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[Cancermeat]

I'm stuck with the console verion, but won't somebody eventually mod the pc version so it works out?

[TrueAlucard]

Cancermeat wrote...

I'm stuck with the console verion, but won't somebody eventually mod the pc version so it works out?

 Only for those who have the PC version.

[Dethanos]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

I told everyone there would be a "cannon" ending and got lynched for it. Now maybe you can all recognize what I said before. There would have to be some sort of cannon like ending. And now you have it. All you fools who threw your warden on the pike at the end while mine did the dirty deed. How foolish you were. You don't get the glory now, and you didn't pork Morrigan. MUAHAHAHAHA.

According to canon, only the Qunari have cannon.

[Aslend]

I will simply "create" it if I do not find it, thus stated, if Bioware chooses a different path than one I would like, well all righty then, I got a toolset, I will make it so, "Engage"! So lets just make it then? Who's with me! Rar!~

[Cancermeat]

What was the cannon ending? You decided to party with Morigan?

[Monica21]

Dethanos wrote...
According to canon, only the Qunari have cannon.

Heh...

[Rylor Tormtor]

Cancermeat wrote...

bnolsen2 wrote...

The thing I dont understand is that people are pissed at BioWare for trying to make them happy! They're giving you the option top play as your character as long as you're willing to ignore that story aspect. I understand that the main problem is that you want your decisions to carry over but the post even says that if the player is willing to ignore the blatant retcon of the story then BioWare won't punish them for wanting to use that character. I'm sorry but its ridiculous when people complain and whine about someone trying to make some people happy.

 Thats what i was trying to say, but u said it better.

No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

[Azure Zero]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Cancermeat wrote...

bnolsen2 wrote...

The thing I dont understand is that people are pissed at BioWare for trying to make them happy! They're giving you the option top play as your character as long as you're willing to ignore that story aspect. I understand that the main problem is that you want your decisions to carry over but the post even says that if the player is willing to ignore the blatant retcon of the story then BioWare won't punish them for wanting to use that character. I'm sorry but its ridiculous when people complain and whine about someone trying to make some people happy.

 Thats what i was trying to say, but u said it better.

No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

Don't bother trying to clarify the point they are choosing to miss. We know for fact they let peope lignore the US ending, but maybe they also have the option to import the choices only from a US ending for those that want to keep a realsitic outlook on the US ending. It is a big maybe but we don't know one way or the other yet.

Modifié par Azure Zero, 14 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[Monica21]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

And I disagree. I think the only reason for this is because the Dark Ritual will come into play at some point. You can't do the Dark Ritual and also die. It's for story purposes only. I don't see any "catering" if only because it's easy enough to create and play a character that hasn't died.

[Cancermeat]

Come to think of it a lot of my decisions didn't carry over from BG1 to BG2. If i remember i killed off both Minc and Edwin.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Monica21 wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

And I disagree. I think the only reason for this is because the Dark Ritual will come into play at some point. You can't do the Dark Ritual and also die. It's for story purposes only. I don't see any "catering" if only because it's easy enough to create and play a character that hasn't died.

And I threw out two simple ideas that allow both Morrigan's god baby and the ultimate sacrfice. No, this has nothing to do with the US, just lazy writing.

[NKKKK]

if they wanted the dark ritual canon, they would have done so in the first place and not give you the choice.

[Azure Zero]

Monica21 wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

And I disagree. I think the only reason for this is because the Dark Ritual will come into play at some point. You can't do the Dark Ritual and also die. It's for story purposes only. I don't see any "catering" if only because it's easy enough to create and play a character that hasn't died.

The dark ritual could come into play other ways. Who is to say that was the only ritual for collecting the Archdemon soul Morrigan knew. She could have left bangeda random soldier and performed a secondary ritual witha dreamcatcher for all we know if that is how they want to go with it.

[Bullets McDeath]

Cancermeat wrote...

Come to think of it a lot of my decisions didn't carry over from BG1 to BG2. If i remember i killed off both Minc and Edwin.

In BG2, it's easily explained away by the ridiculous level of magic in the setting. My Minsc got gibbed and I kept on with that save because as much as I loved him, it just felt cool. And I killed Edwin. However, with the time between the end of BG1 and waking up in Irenicus' dungeon, it's conceivable someone had found them and cast Raise Dead.

Since there's no resurrections in Thedas, it sticks out a bit more. Well, no resurrections, except when there are, I guess

As I've said in the FAQ thread, it's annoying and I consider it a bad precedent, but if people want to play with their dead Wardens, it doesn't really affect or bother me. What cheeses my doodle is that I will not be able to play the Orlesian Warden with the choices of my dead character. That was one of the attractive ideas about the expansion to me and I even created a character specifically to sacrifice him and have the Orlesian take over for him in the expansion.  I just don't see why we can't have it both ways, except for the obvious reason that they are rushing this expansion out the gate and don't have time to fix it up technically.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 14 février 2010 - 07:01 .

[Cancermeat]

The dark ritual doesn't seem right if you are playing a good character.

[Vicious]

Basically I think this is what Bioware is doing.

If you import a dark promise endgame, your character will be transferred over and you'll see your old pals and get a few things referenced briefly before embarking on this new adventure.

If you import a US character, same thing.

If you create an Orlesian Grey Warden, you will not run into any of your 'old friends.' since they are not your old friends, and it's impossible to import an US character AND create an Orlesian Grey Warden.

Instead you will get a completely different intro that only references that the blight was ended, darkspawn still around blahblah, without specifics of course, and then embark upon their adventure.

So yes, while it blows that you can't do both US and Orlesian Warden, if they pull it off right nobody will know the difference.

I am betting that the whole 'choices carry over from DAO' thing will be as overrated as Returning To Ostagar.

Modifié par Vicious, 14 février 2010 - 07:02 .

[Feraele]

Cancermeat wrote...

Its the player's fault for importing a character that should be dead not Biowares.

Au contraire...I have NO intention of importing my dead and entombed grey warden..to play out the rest of the game as a walking dead.   Because thats basically what it would mean.    Because Bioware seems to have NO intention of following through on the "entombment at Weishopt" and the large statue overlooking the entrance of the new GW fort in Amaranthine..

Your choice is..stay dead and your Ultimate Sacrifice never happened, ...play a new Grey Warden and still your Ultimate Sacrifice was not recorded in the Dragon Age: Origins story line.   No history..never existed. 

So why the fancy- assed ending when your warden dies?    Why does King Alistair devote time standing over your dead body on the bier, making a grand speech.

Why does he say you will be entombed with other previous GW that made that same sacrifice.    Why does he state that statue will be erected near the entrance to Vigil's Keep?

For fun?  For sh*ts and giggles?   

This is an rpg is it not..there's a story line there..each Origins is a bit different, each ending is due to player choices.

The devs state specifically that your choices will carry over to Awakening.   How hard is it to make a brief historical reference to the last Grey Warden and their sacrifice, before going on with the New Orlesian Grey Warden's story line?

Or is that going to interfere with someone's idea of "canon".

[TrueAlucard]

Azure Zero wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

And I disagree. I think the only reason for this is because the Dark Ritual will come into play at some point. You can't do the Dark Ritual and also die. It's for story purposes only. I don't see any "catering" if only because it's easy enough to create and play a character that hasn't died.

The dark ritual could come into play other ways. Who is to say that was the only ritual for collecting the Archdemon soul Morrigan knew. She could have left bangeda random soldier and performed a secondary ritual witha dreamcatcher for all we know if that is how they want to go with it.

 Because she needs someone who is a grey warden so the soul of the Archdemon would be drawn to the baby with the tainted blood...

[Azure Zero]

Cancermeat wrote...

Come to think of it a lot of my decisions didn't carry over from BG1 to BG2. If i remember i killed off both Minc and Edwin.

Yeah but in Faerun being able to ressurect people is common practice.

Modifié par Azure Zero, 14 février 2010 - 07:01 .

[Freezingfire]

Monica21 wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

And I disagree. I think the only reason for this is because the Dark Ritual will come into play at some point. You can't do the Dark Ritual and also die. It's for story purposes only. I don't see any "catering" if only because it's easy enough to create and play a character that hasn't died.

Why let us choose at all then. If they intent on railroading, let them do it right.

[prsquared]

Do you guys remember KOTOR 2 where you have a conversation with one of the main characters about events from KOTOR 1? The game chooses the sex of the PC and the route he chose in KOTOR 1 based on what we say in this conversation. It doesn't have a huge influence on the plot anyway. I think this is going to be like that.

[Monica21]

Azure Zero wrote...
The dark ritual could come into play other ways. Who is to say that was the only ritual for collecting the Archdemon soul Morrigan knew. She could have left bangeda random soldier and performed a secondary ritual witha dreamcatcher for all we know if that is how they want to go with it.

Because Morrigan went to a lot of trouble to get the old god baby. If there were an easier way, she'd have left the party before Lothering. Not to mention that it wasn't Morrigan's knowledge because Flemeth was the one who told her.

And you can't just make up stuff like "maybe there's another way" because you don't like the way it is.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Freezingfire wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

And I disagree. I think the only reason for this is because the Dark Ritual will come into play at some point. You can't do the Dark Ritual and also die. It's for story purposes only. I don't see any "catering" if only because it's easy enough to create and play a character that hasn't died.

Why let us choose at all then. If they intent on railroading, let them do it right.

Choo choo. Exactly.

[Azure Zero]

TrueAlucard wrote...

Azure Zero wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
No, time for me to generalize and ****** people off. They are trying to make the younger, probably console crowd happy by allowing them to play their dead character.

You want to play your character again? Don't do the US, for the DR. Simple.

And I disagree. I think the only reason for this is because the Dark Ritual will come into play at some point. You can't do the Dark Ritual and also die. It's for story purposes only. I don't see any "catering" if only because it's easy enough to create and play a character that hasn't died.

The dark ritual could come into play other ways. Who is to say that was the only ritual for collecting the Archdemon soul Morrigan knew. She could have left bangeda random soldier and performed a secondary ritual witha dreamcatcher for all we know if that is how they want to go with it.

 Because she needs someone who is a grey warden so the soul of the Archdemon would be drawn to the baby with the tainted blood...

According to the ritual YOU are told about, nothing states she didn't have a backup plan in case you said no. Yes it is speculation but everything involving the future of the ritual is also speculation except to the writers.

[Monica21]

Freezingfire wrote...
Why let us choose at all then. If they intent on railroading, let them do it right.

Because if the old god baby is going to come into play then it's going to come into play at some point. Probably not in Awakenings, but maybe DA2. There is still a story to be told, and people would be just as mad then as they are now. Might as well do it now.