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[puggini]

Bit of a moral dillema there. I for one feel like Krogan are pretty awesome, and I'd like to help them regain some former glory. But I don't really want them to take over the universe either.

What choice do you make?

[Movodor]

Overrunning every other species out there kinda outweighs any other concerns.

[Tyreal42a]

Cure. Have them the fight the reapers. Then hit them with it again once victory is achieved. It's the only way to be sure!

[Daerog]

Modify it. Keep it, but have it be less psychologically damaging. Just lower birth rates, don't kill a bunch of embryos or leave some krogan unable to have children.


Edit: Woops, that was just opinion, I forgot to mention that I told Mordin to keep it because I eventually want him to do the above. Just keep it with him for now, but no decision made.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 14 février 2010 - 10:45 .

[GodWood]

To big a risk.

They're pissed off now and I bet if they could they'd want to reclaim their lost glory, I'm with Mordin, keep their numbers up but not big enough to create revolution.

[ComTrav]

I cured it.

Three main reasons why:
1. The genophage doesn't kill people, as Mordin insists. But it has killed Krogan CULTURE. A sense of loss permeates Tuchanka, and especially Mordin's mission. The mother who gave herself to experiments, the prisoner who is being cured and refuses to leave (initially) when you rescue him...these are a people with no hope for the future.
2. If it's not the Krogans, it's someone else. Mordin's assistant points out that the Salarians played God with the Krogan to make the Galaxy safe. And they failed. The Galaxy is still dangerous. You still had an almost-major war between humanity and the Turians, the Geth-Council fighting, and, of course, the threat of the Reapers. You can't stomp out every galactic threat in existence.
3. Wrex, Khan of the Krogan. I have a lot more faith in a rejuvenated Krogan nation with Wrex in charge.

Modifié par ComTrav, 14 février 2010 - 10:28 .

[Abirn]

Movodor wrote...

Overrunning every other species out there kinda outweighs any other concerns.

I'm certain it doesn't outweigh the invading fleet of supercomputers hell bent on glactic genocide. 

[Movodor]

Abirn wrote...

Movodor wrote...

Overrunning every other species out there kinda outweighs any other concerns.

I'm certain it doesn't outweigh the invading fleet of supercomputers hell bent on glactic genocide. 

Thinking beyond said fleet is required. It would really, really suck to have defeated the reapers and then be ground under the Glorious People's Army of Tuchanka anyway.

[Abirn]

Movodor wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Movodor wrote...

Overrunning every other species out there kinda outweighs any other concerns.

I'm certain it doesn't outweigh the invading fleet of supercomputers hell bent on glactic genocide. 

Thinking beyond said fleet is required. It would really, really suck to have defeated the reapers and then be ground under the Glorious People's Army of Tuchanka anyway.

Not really, this is a win at all costs scenario.  If you don't defeat the reapers then there will be no other issues to deal with since life across the galaxy will be kind of dead.

[Movodor]

and not thinking ahead is what got the krogan hit with the genophage in the first place.

not thinking ahead is what got the rachni wiped out, not thinking in the long term is..you get the point.

Exchanging one galactic threat for another immediately afterwards is poor plannning.

[ComTrav]

Movodor wrote...

and not thinking ahead is what got the krogan hit with the genophage in the first place.
not thinking ahead is what got the rachni wiped out, not thinking in the long term is..you get the point.
Exchanging one galactic threat for another immediately afterwards is poor plannning.

But doesn't this happen anyway? Won't there always be SOME threat to pop up when you take one down?

There's a line from ME1. "You needed the Krogan to stop the Rachni. You needed the Turians to stop the Krogan. You is going to balance the Turians?" The implicit answer (to me) was humanity. Depending on Shepard's choices, humanity is a galactic menace.

[Movodor]

But I hope you got the point there. It'd suck for all shepard's said and done to be irrelevant because the STG got wasted one night at a stripper bar and pressed the 'Cure Genophage' button. I can see the reasoning for some people but Mordin had a point, the genophage is the lesser of a few dozen evils.

[Looy]

I think we will have the option to cure it in ME3.



Cure = get army of krogan to fight reapers, however in Mass Effect: The Spinoff the krogan rule the galaxy.

Don't Cure = Reaper's destroy Tuchanka, forever dooming the Krogan

[JigPig]

It would be nice to have some Krogan to combat the reapers.

[Abirn]

Movodor wrote...

But I hope you got the point there. It'd suck for all shepard's said and done to be irrelevant because the STG got wasted one night at a stripper bar and pressed the 'Cure Genophage' button. I can see the reasoning for some people but Mordin had a point, the genophage is the lesser of a few dozen evils.

I see your reasoning, I just think that sometimes you have to deal with the immediate issue.  A Krogan army and a rachni army to the same extent would be mighty weapons to fight the reapers.  Sometimes you have to take an option even if it has negative consequences down the road.  

Living to fight another day > not living at all.

[Movodor]

That's true, but there are risks that would need to be considered, Shepard pulling one of his/her trademark convincing speeches and getting the genophage cured on the spot would have serious negative consequences.

[DBHolm]

The genophage was a mistake bordering on a warcrime.

If the krogan attempt to take over the universe afterwards... well, if they are around to attempt it, it's a pretty safe bet to say that humanity will be around to repel said attempt.

Modifié par DBHolm, 14 février 2010 - 11:05 .

[Tamcia]

I kept the data.



Genophage was the right things to do, let me put it this way: lesser evil.



Salarians made a mistake by giving Krogan technology. The species was not ready to be aprt of galactic community nor space travel. After Rachni war was over, Krogans started taking over worlds left and right, because of over population - like simple animals, when conditions are right, they multiply until resources are consumed, which in this case the krogans moved to other worlds, even populated worlds.



I would hand over the cure, if they would learn to coexist with other races and control their population themselves.

[deimosmasque]

It is a hard choice... the damage had already been done before the genophage was ever required. The Salarians uplifted the Krogan to a technological level they were not ready for. As Mordin states, the Post-Apocalyptic world of the Krogan is not because of the genophage but rather due to the Uplifting and the Krogan not ready for it.

The Krogan Rebellions are also the fault of the Uplifting. The genophage is just an unfortunate consequence of the rebellion.

Is it horrible? Yes.

Is it wrong? Yes.

Are most things that are necessary horrible and wrong? Yes.



As much as I want to side with the Krogan on this, the truth of the matter is that they, as a species, need to grow up. Wrex is helping with that, perhaps in the next 100+ years or so they would be ready for a cure. Now... well listen to the Krogan on Tuchanka, they are angry, they are violent and if they were cured... they would start the Krogan Rebellion all over again.

[Sharn01]

Keep it, we need a Mass Effect spin off someday for the new Krogan Rebellion.



But seriously, this is one of the choices I had the hardest time deciding on, I had Mordin keep the research, maybe he can modify it to be less stringent, perhaps it can introduce the cure slowly and allow the Krogan to fully evolve, I am not sure, but its best to keep your options open then to shut all door's.

[scrappydoo555]

I'm sure Mordin mentions something alog the lines that the Krogan weren't technologically evolved enough to achieve space flight on their own and so the Turians came along and gave them spaceships and weapons and told them to go kill some rachni. After the war the Krogan settled on different planets and the population expanded. Also I seem to remember ME1 mentioning the Krogan homeworld had high radiation levels which kept thier population in check. So really it's all the Turians fault for interfering with a species development. I believe the Genophage is a necessary evil unless they could convince the Krogan to return to their home world and give up any new technology they were given so the can go back to evolving naturaly - I don't think the Krogan would do that though.



I hope my memory is correct, if not let me know there is so much info in these games to remember it all.

[DBHolm]

The salarians culturally uplifted the krogans, not the turians.

[i7206]

If you saved the Rachni the Krogan can Ride on the backs of Rachni into combat. HUZZAH!

devs. this. mass effect 3, NOW.

[T0paze]

No correct answer, I believe.

Personally, I think this is a deliberate attempt to create a morally challenging situation. Interesting, but still deliberate. As such, it's not supposed to have a 'right' answer - in fact, it's specifically designed and intended to be ambiguous. That, of course, only applies to the current moral framework - it's entirely possible that in the future issues like that will as morally clear as the issue of using torture as punishment, as we see it today.

Scenarios like that have increased in popularity with the developers, which is a good thing, probably - although artificial and schematic, they still better than those black and white decisions plaguing older games.

Modifié par T0paze, 14 février 2010 - 12:52 .