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[TuringPoint]

Kal'Reegar romance for Femshep?

[flem1]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

flem1 wrote...

Azriel86 wrote...

Come on. Haven't you ever been with a person that was NOTHING like you? Granted, this is not so much as two different people falling in love as it is a dog and a fish falling love, but most times different people don't work romanticly but sometimes they work because they are the right kind of different.

Sure, but there's a reason we call that "chemistry" -- it literally *is*.  Favorable hormone/pheremone reactions and all that.  Exactly what *couldn't* happen with Tali or Garrus.

Except that phermones aren't the sole factor in determining whether someone is romantically interested in another, we're not insects.

It's not a sufficient condition, but *is* a necessary one.

Frankly, the only people who can't see this are likely:  (1) guys who've never had a real life relationship (I'm guessing this covers most of the Tali-besotted here), or (2) furry-style oddballs.  Not that every Tali fan falls into the above categories, but the rest are just viewing this as pure fantasy with extreme suspension of disbelief.  And bully for them!  But that doesn't make these plots hold up any better under plausibility inspection.

[dan107]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

dan107 wrote...

The ONLY appropriate conclusion to the trilogy is for Shep to go out in a blaze of glory. Taking a character THAT much larger than life and having him hang up his guns to go off and live on a farm somewhere would just be too anti-climactic. So the question of having kids with Tali (or anyone) is probably moot.

As far as Tali and Kal'Reegar loving each other - there is absolutely nothing to suggest that they do. And I'd be very surprised if see Kal'Reegar again. At best an email from him if he's still alive.

Shepard doesn't have to die to remain as awesome as he currently is. He could just go on being a Spectre, and eventually succeed Anderson/Udina as the human Councillor.

And go from being above the law and saving all life from extinction to spending his days negotiating trade disputes and figuring out what he wants to have for lunch? A little underwhelming if you ask me.

[dan107]

flem1 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

flem1 wrote...

Azriel86 wrote...

Come on. Haven't you ever been with a person that was NOTHING like you? Granted, this is not so much as two different people falling in love as it is a dog and a fish falling love, but most times different people don't work romanticly but sometimes they work because they are the right kind of different.

Sure, but there's a reason we call that "chemistry" -- it literally *is*.  Favorable hormone/pheremone reactions and all that.  Exactly what *couldn't* happen with Tali or Garrus.

Except that phermones aren't the sole factor in determining whether someone is romantically interested in another, we're not insects.

It's not a sufficient condition, but *is* a necessary one.

Frankly, the only people who can't see this are likely:  (1) guys who've never had a real life relationship (I'm guessing this covers most of the Tali-besotted here), or (2) furry-style oddballs.  Not that every Tali fan falls into the above categories, but the rest are just viewing this as pure fantasy with extreme suspension of disbelief.  And bully for them!  But that doesn't make these plots hold up any better under plausibility inspection.

Pheromones are necessary for sexual attraction, not a romantic one. And while the two frequently go hand in hand, it's not always necessarily so. Human beings have higher order thought processes that allow us to form bonds and connections that can supercede our animal instincts. That's what makes us different from animals after all.

Modifié par dan107, 15 février 2010 - 08:33 .

[GodWood]

tonnactus wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
Shepardt also could never expect kids from Tali.So both suffer.

Without intentionally trying to make this thread go bad places, I am pretty sure there are couples in the real world who are childless and don't consider themselves to be suffering.

If you really love someone,you want to have kids with this person.

No I do not.

[st0icr4ven]

To solve this problem simply have Reeger die -smile- I don't know how this will play out in the loyalty end of it though.

[TLK Spires]

no

[st0icr4ven]

yes Reeger=DED!

[Lintire]

Kal could handle a missile launcher. That's more then just about every single crew member I've ever had has been able to say. If he made advances on Tali, I'd step out of the way for respect's sake.

[Cyvian]

Hmmm... let's see...

Reegar = Quarian soldier, through and through.

Tali = A quarian icon, in fact to the quarians Tali might be a hero like Shepard is to humanity.

No, I am not surprised by how Reegar treats Tali with such respect and doesn't second-guess her decisions. And I too don't think he's romanticaly interested in her... it's more like she is representing the very ideal he would give his life for.

Unlike Prazza, that idiot.

[DuffyMJ]

flem1 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

flem1 wrote...

Azriel86 wrote...

Come on. Haven't you ever been with a person that was NOTHING like you? Granted, this is not so much as two different people falling in love as it is a dog and a fish falling love, but most times different people don't work romanticly but sometimes they work because they are the right kind of different.

Sure, but there's a reason we call that "chemistry" -- it literally *is*.  Favorable hormone/pheremone reactions and all that.  Exactly what *couldn't* happen with Tali or Garrus.

Except that phermones aren't the sole factor in determining whether someone is romantically interested in another, we're not insects.

It's not a sufficient condition, but *is* a necessary one.

Frankly, the only people who can't see this are likely:  (1) guys who've never had a real life relationship (I'm guessing this covers most of the Tali-besotted here), or (2) furry-style oddballs.  Not that every Tali fan falls into the above categories, but the rest are just viewing this as pure fantasy with extreme suspension of disbelief.  And bully for them!  But that doesn't make these plots hold up any better under plausibility inspection.

I really think you need to take a chill pill and realize this is a fictional story and not some ridiculous anti-bestiality soap-box. If you want naturalistic fiction with slice-of-life realism and verisimilitude, perhaps you should go watch Primer or play ArmA or flight simulator or something.

Sometimes I really wish I lived before the enlightenment and the inevitable age of arm chair science experts.  Must have been great for Homer and Virgil to have been able to write about women screwing horse-men and the like without nerdy jerks snickering and going  "ugh! That is sooo unrealistic!"

Human beings have, like the other guy said, a higher order than biology or instinct in our ability to form bonds.  We can become infatuated with inanimate objects or even ideas or, through reification, we can even become attached to abstractions.

Modifié par DuffyMJ, 15 février 2010 - 09:48 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

flem1 wrote...
It's not a sufficient condition, but *is* a necessary one.

No it's not. I could be sexually attracted to a picture of a model, and I'm sure there are no pheremones involved in that.  What determines sexual attraction w/ people is more complex than you suggest and this still doesn't cover romantic attraction.

Frankly, the only people who can't see this are likely:  (1) guys who've never had a real life relationship (I'm guessing this covers most of the Tali-besotted here), or (2) furry-style oddballs. 

Or... maybe they are people who have had experience in real relationships and know "Hey I wasn't attracted to so and so because they were musty that day".

[Naltair]

Cyvian wrote...

Hmmm... let's see...

Reegar = Quarian soldier, through and through.

Tali = A quarian icon, in fact to the quarians Tali might be a hero like Shepard is to humanity.

No, I am not surprised by how Reegar treats Tali with such respect and doesn't second-guess her decisions. And I too don't think he's romanticaly interested in her... it's more like she is representing the very ideal he would give his life for.

Unlike Prazza, that idiot.

Pretty much how I see it, she must be at the very least a quarian celebrity and icon, even more so after the events of Mass Effect 1.

Kal just seems like a very loyal marine, who believes in what he does.

[Hepzi3]

I hope:



Tali gets with Reegar/ Garrus

Miranda gets back with Jacob

Garrus gets with Jack



From there, I dont know.

[huntrrz]

screwoffreg wrote...

I think it depends on the kind of Shepard.  Renegade Shepard probably shoots both Reegar and Tali like Tony Montana in Scarface.  Paragon Shepard would be broken and likely fly a ship into the Sun.

H*ll, no!  Paragon Shepard either gives Tali away or stands as Best Man, proud to be part of the happiest day of her life!

(That's the PARAGON way!)

[dan107]

huntrrz wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I think it depends on the kind of Shepard.  Renegade Shepard probably shoots both Reegar and Tali like Tony Montana in Scarface.  Paragon Shepard would be broken and likely fly a ship into the Sun.

H*ll, no!  Paragon Shepard either gives Tali away or stands as Best Man, proud to be part of the happiest day of her life!

(That's the PARAGON way!)

That's the PU*SY way!

[screwoffreg]

dan107 wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I think it depends on the kind of Shepard.  Renegade Shepard probably shoots both Reegar and Tali like Tony Montana in Scarface.  Paragon Shepard would be broken and likely fly a ship into the Sun.

H*ll, no!  Paragon Shepard either gives Tali away or stands as Best Man, proud to be part of the happiest day of her life!

(That's the PARAGON way!)

That's the PU*SY way!

Yeah, my Shepard is from the mean streets of Earth. Vatos Locos for life, and no one, NO ONE takes his girl.  Blood in...blood out!!!

[Jobrill]

I'm pretty much a Tali/Kal'reegar shipper on any playthrough where my Shepard does not romance Shepard. I think it's pretty obvious they both have, at the least, an admiration for each other than could easily turn to love, and is already at least an attraction on Kal'reegar's part.



That said, I think Kal'reegar's too proper and disciplined to go for another man's lady. I don't think he'll offer any direct opposition.



Though given the immense physiological differences between humans and quarians, I can't deny I've thought Tali might be better off with Kal anyway. I think she and Shepard CAN make it work, but it isn't going to be easy.

[huntrrz]

dan107 wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I think it depends on the kind of Shepard.  Renegade Shepard probably shoots both Reegar and Tali like Tony Montana in Scarface.  Paragon Shepard would be broken and likely fly a ship into the Sun.

H*ll, no!  Paragon Shepard either gives Tali away or stands as Best Man, proud to be part of the happiest day of her life!

(That's the PARAGON way!)

That's the PU*SY way!

MOCKING is NOT the PARAGON way, young Padawan...  

[screwoffreg]

Jobrill wrote...

I'm pretty much a Tali/Kal'reegar shipper on any playthrough where my Shepard does not romance Shepard. I think it's pretty obvious they both have, at the least, an admiration for each other than could easily turn to love, and is already at least an attraction on Kal'reegar's part.

That said, I think Kal'reegar's too proper and disciplined to go for another man's lady. I don't think he'll offer any direct opposition.

Though given the immense physiological differences between humans and quarians, I can't deny I've thought Tali might be better off with Kal anyway. I think she and Shepard CAN make it work, but it isn't going to be easy.

It wasn't easy for Arwen to give up her immortality for Aragorn, but she did.  What is hers she freely gives.  I just await the slow decline of Tali in ME 3 as Dark Energy interferes with her lifeforce.  Her only hope is that Sau...I mean Harbringer is defeated.

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

This thread is blasphemy. If Kal'Reegar tries anything in ME3, I'll go back to ME2 and kill him off, simple as that.

[flem1]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

flem1 wrote...
It's not a sufficient condition, but *is* a necessary one.

No it's not. I could be sexually attracted to a picture of a model, and I'm sure there are no pheremones involved in that.  What determines sexual attraction w/ people is more complex than you suggest and this still doesn't cover romantic attraction.

All I've been talking about is romantic attraction.  There's a reason why people obsessed with porn or their realdolls or dolphin sex or whatnot are freaks, and why even after long internet "acquaintance" a first actual meeting is crucial:  the biological bond is the sine qua non of a healthy romantic relationship.  The rest is fantasy.

I preferred ME when it was semi-plausible SF, not fantasy.

[Pacifien]

There is definitely a mutual respect between Kal'Reegar and Tali. She specifically asks you to take care of him on your way to her on Haestrom. And I love her asking him to just call her Tali and his complete inability to do so, as if he thinks she's in a class above him. Which is fodder for every love story, so if they want to get it on in the future, that's cool. I could almost see the same thing/same reasons between Garrus and a female Shepherd.



In the end, I want Tali to be with her people. She is the best of them, and once we save the galaxy, she can continue to save her entire civilization.

[Naltair]

I like how many people's response is to go back and kill him. Such a pleasant galaxy we live in.

[madisk]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Even if she was romanced, I really think she'll be better off with Kal'Reegar than with maleShepard - first off all they can actually eat the same foods... plus Tali really loves her people, she wants to make life for her people better, and that means eventually she will want to return to her people...

Shepard can only really offer her a life of problems and pain and unfulfilled dreams.

I love her people too. What's your point?