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[coinop25]

In Mass Effect 1, Saren has been implanted with cybernetics by Sovereign, and speaks about the glorious future of man and machine (etc.). His body glows from the implants throughout it.

At the beginning of Mass Effect 2, you are told that you have been rebuilt, largely through cybernetics. If you are evil, your body glows through your eyes and scars.

Is this just a coincidence? Can anybody who's read more of the codex confirm that cybernetics are supposed to be relatively common and benign, or are we supposed to be freaked out by the changes made to Shepard?

[TheGreyGhost119]

I think we are supposed to be surprised by them. I always figured that they were there to give a comparison to Renegade Shepard and Saren. They share more traits than just the cybernetics in this game...

[PingoBlack]

Implants are common in ME universe.



Saren had Nazara's implants, not a good thing which ever way you wanna look at it.

[JamieCOTC]

Cybernetics may be common in ME, but for me it was sort of an allusion to (Star Wars Spoiler Ahead) when Luke looks at his cybernetic hand in RotJ after nearly killing his father, Darth Vader. Saren is something Shepard could become, if he (or she) is not careful. Besides, Reapers are part organic and part machine and now Shepard is too. In all good stories, major things happen for a reason.

[Gill Kaiser]

So long as Shepard's cybernetics aren't Reaper tech, he should be fine. If they are (and I wouldn't put it past TIM), then I have a feeling that that may be a plot point in ME3.

[BlueShiftPS]

I'm actually very worried about this. Combined with how TIM claims that the SR2 was built using knowledge of Reaper tech gained from the leftovers of Nazara, and the fact that the ship has an onboard AI... An onboard AI which Legion looks at with marvel.



Edi is a Reaper.



In all seriousness, it's probably just intended to underscore how similar to Saren Shepard has become. Using a ton of cybernetics, flying from place to place in a sentient ship, out to get the job done at any cost... Even the xenophobia of Cerberus adds to the comparison.

[Destructo_33]

i think that cybernetics are common but not to the extent that Shepard had. His whole body was basically rebuilt so its probably more correct to say he is more a machine now

[Aisynia]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

So long as Shepard's cybernetics aren't Reaper tech, he should be fine. If they are (and I wouldn't put it past TIM), then I have a feeling that that may be a plot point in ME3.

Pretty sure they aren't. The novel coming out this summer has TIM implanting Paul Grayson with reaper tech, with the implication it's the first time. That's about all we know about the novel though.

[Console Cowboy]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Cybernetics may be common in ME, but for me it was sort of an allusion to (Star Wars Spoiler Ahead) when Luke looks at his cybernetic hand in RotJ after nearly killing his father, Darth Vader. Saren is something Shepard could become, if he (or she) is not careful. Besides, Reapers are part organic and part machine and now Shepard is too. In all good stories, major things happen for a reason.

that didn't have anything to do with cybernetics.  his bionic hand was a metaphor for his aggressive nature taking over (ie: succumbing to the Dark Side, as alluded to by the cave scene on Dagobah) . also do we really have to warn for Return of the Jedi spoilers at this point?

[Gill Kaiser]

Aisynia wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

So long as Shepard's cybernetics aren't Reaper tech, he should be fine. If they are (and I wouldn't put it past TIM), then I have a feeling that that may be a plot point in ME3.

Pretty sure they aren't. The novel coming out this summer has TIM implanting Paul Grayson with reaper tech, with the implication it's the first time. That's about all we know about the novel though.

When's the novel set? It could be set in the 2 years between ME1 and ME2, and TIM could be prototyping the technology he is planning to use on Shepard.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 14 février 2010 - 05:29 .

[marshalleck]

Regarding Shepard and Saren, with Zaeed you even get a refinery mission where it's possible to blow the place to hell, workers be damned. How's that for a parallel?

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 février 2010 - 05:34 .

[TheGreyGhost119]

marshalleck wrote...

Regarding Shepard and Saren, with Zaeed you even get a refinery mission where it's possible to blow the place to hell, workers be damned. How's that for a parallel?

That was the biggest parallel I saw, and what I was refering to in my original post.  It makes choosing the paragon path at the end SOOOO much better for me, as it makes me feel like I was able to resist the temptation Saren had.

[Bigdoser]

TheGreyGhost119 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Regarding Shepard and Saren, with Zaeed you even get a refinery mission where it's possible to blow the place to hell, workers be damned. How's that for a parallel?

That was the biggest parallel I saw, and what I was refering to in my original post.  It makes choosing the paragon path at the end SOOOO much better for me, as it makes me feel like I was able to resist the temptation Saren had.

This the paragon path in Zaeed mission is awesome.

[RequiemValorum]

I am convinced that there is reaper tech in shepard.



TIM has been quiet about his use of Reaper tech on the normandy. Edi has components in her that were directly salvaged from the wreck of Sovereign and we saw nothing of ME medicine to suggest that they could even think about bringing someone back to life, let alone succeed.



The reapers have extensive experience of re-animating a corpse. True it has only been observed as mindless husks but its still animate. Cerberus may have just tweaked the tech to bring a person with a conscious mind back.

[ABCoLD]

BlueShiftPS wrote...

I'm actually very worried about this. Combined with how TIM claims that the SR2 was built using knowledge of Reaper tech gained from the leftovers of Nazara, and the fact that the ship has an onboard AI... An onboard AI which Legion looks at with marvel.

Edi is a Reaper.

In all seriousness, it's probably just intended to underscore how similar to Saren Shepard has become. Using a ton of cybernetics, flying from place to place in a sentient ship, out to get the job done at any cost... Even the xenophobia of Cerberus adds to the comparison.

This I will look into.


Fun idea.... especially considering that they say the personality is reset when an AI moves into a new home, quite specifically said that.  If they could just excise some memories... hmmmm....

[deimosmasque]

Actually cybernetics are actually common today, they just aren't as "sci-fi" as you'd expect and aren't used to enhance but instead to normalize those with disabilities.

[jklinders]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

So long as Shepard's cybernetics aren't Reaper tech, he should be fine. If they are (and I wouldn't put it past TIM), then I have a feeling that that may be a plot point in ME3.

Did not consider that at all. EDI much of the new Normandy are based on tech scavved from Sovereign. If shepard's implants are we could be seeing in ME3 "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL":sick:

[BlueShiftPS]

jklinders wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

So long as Shepard's cybernetics aren't Reaper tech, he should be fine. If they are (and I wouldn't put it past TIM), then I have a feeling that that may be a plot point in ME3.

Did not consider that at all. EDI much of the new Normandy are based on tech scavved from Sovereign. If shepard's implants are we could be seeing in ME3 "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL":sick:

Even if they aren't...  EDI's "cyber-warfare" capabilities could probably hack into anything Cerberus put on you.  Although, as Miranda said, there's no "control chip."

Prediction for ME3:  Shepard gets incapacitated somehow (nerve gas, tranq dart, etc.), and EDI "takes direct control" of his muscle movements...

Just like Saren/Nazara.

[DeathScepter]

maybe Edi is the reprogrammed Nazara/Soverigan.

[Kileyan]

I was disappointed we didn't find cybernetic style or even body manipulation upgrades.



I remember a talk with one of the Corporation reps on that snow planet in ME1 that was full of shady cutting edge military contract corporations. One of the reps talks about their research that would enhance your reflexes and response time by 20 percent and stuff like that.



I had hopes we might go visit such people, especially if a renegade for some, as a cute dwarf would say "enhancements!"

[zeypher]

err a lot of the upgrades for shepard are cybernetics. Next time you are using the research terminal read the info on the upgrades. Sure they do not show pysically but they are cybernetics

[Spazticus]

Bear in mind here, the Medi-Bay upgrade removes your cybernetic implants, once you apply it - read the dialog. When you activate the upgrade in the medical bay, you get the following Yes/No dialog: "Permanently heal facial scarring and remove all evidence of cybernetic implants?" Doing that kind of kills any idea of Shepard being vulnerable to control via implants.

[Giantevilhead]

All biotics have implants in their brain to amplify their powers.

[NoUserNameHere]

Implants are common, though not to Shep or Sarens degree.

[Pandaman102]

Removing the evidence of something doesn't mean you've removed said something, you realize...