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[Darkannex]

I appreciate that an answer has been given, and I don't think anyone reasonably expected the current gear to carry them entirely through to the end of the expansion. Personally, I feel that the lack of synergy between expansions and DLC is a way of shooting yourself in the foot. Next time a DLC is available for Awakenings, I will definitely NOT eagerly grab it-I will think carefully as to whether my money will be more wisely invested into something with a better shelf life.



I understand that if this were DAO2, or another game entirely that the expectation of item transferance would be laughable. But in this particular case-for a DLC not to be compatible with the expansion of the same game smacks of lack of foresight. Isn't this what started the fall of the gamecube? Lack of backwards-compatibility?



Ah, but I date myself. ^.^ I bear no malice or ill will. This greatly factored in my decision not to purchase Awakening immediately as I had planned. I prefer my games to not be segmented pieces, but a cohesive whole.

[gulegule]

KigenBarzhad wrote...

I have to say, shouldn't that make importing them in to the game even *less* of an issue. I can see taking them out if the DLC items were comparable to the items you get in Awakening (because it would nullify all the content you've created.) Should we the players decide what items we do and do not want to discard, sell, or destroy of the items we've already obtained!?

It's hard to appreciate what was give if we cannot even hold/keep it in our Awakening inventory it in a sentimental
regard. I for one, keep all special/uniques I've ever collect and don't use in my chest in Warden's Keep. I do not sell them.

I don't think the reason has to do with balance, or concerns about the items negating expansion content.  I think the reason is more like this: "Since most players are going to replace their starting gear in a few hours of Awakenings gameplay, it is not worth whatever extra effort to QA the DLC items."

Which is frankly a really crappy reason.  There is a cost to not doing including these items as well, and that cost is potentially open ended.  Bioware may have fan goodwill to burn currently, but that might not always be the case.

Modifié par gulegule, 18 février 2010 - 11:42 .

[Sarkus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins DLC (from DAO or other prior DLC) is not available in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening as we've already said.

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

There are three issues you need to consider.

First, a lot of people have built their characters around some of the DLC items.  Starfang, for example, is not replaceable by anything really comparable, which means that a character that imports will be initially weaker then when they finished the game.  Other DLC items do also not have an equivalent.

Second, one person who has already played through Awakening stated on another message board that while the warrior might find decent stuff, there wasn't much for the rogue early on.  Maybe he missed that, but then again, maybe it will be easy for players to miss replacement gear.

Third, and most importantly, while those of us on this board who know that the DLC stuff won't import can make some sort of arrangement ahead of time to make sure our imported character has armor and weapons that will work (though I'm not entirely sure what is DLC and non-DLC at this point to be honest and I'm sure I'm not the only one), someone who has no idea about this decision is going to potentially get dumped into Awakening with half their gear missing and immediately be angry.  Seems like a poor game design decision to me.

Modifié par Sarkus, 18 février 2010 - 11:42 .

[Zomaar]

Chris Priestly wrote...

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

I guess I'm one of those funny people who just happens to like a challenge, and I probably wouldn't mind equipping a less effective suit of armor either, if it means it makes me look good! I know, I'm probably a little too vain for your tastes, but it probably has something to do with the emotional value we seem to attach to certain items aswell, and maybe that's because of all the memories about all the hardships and horrors we've had to endure in order to obtain those items?

Chris Priestly wrote...

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

I guess you're making sense! I can't speak for everyone, but I'm a wee bit happier now, so thank you for your in-depth explanation Chris!

[ArcanistLibram]

Chris Priestly wrote...

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

I'm partially sorry to say this, but that doesn't make any sense. DLC items tend to be more powerful than the basic Origins items that can be imported. Those items will become obsolete even earlier than the DLC items, but they'll still carry over. If DLC items, generally the strongest in Origins, won't carry over because they're too weak by comparison to the items in Awakening, then none of the items in Origins should carry over at all.

[Noviere]

Chris Priestly wrote...

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious... but your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. How is this any different from non-DLC items? The gear from vanilla-DAO does get imported with your character -- won't it be replaced just as quickly(if not moreso) as the DLC items would be?

[knittzu]

Works for me. Thank you, Chris.

[Dave of Canada]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins DLC (from DAO or other prior DLC) is not available in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening as we've already said.

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

To be honest, Duncan and Cailan's gear from Return to Ostagar have sentimental value and I would've kept them. It's disappointing that we're not allowed to keep it for RP purposes.

What about the blood abilities given if you drink the thing in Soldier's Keep, will that remain?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 19 février 2010 - 12:40 .

[ArcanistLibram]

Shavon wrote...

People are getting upset about the expansion, when we haven't even played it yet. 

Mostly, I just don't like it when people try to feed me bull****.

[Kwanzaabot]

So, DLC gear doesn't compare to the higher-tier stuff in Awakening? Fair enough. But neither does anything else in Origins. That Dragonbone Legion of the Dead armour? Useless.



But if one of the biggest draws for DLC is the loot (and let's face it, that's pretty much what Return to Ostagar was advertised as- "get Cailan's armour!"), and it's going to be useless in a month when the expansion comes out.... why buy the DLC in the first place?

[gulegule]

Noviere wrote...

Maybe I'm missing something obvious... but your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. How is this any different from non-DLC items? The gear from vanilla-DAO does get imported with your character -- won't it be replaced just as quickly(if not moreso) as the DLC items would be?

I agree, there is something missing from that explanation.  It is probable that including the vanilla items was essentially free, or at least budgeted for, whereas the dlc items would be extra work to include or were overlooked until too late.  Thus they had to balance the cost of including them with the expected benefit to the average player: "not too much since they'll just replace it."

This is still pretty crappy, since it amounts to saying "It was not worth our time to include the content you previously purchased." to a substantial portion of the player base.

[gulegule]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Shavon wrote...

People are getting upset about the expansion, when we haven't even played it yet. 

Mostly, I just don't like it when people try to feed me bull****.

Here here!

[Uzzy]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins DLC (from DAO or other prior DLC) is not available in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening as we've already said.

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

BS answer. Sorry, but that's utter BS. There is no good reason for you to be doing this, especially as your answer would leave one with the logical conclusion of stripping the character bare and letting them choose level appropriate gear right at the start of the game. Are you going to do that? If not, why not? Why is it only DLC equipment that we lose?

And sure, there will be 'heaps of cool new armours, weapons, spells, etc' that we'll want to use in Awakening. That's great. I'm also sure we'll appreciate them too. Of course, we'll have to appreciate and use them, cause you've taken away the best kit we've already got! I'd much rather get the choice of discarding our equipment in favour of something new and cool. At the moment we get no choice. You're just stripping the weapons away. You're stripping the Warden Commander armour away.

I am incredibly disappointed by this frankly bizarre decision from you guys. I can understand why you've not been able to stick in various characters from Origins into Awakening, due to conflicting schedules for the voice actors and the like, but there's just no justifiable reason for you to do this. Give us the DLC content we've paid for, and let us choose whether or not to 'upgrade' to the new equipment we'll get in Awakening.

[godlike13]

As long as there's some awesome new gear, swords, armor directed for the Arcane Warrior i'll be ok. Also good Heavy Armor.

Modifié par godlike13, 19 février 2010 - 01:16 .

[Red Frostraven]

SO... Will there be mindflayers there, that cause my main character a head injury that allows him to toss the armor from his beloved king into the well instead of wearing it proudly, or will he do it vouluntarily?

Why didn't Liliana want to come with my character?

What happened to my dog?



...

"Drop the roleplaying gear, there will be better loot!"... Rrrriiiiiight....

[Bling75]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins DLC (from DAO or other prior DLC) is not available in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening as we've already said.

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

I'm confused, if it is the case that the DLC items would be rendered obsolete in Awakenings, wouldn't that be true for all items from Origins?  If so, then why doesn't our character start our nekkid?

Seriously, this rationale seeems a little squirely.

[_000Darkstar]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins DLC (from DAO or other prior DLC) is not available in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening as we've already said.

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

It took you guys a week to come up with this answer? Tell you what, if you're not going to use that $300 million you made in DLC sales to let us take our equipment with us to Awakening, then use it to hire a competent PR guy that'll come up with something we'll actually believe.

[sami jo]

That was the worst explanation ever.  "We're too incompetent and/or cash strapped and/or strapped for time to get around our own copyrite protections" would have been more satisfying and more honest.  The DLC items are generally slightly more powerful than most of the in-game loot, meaning that none of it should port over using that explanation.  This is completely non-sensical from an RP perspective.  So much for story being paramount.

The DLC has not been worth the story content.  The entire quest in RtO was to find the armor and weapon.  It could have had a nice chunk of story attached to it, but it didn't, and Warden's Peak was eaqually weak.  I consolled myself with the cool loot and abilities and the fact that I wanted to support Bioware.

To heck with that.  I'll read what little of the story is added in the DLC in the spoiler forums.  I will buy Awakenings but I won't buy another DLC unless the forums suggest that the story content is worth it.  I have not and will not waste my money on ME2, the only Bioware game I haven't purchased when it came out.  I'll purchase Awakenings used.  I won't buy into the "nifty loot for buying it new" trap again. 

Penalizing your best customers-- the ones who will buy anything and everything you put out because they are that devoted to the game even when the content is lacking-- is a really bad business decision.  I'm watching my favorite game company slide into mediocrity.  It's really pretty depressing.

[Reaverwind]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins DLC (from DAO or other prior DLC) is not available in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening as we've already said.

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

Naturally, the DLC items are expected to be under-powered for a level-30 character, but surely you're not implying the PC will be auto-leveled to 30 upon starting the expansion? Stating that items become obsolete is really a moot point.

I've no doubt you're placing "heaps" of cool items in the game - however, will those items be immediately available at the start? If not, what's being done to address the anticipated equipment loss?

[Daerog]

Could always mod the DLC items back in with the toolset, right? That'll help for those who still want to roleplay on the PC, or just really like the look of the DLC items.

[Karmianna]

Reaverwind wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins DLC (from DAO or other prior DLC) is not available in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening as we've already said.

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

Naturally, the DLC items are expected to be under-powered for a level-30 character, but surely you're not implying the PC will be auto-leveled to 30 upon starting the expansion? Stating that items become obsolete is really a moot point.

I've no doubt you're placing "heaps" of cool items in the game - however, will those items be immediately available at the start? If not, what's being done to address the anticipated equipment loss?

It just seems to me that this expansion was not carefully thought out in regards to what customers liked and disliked about the game.

[Uzzy]

It gets even better! According to another thread on this board, you don't get a good opportunity to get equipment until after a few fights. So you really will start naked and without a decent weapon.

Awesome stuff Bioware! Nice to see slipping standards from my favourite game company.

[Mass Fraud]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins DLC (from DAO or other prior DLC) is not available in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening as we've already said.

While I know some fans are not happy with this, the main reason is, due to the advanced level of Awakening, the items you want to bring in would be rapidly less effective than the materials you start with or find early on in the game. Yes, in DA:O Starfang (or similar) are very powerful, but since you can reach level 30+ in Awakening, they would be ineffectual.

Trust me, there are heaps of cool new armors, weapons, spells, etc that you will want to use in Awakening that you will quickly learn to appreciate even more than your DLC items from DAO.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Duh! Of course we'll get better weapons in the game as we progress, that happens in every video game. The DLC items were something that we bought extra, they were short, and thus other than getting the epic gear (and story also), there was no other reason to get them. It's quite unfair to leave us who bought the DLC in the cold for something like this, especially when RTO just came out. Who in their right mind would buy RTO now?
People like me will have to have a VERY good reason to even look at another piece of DLC now.

[Silensfurtim]

BS.