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[Mondo47]

ComTrav wrote...

I cured it.

Three main reasons why:
1. The genophage doesn't kill people, as Mordin insists. But it has killed Krogan CULTURE. A sense of loss permeates Tuchanka, and especially Mordin's mission. The mother who gave herself to experiments, the prisoner who is being cured and refuses to leave (initially) when you rescue him...these are a people with no hope for the future.
2. If it's not the Krogans, it's someone else. Mordin's assistant points out that the Salarians played God with the Krogan to make the Galaxy safe. And they failed. The Galaxy is still dangerous. You still had an almost-major war between humanity and the Turians, the Geth-Council fighting, and, of course, the threat of the Reapers. You can't stomp out every galactic threat in existence.
3. Wrex, Khan of the Krogan. I have a lot more faith in a rejuvenated Krogan nation with Wrex in charge.

I'd not thought of that one before! As long as Temujin Wrex is in charge, giving them some sense of unity and direction, they might just get their humps out of the hole they're in. On every playthough so far I've kept the cure and encouraged Mordin to at least think over curing the krogan - anything else just seems immoral to me.

[Tleining]

this might not be the right place, but could someone try to explain to me how exactly this genophage works? I read the Codex in game, but something doesn't make sense to me.

It is mentioned several times, that the phage infects all Krogan. And that it works in a way, that only 1 out of 1000 pregnancies is viable. All other end in stillbirths. This version made sense to me. But then there are fertile Females, who are fought over and apparently immune to the phage. This however, would mean that the genophage DOES attack the fertility, leaving only a handful fertile females, making the others unable to have children at all. Or am i missing something?



Personally, i just can't agree with Mordins justification for the genophage. According to him, the genophage protected the Krogan from being wiped out by the turians. But they are still dying, it may take a while longer, but they will die. Wrex might prevent this from happening sooner, but once he is dead, i just don't see someone else taking his place (maybe Grunt?).

And causing pregnancies to result in stillbirths is worse than murder, imo. So i would cure the genophage.

[glasgoo21]

Abirn wrote...

Movodor wrote...

But I hope you got the point there. It'd suck for all shepard's said and done to be irrelevant because the STG got wasted one night at a stripper bar and pressed the 'Cure Genophage' button. I can see the reasoning for some people but Mordin had a point, the genophage is the lesser of a few dozen evils.

I see your reasoning, I just think that sometimes you have to deal with the immediate issue.  A Krogan army and a rachni army to the same extent would be mighty weapons to fight the reapers.  Sometimes you have to take an option even if it has negative consequences down the road.  

Living to fight another day > not living at all.

I have some difficulties with following several thoughts people are having. Having the Krogan and Rachni ass ally might sound good in theory, I still want to see what it will be in practice. They are not to be trusted, proved this in the past. What if things against the reapers goes wrong (I will reference dragon age where allies didn't seem to be very much an alliy - leaving battle at a decisive moment) 

[Sphynx118]

Ninjawaffle23 wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

I cured it.

Three main reasons why:
1. The genophage doesn't kill people, as Mordin insists. But it has killed Krogan CULTURE. A sense of loss permeates Tuchanka, and especially Mordin's mission. The mother who gave herself to experiments, the prisoner who is being cured and refuses to leave (initially) when you rescue him...these are a people with no hope for the future.
2. If it's not the Krogans, it's someone else. Mordin's assistant points out that the Salarians played God with the Krogan to make the Galaxy safe. And they failed. The Galaxy is still dangerous. You still had an almost-major war between humanity and the Turians, the Geth-Council fighting, and, of course, the threat of the Reapers. You can't stomp out every galactic threat in existence.
3. Wrex, Khan of the Krogan. I have a lot more faith in a rejuvenated Krogan nation with Wrex in charge.

this. especially 3

1. yes this i agree with fully.

2. This reason has no logic to it at all.
So just because we have war in the galaxy we should allow MORE war by curing the krogans? Just because we cant stomp out all threats we should allow them all? The salarians didnt fail to make the galaxy safer. The galaxy is safer because of them but not 100% safe.

3. If you cure the genophage you litteraly kill wrex. Its thanks to the genophage that he even have a postition of power. If you cure it then retards like Gatatog Uvenk will just breed on their own instead of joining wrex.

[LOST GAM3R]

In ME1 I was totally against it, but after Mordin's loyalty mission in ME2, I got both sides of the story. I'm still against it after watching everything the Krogan go through. Maybe they learned their lesson the first time. Or maybe the didn't and they'll kill us all. But I understand... Better safe than sorry, y'know?

[Ooga600]

scyphozoa wrote...

If you saved the Rachni the Krogan can Ride on the backs of Rachni into combat. HUZZAH!

the reapers don't stand a chance!

[ODST 3]

I think the question really is, how would they react if the genophage was cured? A paragon Shepard idealistically predicts that the krogan would gratefully rejoice at the curing of the genophage and rejoin the Citadel races. Mordin still believes they would rapidly and violently expand, forcing the galaxy to destroy them. He believed he modified the genophage for their good as much as the galaxy's.



Personally, most of the krogan I've met would probably adhere to Mordin's expectations. However, Wrex understands how the galaxy works and if he's strong enough to keep everyone in line, it would be worthwhile. Not only would the krogan make powerful allies against the Reapers, as they did against the rachni, but they deserve some hope.

[glacier1701]

Personally I found the whole Mordin/Genophage talk and quest to be the major highlight of the game. Indeed what is said makes the decision on the Collector Base so much easier to place in context. Wrex and his ideas are the way to go...indeed Mordin approves of what Wrex is doing. So while I would like to cure the genophage I do see the point of not doing so at the present. Of course I keep the data because I trust Mordin will do the right thing.

[tmp7704]

ODST 3 wrote...

I think the question really is, how would they react if the genophage was cured? A paragon Shepard idealistically predicts that the krogan would gratefully rejoice at the curing of the genophage and rejoin the Citadel races.

Would expect the krogans to view it more as "too little too late" given how much resentment there is over this issue and the whole way the krogans were used. If someone takes away something from you then there's very rarely sense of gratitude when they eventually give it back, nor should there be.

[Realmjumper]

I doubt the Reapers would waste time with the wasteland of Tuchanka.

[BARRAGE 74]

scyphozoa wrote...

cure the genophage and send the Krogan Horde after the Reapers.

makes you feel bad for the Reapers, doesn't it?


edit - If you saved the Rachni the Krogan can Ride on the backs of Rachni into combat. HUZZAH!

AWESOME!

[bluecuban]

Who ever said we need to "cure" it? Right now it only allows 1/1000 births. Why not just change it to allow 1/100, or 1/50? Then their people can grow, but not get out of control.

[Gill Kaiser]

bluecuban wrote...

Who ever said we need to "cure" it? Right now it only allows 1/1000 births. Why not just change it to allow 1/100, or 1/50? Then their people can grow, but not get out of control.

I still say let Mordin keep the data, develop a cure, and then keep it in reserve until Wrex's reforms become standard. Give it 500 years or so to stick.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

I would only cure the genophage if the Krogan society got their act together, which is what I'm hoping Wrex does. Otherwise I'm keeping the genophage.

[OverlordNexas]

I think they'll be a point in time when the genophage is no longer necessary, and the Krogan can live as productive members of galactic society. Until that happens though, the genophage is the only thing preventing another Krogan rebellion.

[snassni]

wrong thread

Modifié par snassni, 08 mars 2012 - 03:06 .

[Gitzy]

bluecuban wrote...

Who ever said we need to "cure" it? Right now it only allows 1/1000 births. Why not just change it to allow 1/100, or 1/50? Then their people can grow, but not get out of control.

I agree with this. I also had the idea during the game that it might work out if Mordin cured the genophage, but somehow the cure would increase the female krogan birthrate since the women aren't bloodlust crazy, and would still make a viable fighting force. 

Krogan ladies have been repressed long enough and I would like to see them rise to power.

[venerablegnat]

Woops!  Thought his was about ME3.  NM

Modifié par venerablegnat, 13 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[yonot]

I think if Wrex is alive then you should cure it. He can keep control of the krogan.
If he is not then don't because his brother will do a horrible job.
I kept wrex alive and im going to cure the genophage.

[Sevorius]

Talogrungi wrote...

Cure it, but restrict Krogan from colonizing so that they never reach galaxy-threatening numbers.

And how do you plan to do that? There is no such option in the game, even if that's exactly what I wanted to do.

[Sevorius]

I cured it but it didn't feel good afterwards since I lost the Salarians and unleashed a large force of bullies into the universe. Some people here have mentioned you can keep the cure for later, but can you still save Tuchanka if you do that? I would like to play the mission again but make different decisions, so I would like some info on possible outcomes.

[ChaseTheCat]

I personally will always cure the genophage. No matter what. I don't care what the krogan had done in the past and how powerful and threathening they had become - no one deserves their fate and the salarians should have never brought that disaster to the entire krogan race. Punishing everyone just because the sins of some - that is simply not right. I think that if you helped the krogan cure the genophage, they would be grateful to Shepard and would not make the same mistakes again.

[Elochai94]

Depends on who is in charge if you have Wrex then he will prevent the Krogan from making the same mistakes again, whereas if you have Wreav then he is plotting to seek revenge upon the council.
Wrex: Cure it
Wreav: Sabotage