that character..was left out in the ether somewhere, unlike all the other endings..they supposedly had their choices, decisions affect the game world..after the fact.

Ultimate Sacrifice is an empty hole in the story.   There is no continuation, if you play the Orlesian Warden, they have no clue what you did..or that you died.   Period.

I know..I have an Orlesian character.... 

And I will keep explaining this issue..til people start using their brains and actually reading and understanding.

If you don't get it..don't post in this thread...and thus proving to the world..that you don't get it.  

Modifié par Feraele, 23 mars 2010 - 09:27 .

[Feraele]

filaminstrel wrote...

I haven't completed Awakening yet, but it seems like barely anything from the plot of the imported character was actually imported anyway, besides who you made king/queen. Could be wrong, of course, but I have read other posts indicating that this is the case. In any case, if true, it seems like starting a default Orlesian Warden is pretty darn close to how it would be even if they did allow importing a US char onto the Orlesian.

Heh there WAS a thread with Devs/mods posting in it...where it stated that your decisions and or choices would have an effect in Awakening.  Looks like that part of it may not be exactly true, but at the time..it started the controversy here in this thread.   Think it even states in the FAQ.   I'll have a look.

[ModerateOsprey]

I finished my first complete playthrough only a couple of days ago and started awakenings within an hour of that. I do like the gameplay of DA:A, but was sad not see any recognition of the sacrifice. Wouldn't have needed much, even a plaque with a bit of text or a single line of dialogue from an NPC.

Modifié par ModerateOsprey, 23 mars 2010 - 10:39 .

[Haexpane]

Booglarize wrote...

I asked this in another thread, but it appears to be dying so I'll ask it here...

I still don't understand why resurrecting your Warden is an option to begin with. I don't spend that much time on these forums so maybe I missed it, but was there really some vast movement of people who sacrificed their character and still expected to be able to carry on with that same character?

Yes, a large portion of DAO fans are not really big sticklers for the story continuity.  The whole main toon being sac'd at the end to begin with is annoying enough, but it's pretty traditional to expect higher levels in an RPG expansion and allow the player to continue.

Even Fallout 3 did it.   "You died" isn't exactly the the way people want to see their well developed toon end up.

It's one of the reasons people E RAGE about KOTOR 2 so much, at the end you don't get to see the other toons you spent 40 hours building up:wizard:

[Haexpane]

Feraele wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

How utterly stupid.

 

Yes your trolling is stupid.

Methinks the thread starter cannot in this case be classed as a troll,  Maria had some valid points,  and there are alot of people who posted in this thread that agreed with Maria.

You..on the other hand ..have not read about any of the issues stated here, instead you thought you'd put your little trollish remark on the thread because...thats so cool ya know      Not.

Wrong, starting a thread with "how utterly stupid" is the very definition of trolling.  The fact that many haters and troll agree with troll prime does not change this.

The OP started the thread w/ an insulting attack on the devs.   That = troll.  There is no debate.  

[YohkoOhno]

And I will keep explaining this issue..til people start using their brains and actually reading and understanding.

If you don't get it..don't post in this thread...and thus proving to the world..that you don't get it.

And some of us will keep disagreeing with you. Because we have a right to our opinions and they are valid. You shouldn't expect to get the last word in a disagreement--it's a sign of immaturity. I understand your complaints but you don't have to keep beating them against the wall and argue with every single person who disagrees with you either.

Now, having played Awakening from beginning to end, it's easy to see why this wasn't worked on. It doesn't really matter. The amount of references to the prior story is very light. The key elements are--who comes to visit you as the Liason for Ferelden? Who's the Dwarven King? And a little not at the end referencing your Romantic choice. That's pretty much it. For this adventure, it doesn't matter what happened between the Circle and Templars or the Elves and Werewolves, or who you romanced, etc.

So, assuming that you play the default character--does the import really matter? Most of the past stuff doesn't even come up. Considering how buggy some of the imports work I doubt it was worth the expense to code/program a feature that "sacrifice world state" import.

Though you never know--they might be able to patch it later.  So there's some hope...

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 23 mars 2010 - 11:07 .