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[Sabresandiego]

The high dragon is so easy to beat with ranged characters. All you have to do is run whoever the dragon is chasing around the map while everyone else guns the dragon down. The dragon will constantly be chasing after people and never doing any significant damage.

If your party is a heavy melee team, the fight is signifcantly harder and also just plain dumb. The dragon is constantly interrupting meelee swings, has multiple meelee attacks and knockdowns which do area damage. I actually beat the dragon easier by just equipping all my melee fighters with bows and xbows and doing the exact same strategy I describe above!

Maybe it was Bioware's intention to make high dragons very unfriendly to meelee characters. If that is the case, they should make some extremely hard bosses much easier for melee than for ranged, but I cant think of any.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 14 février 2010 - 11:24 .

[Lambert_Feyzel]

You could also use a tank to keep the dragon busy with aggro talents (taunts, ecc), and make him turn the high dragon's back to your ranged characters for more damage. Shale is the best fot this task, since she's immune to the High Dragon's "chewing attack".. just give her some protection potion before the fight heal her heavily ;-)

[DJ0000]

I use Alistair to keep her attention Morrigan to freeze him Wynne to heal and I do all the damage with either backstabbing with a rogue or with Yusaris with a 2h warrior.



A single melee charecter can do almost all the required damage you just need to keep her distraced while they are doing this.

[x-president]

You could use a shapeshifter to distract the dragon.  It makes it very easy.  Just move with the dragon as it jumps.

[Matheau]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Maybe it was Bioware's intention to make high dragons very unfriendly to meelee characters. If that is the case, they should make some extremely hard bosses much easier for melee than for ranged, but I cant think of any.

Just about every mage in the game is easier to melee than use ranged attacks against. Well excluding the spells that are basically just for mage killing.

I don't really think it is a bad thing that you can't beat every fight by just charging straight at it with a group of Warriors. On top of that, Shale takes pretty low damage from the High Dragon if setup right. 

[Axekix]

DJ0000 wrote...

I use Alistair to keep her attention Morrigan to freeze him Wynne to heal and I do all the damage with either backstabbing with a rogue or with Yusaris with a 2h warrior.

A single melee charecter can do almost all the required damage you just need to keep her distraced while they are doing this.

Pretty much this.  If Alistair gets grabbed you can try to heal through it or just pop force field to break him out.of it.  Either way it's pretty straight forward tank and spank.

[soteria]

Considering archers are weaker for pretty much everything else, it doesn't really bother me that they're superior for killing a total of three bosses.

[lightstryker]

I soloed the dragons a few times. It really wasnt too difficult with a warrior with the best armor (I used Wade's Superior Massive Armor for fire protection), Star Fang, and Indomitable with my 2H warrior. The Indomitable keeps you from being stunned or knocked down, which most of their attacks revolve around. I had to abuse potions, though, so I didnt get killed by that annoying multi-bite attack.



I also did it the traditional method with either me or Alistair tanking, Wynne healing, and Morrigan abusing the dragon from afar.

[Sabresandiego]

Anything is easy if you abuse potions. A ranged character can kill the high dragon solo with no potions. As a matter of fact a mage can just wand it to death only using mana to heal himself on occasion. Its boring and takes a long time though.

[Shadvox]

Hey, I thought it was pretty cool when after loosing Wynne, Ogren and Shale my little elf rogue took that one down on her own. In previous play-throughs it really made my day/had to pause and ROFL HARD with tears and gut holding when a flaming Alistair was chomped on and sent flying up in the air. Am totally bummed out because I had wrong settings and couldn't take a screen shot during that one from ALL angles. Have tried and tried but no repeat. Phooey!

[x-president]

Shadvox wrote...

Hey, I thought it was pretty cool when after loosing Wynne, Ogren and Shale my little elf rogue took that one down on her own. In previous play-throughs it really made my day/had to pause and ROFL HARD with tears and gut holding when a flaming Alistair was chomped on and sent flying up in the air. Am totally bummed out because I had wrong settings and couldn't take a screen shot during that one from ALL angles. Have tried and tried but no repeat. Phooey!

Watch this video.  Flemeth did it to me and tossed me around like a rag doll.  I'm not sure if it happens more on higher difficulty.  This was on Nightmare and as you can see she immidiately grabs me after I shapeshift.

www.wegame.com/watch/flemeth-bear/

LOL, I love watching that grab.

[TheRealIncarnal]

Umm, maybe some things are harder to kill in different ways?

[x-president]

I just faught the High Dragon again and it definitely will grab you more on NIghtmare.  As soons as Allistar got close it would just grab him over and over like a chew toy.

In fact I think it did back to back grabs one time. 


Edit:  The High Dragon definitely seems harder to beat over Flemeth.  I think it even has more health or maybe just better armor, but it definitely takes longer to kill.

Modifié par x-president, 15 février 2010 - 06:47 .

[Sabresandiego]

Everyone is talking about being grabbed in this thread and stuff. If you simply use no tank at all and just run away whoever the high dragon is after, his only damaging attack becomes fire spit. The fight is a cake walk from there. The fight is easiest with no tank or meelee at all.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 15 février 2010 - 07:15 .

[DWSmiley]

Shale Stonehearted + Fire Crystal, everyone else doing ranged attacks. That's the easiest I've had it.

[soteria]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Everyone is talking about being grabbed in this thread and stuff. If you simply use no tank at all and just run away whoever the high dragon is after, his only damaging attack becomes fire spit. The fight is a cake walk from there. The fight is easiest with no tank or meelee at all.

Well, if you're going to cheese the fight with kiting, why not just go sit on the bridge?  Much less micro involved, same effect.

[x-president]

soteria wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Everyone is talking about being grabbed in this thread and stuff. If you simply use no tank at all and just run away whoever the high dragon is after, his only damaging attack becomes fire spit. The fight is a cake walk from there. The fight is easiest with no tank or meelee at all.

Well, if you're going to cheese the fight with kiting, why not just go sit on the bridge?  Much less micro involved, same effect.

Yea, isn't that #1 on your list of Cheese Moves.

[Random70]

soteria wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Everyone is talking about being grabbed in this thread and stuff. If you simply use no tank at all and just run away whoever the high dragon is after, his only damaging attack becomes fire spit. The fight is a cake walk from there. The fight is easiest with no tank or meelee at all.

Well, if you're going to cheese the fight with kiting, why not just go sit on the bridge?  Much less micro involved, same effect.

But if you stand on the bridge (which is cheesy) you'll still get fireballed. Even using a warmth balm (which may be cheesy) you'll still have to use health pots (which is cheesy). No, the _only_ non-cheesy way for your rogue / archer to win that fight is to put away your bow, pull out a melee weapon with which you have no skill and go for a full frontal assault. But that's ok, because you haven't been pumping DEX (which is cheesy) meaning your rogue will have plenty of STR to wield that 2H sword of dragon slaying. It's a cakewalk from there.

Modifié par Random70, 16 février 2010 - 06:53 .

[soteria]

Actually, you can do it without potions if you have someone with high health regen do the tanking. If you're on the bridge, it's basically the same fight as killing Flemeth. But wait, using good gear is cheesy, too.  You could always use my strategy for this fight: have Shale tank with a healer backing her up with heal/regen/glyph of warding, but that's probably cheesy, too, especially since I cheesed the no-potion restriction by using Blood Magic + healing.

Modifié par soteria, 15 février 2010 - 11:45 .

[Random70]

Actually, a Healbot mage is _not_ cheesy. There's even tactics for it in the approved tactics thread.

Modifié par Random70, 16 février 2010 - 06:54 .

[soteria]

No, those tactics aren't just approved, they are the BEST tactics. And I guess I'm cool with Blood Magic?! Sweet. My favorite two "approved, effective tactics":

5. Playing without potion use



6. Playing with 1 mage or less in your party

I'm glad to know playing without potions and 1/0 mages is in a list of highly effective tactics. I always knew my way of playing was the best way, and this just confirms it.

[Random70]

soteria wrote...

No, those tactics aren't just approved, they are the BEST tactics. And I guess I'm cool with Blood Magic?! Sweet. My favorite two "approved, effective tactics":

5. Playing without potion use

6. Playing with 1 mage or less in your party

I'm glad to know playing without potions and 1/0 mages is in a list of highly effective tactics. I always knew my way of playing was the best way, and this just confirms it.