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[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
That comment was not really directed at you, I know you don't find him brilliant

I disagree that brilliant leaders can't have an interesting story, but that's subjective tastes I suppose. I didn't find Maric that interesting, but I didn't find TST that great of a book either. My only interest in it was Loghain.

And despite everything, I do think Ferelden has the potential for brilliance. It needs a brilliant leader, among other things.

Oh, I agree, Ferelden has plenty of potential to go far, and produce intelligent, creative people. But at this point in it's history, they would need to produce something close to a messiah to get them to change and evolve into a functional society capable of capitalizing on and nurturing this brilliance. Otherwise, it's gonna take time to get to that point. Many of Ferelden's problems are too deeply entrenched and fundemental.

I prefer gradual transformation anyways. But seeing what is happening in Thedas, I think they should start hurrying. I think extremily few leaders in history can claim to have drastically changed everything about a people. What brilliant leaders can claim however is set the foundations (economic, political and social) for change. I think that is what Ferelden needs, and not a messiah figure tha is going to change everything instantly.

Would be nice, but impossible.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Eamon can fake retirement. Kind of like Putin pretending to be Prime minister
But I've also specualted that this trend vis a vis Redcliffe is natural and not necessarily planned or at least entirely so. The bannorn, in reaction to what happened in the civil war, could naturally seek in Redcliffe the leadership they need to be united. This doesn't need a good politician to pull off. But a master politician is required to take full advantage of it. In Ferelden,. that owuld be Eamon and not Teagan, even if he is supposedely retired.

Ok, then yes, I can see that. Eamon pulling the strings, like Dain, so to speak.

Of course. They are banns. They have to be stupid.
Though it's convenient. Arcturus LOVED that some idiots wanted to challenge him in Amaranthine. Gave him the perfect opportunity to clean house and replace the traitors with loyalists. Imagine his ecstasy when the Bann of Amaranthine city, which is crucial to him, committed suicice

Yes, my human noble Siona felt the same, she wanted to draw them out and crush them individually like insects, and hand their holding over to more reliable supporters. Though she wasn't queen, just Teyrna od Gwaren. If Anora is wise, she will hopefully do the same in the Bannorn, rewarding those Banns who helped to keep the peace. Thus sending the message that business as usual is going to cost more than it once did, but growing up and serving the interests of the country has its rewards.

Well he wasn't a disgrace like say Cailan, who would have dragged the Therein name into the mud.
He wasn't horrible and yes, he was good enough to make his name useful. But I'd still say his primary contribution is his name, while with Loghain, it was skill.

Though I have to add that if everyone knew what really happened in West Hill, he and his name would have probably been disgraced. So not sure if it was skill or luck that avoided making him a disgrace. But I feel I bashed too much on him already

Yes, hence again, why he needed Rowan and Loghain. Both knew enough to keep that little secret about West Hill just that: a secret. The people don't need to know everything, you know. Let them have their legend.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I prefer gradual transformation anyways. But seeing what is happening in Thedas, I think they should start hurrying. I think extremily few leaders in history can claim to have drastically changed everything about a people. What brilliant leaders can claim however is set the foundations (economic, political and social) for change. I think that is what Ferelden needs, and not a messiah figure tha is going to change everything instantly.

Would be nice, but impossible.

From what we learn in DA2, Ferelden might actually be safe from alot of the insanity. Midway we learn that celene is planning a reinvasion, but something tells me by the end of DA2, those plans are gonna get shelved for a very long time. I could see celene considering it in Act2, but by Act 3, then no way. She's not written as reckless or foolish. This time, it's Orlais that's gonna be having alot of problems, and Ferelden, if it takes advantage of the chaos, is one of the few countries poised to come out of it all better than it was before.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
From what we learn in DA2, Ferelden might actually be safe from alot of the insanity. Midway we learn that celene is planning a reinvasion, but something tells me by the end of DA2, those plans are gonna get shelved for a very long time. I could see celene considering it in Act2, but by Act 3, then no way. She's not written as reckless or foolish. This time, it's Orlais that's gonna be having alot of problems, and Ferelden, if it takes advantage of the chaos, is one of the few countries poised to come out of it all better than it was before.

If they play it smart yes. But they also need to be vigilant and cautious. They need to start reforming now and not later. Not drastic radical reforms, no. But not too slow ones either.
The most important priority now should be to reform the army.

EDIT: Oooh and Siona is new? your avatar right?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 19 mars 2011 - 12:42 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...



If they play it smart yes. But they also need to be vigilant and cautious. They need to start reforming now and not later. Not drastic radical reforms, no. But not too slow ones either.
The most important priority now should be to reform the army.

Absolutely. It is one of the areas of centralization I agree with you on. The Bannoron simply should not be allowed to have big armies to play with. They should be reduced to more provencial guard forces. Ferelden needs a uniform national forces, like Loghain wanted, to be prepared to protect it without having to beg and plead with the idiot Banns first. Plus, it would be better equipped and better organized.  Such an army would have a much easier job repelling any outside invasion, as well as existing as a deterrent.

The Banns can have their wittle armies to keep peace and assist national forces with necessary, but nothing big enough to be a nuisance with.

EDIT: Oooh and Siona is new? your avatar right?

Yeah, been playing her for a week now, she's my lesser canon. Getting ready for the final quest, though a bug popped up I'm trying to sort out. She's a rogue asassin/duelist.

[KnightofPhoenix]

A big reason I helped the blackstone irregulars, is to "encourage" the banns to rely on mercenaries to fight each other (and the company profits as a result), while the Crown monopolizes the army.

Rogues are hot lol. If you have time, once you finish the game, I'd love to read more about her. She already caught my interest, rogue and brunette and all

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 19 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

A big reason I helped the blackstone irregulars, is to "encourage" the banns to rely on mercenaries to fight each other (and the company profits as a result), while the Crown monopolizes the army.

Yeah, that's actually a pretty good idea. Give them something to blow their fortunes away on. Never thought of it that way, but it's a good a reason as any. Usually, I just do it cuz I need the money, lol. For Siona, though, she wants to have a merc company in her pocket.

Rogues are hot lol. If you have time, once you finish the game, I'd love to read more about her. She already caught my interest, rogue and brunette and all

Haha, I will. I was playing it tonight, and the stranged fluke popped up. Post landsmeet, Alistair vanishes completely. And while you might not think that a bad thing, lol, it is for me. This is the first time it's happened, and it's really annoying, because I was on a high just after completing Slim Couldry's final quest bloodlessly (I left my party camped in the entrance while I stealthed the entire mansion and robbed it blind while killing no one, except the two guards I poined.

I came off that one, feeling like a REAL master thief, and want to get back to camp and ravish Alistair in celebration...

And he's completely vanished.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Yeah, that's actually a pretty good idea. Give them something to blow their fortunes away on. Never thought of it that way, but it's a good a reason as any. Usually, I just do it cuz I need the money, lol. For Siona, though, she wants to have a merc company in her pocket.

Pro-tip from Arcturus: you know that mercenary group Eamon hired? The one that says "If you need staff after the battle, keep us in mind"?

Have those in your pocket and weaken Eamon.

That was a freebie

I came off that one, feeling like a REAL master thief, and want to get back to camp and ravish Alistair in celebration...

And he's completely vanished.

That's really weird.I never heard something like that happen before. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Pro-tip from Arcturus: you know that mercenary group Eamon hired? The one that says "If you need staff after the battle, keep us in mind"?

Have those in your pocket and weaken Eamon.

That was a freebie

Actually, that's exactly what I did, lol. I had so much gold, I dumped tons of money into their coffers, they are the best funded of the armies. But weakening Eamon was one of them. When I learned how little in comparison Eamon was funding his mercs, I began to wonder if it showed that he was a tight bastard, or really couldn't afford to field a decent army. Though it doesn't seem to have any impact epiloguewise, it's a nifty little role-play angle.

When Siona cured Eamon and saw how quick he was to have Alistair challenge straight away as a solution to Loghain, suddenly, alot of things started clicking, and she decided Eamon was one to watch...and be careful of. Further driven home when she opened Cailan's magic chest and read the letters (While Alistair, bless his naieve but sweet heart, was completely oblivious to the implications).

That's really weird.I never heard something like that happen before. 

Been looking through my mods to see if anything might be causing it, but nothing yet.

[WhiteKnyght]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Of course. They are banns. They have to be stupid.
Though it's convenient. Arcturus LOVED that some idiots wanted to challenge him in Amaranthine. Gave him the perfect opportunity to clean house and replace the traitors with loyalists. Imagine his ecstasy when the Bann of Amaranthine city, which is crucial to him, committed suicice

I liked that I got to get rid of some of Howe's accomplices by stopping that assassination plot.