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[Korvayer]

- Songlian - wrote...

How do you get past your own funeral?

Master Chief from the Halo series managed to do it.

Azure Zero wrote...

You [the Orlesian Grey Warden] were sent to rebuild the Grey Wardens of Ferelden. So new kid in town analogy.

Nothing in that statement reveals that you're necessarily playing the "new kid in town."

For all we know, the Orlesian Grey Warden player character could be Riordan (yes, he could have survived). Due to his prior connections with returning characters like Oghren, Alistair, Wynne, etc., and his involvement in battling the Archdemon, he might be much, much easier to implement than some fresh new Warden.

Writing a new Warden into the game would (will?) probably require a LOT more voice recording -- a separate set of recordings for NPC's and companions attempting to get to know you, instead of already knowing you (or of you) and your past heroics, and you them.


I think a lot us are reading too much into the FAQ's at this point (not you specifically, Azure Zero). Step back, breathe, and await more information.

Modifié par Korvayer, 14 février 2010 - 05:39 .

[sirchet]

With all these palm readers and fortune tellers posting, (empowered with the innate trait of assumption) who needs the Devs to tell us anything.



I fail to see the problem, I had fun playing DA:O and will most likely have fun playing DA:A.



If the story does not suit me, I will most likely play something else.



The bottom line? Relax, the same people that made the things that have made you so passionate about DA:O are making DA:A. You can call me on this one, but I bet you'll like it too.



I think I will.



Cheers.



ps ... it's just a game, have fun with it.

[Relshar]

I feel a bit cheated to be honest. When my main character died he/she should stay dead. But the actions of said character should reflect on the world as you play through with a new one. Dragon age is not meant to be a never never land. It was meant to be dark and gritty.

[Feraele]

Because they knew it would create controversy..which it has. The ORIGINAL explanation was very definitely in that first thread announcing Awakening.



I remember it because people were confused about the Orlesian Warden, alot figuring they would start in Orlais.



It STILL says in that thread that "the choices you made in Origins will follow through into Awakening"



But at this point they are telling us..if your warden died. And you want them to stay dead..don't import those choices. Obviously because there will be no reference at all to the Ultimate Sacrifice.



And obviously again.....a pointless time waster of a run-through..that has absolutely no impact on the expac...not even through background information.

[Aldridgeguy]

Do the following characters have no meaning ?



Gandalf

Lazarus

Jean Grey

Superman

Elektra

Ripley ( Alien )

Buffy



I could go on, but suffice to say, how many times in popular fiction has the protagonist been believed to be dead only to be revived later for a sequel ? I don't think it would stretch the imagination too far to upload an " ultimate sacrifice " character at all. If anything, it's usually the characters that make these ultimate sacrifices that are the ones given a second leash of life by divine powers that be, fate, or magic BECAUSE they selflessly gave their lives for the greater good.

[Monica21]

Maviarab wrote...
Its gone...but take this from the FAQ...and its easy to read between the lines imo...

I read that, and that's where I part ways from everyone else. *shrug* Sorry, guess I'm just not that suspicious, nor do I care that BioWare went with one canon ending. I expected it, because, as I stated previously, there has to be a canon ending for future games. Everyone talks about how great BioWare is at story telling, about how rich this game is in terms of lore, about how it's refreshing not to have an FPS that pretends it's an RPG, but when BioWare makes a legitimate (IMO) story decision, everyone throws their hands up and cancels pre-orders. It's more than a little bit of an over-reaction.

[Azure Zero]

Korvayer wrote...

- Songlian - wrote...

How do you get past your own funeral?

Master Chief from the Halo series managed to do it.

Azure Zero wrote...

You [the Orlesian Grey Warden] were sent to rebuild the Grey Wardens of Ferelden. So new kid in town analogy.

Nothing in that statement reveals that you're necessarily playing the "new kid in town."

For all we know, the Orlesian Grey Warden player character could be Riordan (yes, he could have survived). Due to his prior connections with returning characters like Oghren, Alistair, Wynne, etc., and his involvement in battling the Archdemon, he might be much, much easier to implement than some fresh new Warden.

Writing a new Warden into the game would (will?) probably require a LOT more voice recording -- a separate set of recordings for NPC's and companions attempting to get to know you instead of already knowing you (or of you) and your heroics.


I think a lot us are reading too much into the FAQ's at this point (not you specifically, Azure Zero). Step back, breathe, and await more information.

true enoguh, I didn't elaborate, but
"For example, if you choose the brand new story of the Orlesian
commander, in some cases, you actually come across cameos of some of
your followers. You'll kind of hear about the tales of what happened
and how something did or didn't happen, etc."

source: pc.ign.com/articles/105/1058656p1.html

Seems like you are new to the area, and it wouldn't be a new orlesian grey warden if it was riordan.

[Dethanos]

Maviarab wrote...

...
Dethanos...

Its been confirmed (though given the way things are screwing up that might change again) that if you start as a new warden....you get the cannon ending storyline (ritual)...

And that if you import your 'dead' warden....you never died...you took the ritual...thus taking away all chice from that play through, thus ina way...rendering (inster hours here) time spent doing that run wasted and pointless.

...

If that is the case, then I can see why people have a problem with it. Carry on.

[Mikey_205]

I've never gone the ultimate sacrifice route but I assume if you play as the Orleasian Grey Warden then your original character will be assumed to have died. If you continue your character then your assumed to have done the Dark Ritual.

[Feraele]

I still have my pre-order..just not happy about this so-called "canon" ending (which btw hasn't "officially" been declared canon but I am sure more reading between the lines indicates that it is so.)

My view is..if the Ultimate Sacrifice is the equivalent to 80ish hours of accomplishing nothing ingame...I won't be playing it (the US ending) again..why would I?

Modifié par Feraele, 14 février 2010 - 05:03 .

[Azure Zero]

Maviarab wrote...

Aldridgeguy wrote...

Do the following characters have no meaning ?

Gandalf
Lazarus
Jean Grey
Superman
Elektra
Ripley ( Alien )
Buffy

I could go on, but suffice to say, how many times in popular fiction has the protagonist been believed to be dead only to be revived later for a sequel ? I don't think it would stretch the imagination too far to upload an " ultimate sacrifice " character at all. If anything, it's usually the characters that make these ultimate sacrifices that are the ones given a second leash of life by divine powers that be, fate, or magic BECAUSE they selflessly gave their lives for the greater good.

You forgot SHEPHARD lol...

Now whilst stuff like that can be fun....amusing and quite clever if done correctly...

Thus is not whats happening with your DA character.....if you import that save (damnit how many times must I say this today?) Awakenings willl change your ending to the cannon ending (ritual)...so you didnt miraculously survive through some odd freak of science....you never did that story at all...and isntead slept with Morrigan.

Little different isnt it lol....

By all technicalities, they havent said that will be how it plays out, it is widely assumed it will be that, but they just state "somehow survived". I posted several random thoughts about it in another thread last night;

edit: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/127/index/1184321/8#1195700

Modifié par Azure Zero, 14 février 2010 - 05:09 .

[NKKKK]

WTFFFFF BIOWAREEEEE

[Feraele]

Maviarab wrote...

Feraele wrote...

I still have my pre-order..just not happy about this so-called "canon" ending (which btw hasn't "officially" been declared canon but I am sure more reading between the lines indicates that it is so.
My view is..if the Ultimate Sacrifice is the equivalent to 80ish hours of accomplishing nothing ingame...I won't be playing it again..why would I?

Fera, if your US character is imported, it was said (again in the 'missing post') that the canon ending is the ritual....so i think its safe to assume thats the way the DA saga is heading...

BUT:
That was either a mistake (hence post gone)
OR:
Someone wrote something they shouldnt have...(hence post gone)

Now unless I'm having another nervous break down, Im damn sure I didnt imagine reading that lol.

Never had a nervous breakdown..heh not the "nervous" type.    I have seen this sort of thing before..was probably an "oopsie".   

As for its missing state..I do remember it being there, people were confused ..the devs and moderators were explaining how it would work.

Mentioning choices carried through, and if your warden died you would play the new Orlesian.  Game choices being recognized in Awakening.

Why all the big fuss at the end when your Warden does the Ultimate Sacrifice..if it doesn't mean a thing?   You just import your dead warden and play your dead warden.

Enchantment?  I guess so.

[NKKKK]

I have lost all faith

[Monica21]

NKKKK wrote...

I have lost all faith

LOL

[NKKKK]

Seriosuly, this is a bad decision.

[Monica21]

NKKKK wrote...

Seriosuly, this is a bad decision.

It's a story decision. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not a deliberate attempt to ****** off customers.

[Angel of Nessus]

Here is the bottom line- People complaining about the US wardens being allowed to continue on are either incredibly unimaginative or thinking "I don't agree with this option, therefore other people are wrong and should not be allowed to choose it". Those of you who do not want the sacrifice to "go to waste", play the Orlesian. Those of us who want to continue on get the option of assuming that something occurred (whatever we imagine might have worked out) to allow the PC to survive, we get to continue playing them. If we paid for the game, we should have as many possibilities as we please open to us.

[NKKKK]

What I'm ranting about is the decisions to transfer, the Orlesian Warden will have certain canon decisions that people will not have done.

Unless you chosse the decisions...then maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

Modifié par NKKKK, 14 février 2010 - 05:35 .

[Rylor Tormtor]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Okay BioWare, I pissed off Alistiar and he left. I've decided that I don't like this, so when I import a character where this happened, just have him and Loghain be in my game.

If anyone complains this makes no freaking sense, I'll just tell them they can ignore Alistair and pretend he's not standing around in his golden armor.

Yay for meaningless choices!

Vicious wrote...

So, if i kill Alistair in my playthrough and perform the ultimate sacrifice, I have to start an Orlesian Warden and everything I did in my playthrough will be compeltely invalidated? WTF. Really someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

No. If your PC is dead, you can import them and play them. You can't import your games choices and play the Orlesian Warden though.

Ugh, you have to be kidding me? Really?

This is completely stupid. Narrative continuity is thrown out the window, meaningful choices are taken away to appeal to the crowd who just wants slam through the game in their uber powerful character.

Sigh.