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[Malificis]

Kosmiker wrote...

If romance is the only way you remember how to get immersion with a character then I'm afraid you failed.

Imagine for once that Shepard would like to develop a friendship instead of a romance, obviously there's only so much effort a Dev can put into the game, it will always be limited and sometimes something doesn't make the cut. Therefore it's very important to keep the overall interaction between squadmates very well balanced. We can't only demand romances, and with that in mind I support some of the pointviews mentioned by the OP.

We should first of all wish a very good main plot with a very good balance between the type of interaction between squadmates (and squadmates between themselves since that didn't happened in ME2 too often).

making progress,
more smart people posting here and i wont despair as much.

[Jake71887]

abisha wrote...

o yea, i getting old...it's not the same as a FPS o.0
even have tatics, no really... what if i only use a sniper rifle then it's a FPS
as for romance it's give a nice edge, more realistic gameplay.
not that i play ME for the romance, hack even BG have better romantic story

One small part of gameplay does not lock a game into a genre sir. And considering the FPS aspect is about a 1000 times smaller than the RPG, I find it ridiculous you wouldn't call it an RPG but veryc learly think it's a FPS... 

[Tiercel24]

This is Bioware's M.O. I think they know how to develop games with romances in them and not sacrifice other things. Romances are very important to most players of Bioware games. I can understand your concern but don't forget this is what Bioware does.

[Spinnazie]

abisha wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

abisha wrote...

sorry but this game is far away of being a RPG..
it's only a FPS with some elements of "talking"
hack even ME1 was a better RPG

You do know FPS means First Person Shooter right? 

wow you claiming this game is a RPG????
and yes this is just a first person shooter game, if you like it or not

You're not very intelligent are you?

[Malificis]

RhythmlessNinja wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG. Sure the romances are nice but why are people so obsessed with them? 
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG. It has a decent story and very good gameplay.
The characters need to be deep and interesting sure but if the community goes on too much about romance sub-plots. There will be a price. The price will be paid by the other elements of the game and the characters we like so much will be too love-sim orientated.
It annoyed me enough already that this has caused such things as Garrus being actually fairly boring if you AREN'T femshep and romancing him. That shoudn't happen!
Getting ridiculous! Sure Tali is a good character but 19000 replies by people who for a large part seem a little...deprived, all calling for a huge Tali romance in ME3? If that happens, the aforementioned price will be high. Even as i write this I think my mere non pro-Tali stance will result in me being flamed by the legion of 15 year old Tali-Obsessives when I am raising a highly important issue.
I don't want Mass Effect to be ruined because people want in-game sex so much. The romances are a good thing but they should not be taken too far. This is not a complaint about explicitness or nudity (I laughed a lot at Miranda "riding" Shepherd fully clothed), but about the loss of other content due to fans wanting more sex.
Must be some people noticing this disturbing trend ;s

I'm sorry but all I see is assumption after assumption. Romance in the game is a very small fraction of the rest of it. If people like that part of game, doesn't make em any less of a person. Hell, do you know these "19000 repliers"? I can tell you that I do enjoy the tali romance because it's well written, while not expressing as some people on the forums do. And my girlfriend enjoys...jacob....but so what? It's a damn game, meant for entertainment. If enjoying part of the game is wrong, then hey...keep it to yourself. Nobody needs to hear how you ASSUME everyone masterbates to some pixels. Oh yeah, and we're all supposedly 15, cool story bro.

And before you going giving bioware **** about sex scenes & whatnot they have the tamest of just about any game with them in it. If thats the art direction they decided to choose, I have no problem with it. If you want to see some naked pixels, God of war & Heavy Rain this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Should think before you talk, I'm not flaming you because anything in the game, just annoyed that you drop all these assumptions, when in reality you know very little about the people on the forums. Bioware isn't stupid, just like both mass effects, romance will be playing a small part in the next. Just because fans enjoy it alot doesnt mean they are going to just drop everything & turn this into some kind of love sim.

I suppose you could argue my assumptions are a little aggressive but it gets me noticed. Sorry, thread enlargement tactic. Controversy etc...
Again, you miss the point. I LIKE ROMANCES IN MASS EFFECT 1/2. AND DAO. THEY ARE GOOD. (get it now?)
BUT I don't want it going too far. So many people going crazy about romances and demanding more will get Bioware's attention. This "more" will come at a cost in development processes. I'd rather have Bioware focus on the story and non-romance character depth than add more opportunities for ingame sex.

Oh and on the sex scenes front, this is going off topic but i will say it anyway. Doesn't have to have nudity to be erotic. I could design a great tame sex scene with Miranda/Shepherd. Though it wouldnt be hard (engine room floor with FUNNY direction, anyone?)

[Kwonnern]

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG.
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG.

A game does not need to be a love-sim to have romance/love in it.

A RPG is a Role Playing Game.

There are many different roles you can play in RPGs, the only thing dictating / limiting what kind is the creators/developers of the story.

RPGs does not have to have romance, but can have it. RPGs does not have to have inventories you can fill with myriads of weapons, but they can have it.

Just because you might have enjoyed a certain game in the genre, does not mean every game needs to follow suite.

RPGs can be very different from another.

[Jake71887]

Kwonnern wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG.
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG.

A game does not need to be a love-sim to have romance/love in it.

A RPG is a Role Playing Game.

There are many different roles you can play in RPGs, the only thing dictating / limiting what kind is the creators/developers of the story.

RPGs does not have to have romance, but can have it. RPGs does not have to have inventories you can fill with myriads of weapons, but they can have it.

Just because you might have enjoyed a certain game in the genre, does not mean every game needs to follow suite.

RPGs can be very different from another.

RPGs don't even need to have dialogue choices... CRAZY I KNOW! 

[joeymtl]

Malificis wrote...

joeymtl wrote...

I enjoy the romances and want them to stay there but you guys missed the OP's point. Developing a game is about ressources (people and money) and time. We may have had an even better general story or better gameplay or bigger areas to explore if the ressources used on romances were put somewhere else.

All the wrting, programming, animations, recordings, for romances uses a big chunk of ressources.

WOW SOMEONE GETS IT.
Yes. Things are about money and development time/cost.
The insanity surrounding obsessive-romance/sex-lust on these forums make me afraid as to what Bioware will do.
The 19000 page tali-obsessive thread WILL have an effect on ME3's development. I do not want it to be a detrimental one.
ME2 was fantastic and is one of my favourite games ever with a good balance here. But I do not want ME3 turning into some love-sim.

I wouldn't worry too much. I consider myself a Tali fan. While I certainly enjoy her character, I wouldn't play the game if it was not a great shooter or if the story was ****, and I'm sure most Tali fans feels the same. I was fairly disapointed with a lot of non-romance things in ME2 and I voiced it much more than my apreciation for Tali.

Modifié par joeymtl, 14 février 2010 - 05:29 .

[SmokePants]

The responses illustrate that people around here have the cognitive function of a grape.

This thread is about people putting the cart before the horse and wanting ME3/ME2 DLC to revolve around romance. It is in no way denouncing love as a feature and a tool to leverage player emotion.

But I guess if one is too imbecilic to understand the true function of romance in the series, they were bound to be unable to take the point of this thread in the manner it was intended. Go figure.

Anyway, there's nothing to worry about. BioWare is smart -- brilliant even. They don't make a living entertaining the nitwit ideas that get floated around here on a daily basis.

[Doug84]

Jake71887 wrote...

abisha wrote...

sorry but this game is far away of being a RPG..
it's only a FPS with some elements of "talking"
hack even ME1 was a better RPG

You do know FPS means First Person Shooter right? 

Yes, there is a more harmful and annoying group who think that Me 1 was somehow an RPG even those that was as much an FPS as ME2, and then declare ME2 'not an RPG' because they dared to take out the crap bits.

Anywho, as for the OP, I think you'll get flamed... not for 'being non-pro-Tali', but because you'll slinging mud at everyone who likes the romance threads. Seriously, what harm are the Tali and Garrus threads doing to you? And on top of that, its not '15 year old boys' who like her, apparently:

http://social.biowar...743/polls/1811/

The largest group are 20-23 year olds, with 17-19 old year olds and 24-28 year olds making up the bulk of the rest. And this is on a bias forum (the older you are, the more likely  you are to have a job or heavy studies, preventing you from being on the forum).

[Sialboats]

Who's obessing?

All I see are a bunch of nobodies who have taken things too far.

[Jake71887]

SmokePants wrote...

But I guess if one is too imbecilic to understand the true function of romance in the series, they were bound to be unable to take the point of this thread in the manner it was intended. Go figure.

because the in game romance was tutoring people in the comprehension of whine threads.. Amazing. 

[StuartMarshall]

The romance seems empty and pointless to me. I suppose "taming" Jack a bit has some added meaning but I could do without the romance easily. Would prefer some deep philosophical conversations to be honest, prolly not suited to target audience though?

[Kosmiker]

SmokePants wrote...

Anyway, there's nothing to worry about. BioWare is smart -- brilliant even. They don't make a living entertaining the nitwit ideas that get floated around here on a daily basis.

I'll say ME3 will be a challenging test for BioWare... hope you're right SmokePants.

[Malificis]

Tiercel24 wrote...

This is Bioware's M.O. I think they know how to develop games with romances in them and not sacrifice other things. Romances are very important to most players of Bioware games. I can understand your concern but don't forget this is what Bioware does.

Yeah good comment. Its fine as it is. I don't want to see the balance shift to the point where things are being sacrificed though. And they are already being sacrificed. Yes, they are. Garrus lack of development in nonromanceable is an example.
Compare to DAO.
Dao romancable: Morrigan/Alistair/Zevran/Leliana. Huge NON-LOVE based character development especially on Morrigan.
ME2: Garrus/Miranda/Jack/Kelly/Jacob/Thane/Morinth/Tali. If you do not romance, you lose out on any of these in dialogue. There are more of them = more development process required at the expense of other areas.
disturbing trend.

[Doug84]

Spin****e wrote...

abisha wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

abisha wrote...

sorry but this game is far away of being a RPG..
it's only a FPS with some elements of "talking"
hack even ME1 was a better RPG

You do know FPS means First Person Shooter right? 

wow you claiming this game is a RPG????
and yes this is just a first person shooter game, if you like it or not

You're not very intelligent are you?

That or he's 5, judging by the lack of capitals, punctuation or sentence structure. That and his general attitude of ****iness.

[Malificis]

Doug84 wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

abisha wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

abisha wrote...

sorry but this game is far away of being a RPG..
it's only a FPS with some elements of "talking"
hack even ME1 was a better RPG

You do know FPS means First Person Shooter right? 

wow you claiming this game is a RPG????
and yes this is just a first person shooter game, if you like it or not

You're not very intelligent are you?

That or he's 5, judging by the lack of capitals, punctuation or sentence structure. That and his general attitude of ****iness.

people please stay on topic or take it to another thread. thanks.

[Gill Kaiser]

Spin****e wrote...

abisha wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

abisha wrote...

sorry but this game is far away of being a RPG..
it's only a FPS with some elements of "talking"
hack even ME1 was a better RPG

You do know FPS means First Person Shooter right? 

wow you claiming this game is a RPG????
and yes this is just a first person shooter game, if you like it or not

You're not very intelligent are you?

This is classic.

Anyway, in response to the OP, I see your point... but really, Bioware is only catering to their fanbase. Romances have been popular features of Bioware RPGs since Baldur's Gate, and as you have seen, they're something people feel very strongly about. If they make so many people happy, who are you to say that resources would have been better spent elsewhere?

[Jake71887]

Malificis wrote...

Yeah good comment. Its fine as it is. I don't want to see the balance shift to the point where things are being sacrificed though. And they are already being sacrificed. Yes, they are. Garrus lack of development in nonromanceable is an example.
Compare to DAO.
Dao romancable: Morrigan/Alistair/Zevran/Leliana. Huge NON-LOVE based character development especially on Morrigan.
ME2: Garrus/Miranda/Jack/Kelly/Jacob/Thane/Morinth/Tali. If you do not romance, you lose out on any of these in dialogue. There are more of them = more development process required at the expense of other areas.
disturbing trend.

Like I said before though, they were done by two different teams... Overdevelopment in one area does not necessarily apply tot he trend of another... Different writers=different game outcomes. 

[RhythmlessNinja]

Malificis wrote...

RhythmlessNinja wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG. Sure the romances are nice but why are people so obsessed with them? 
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG. It has a decent story and very good gameplay.
The characters need to be deep and interesting sure but if the community goes on too much about romance sub-plots. There will be a price. The price will be paid by the other elements of the game and the characters we like so much will be too love-sim orientated.
It annoyed me enough already that this has caused such things as Garrus being actually fairly boring if you AREN'T femshep and romancing him. That shoudn't happen!
Getting ridiculous! Sure Tali is a good character but 19000 replies by people who for a large part seem a little...deprived, all calling for a huge Tali romance in ME3? If that happens, the aforementioned price will be high. Even as i write this I think my mere non pro-Tali stance will result in me being flamed by the legion of 15 year old Tali-Obsessives when I am raising a highly important issue.
I don't want Mass Effect to be ruined because people want in-game sex so much. The romances are a good thing but they should not be taken too far. This is not a complaint about explicitness or nudity (I laughed a lot at Miranda "riding" Shepherd fully clothed), but about the loss of other content due to fans wanting more sex.
Must be some people noticing this disturbing trend ;s

I'm sorry but all I see is assumption after assumption. Romance in the game is a very small fraction of the rest of it. If people like that part of game, doesn't make em any less of a person. Hell, do you know these "19000 repliers"? I can tell you that I do enjoy the tali romance because it's well written, while not expressing as some people on the forums do. And my girlfriend enjoys...jacob....but so what? It's a damn game, meant for entertainment. If enjoying part of the game is wrong, then hey...keep it to yourself. Nobody needs to hear how you ASSUME everyone masterbates to some pixels. Oh yeah, and we're all supposedly 15, cool story bro.

And before you going giving bioware **** about sex scenes & whatnot they have the tamest of just about any game with them in it. If thats the art direction they decided to choose, I have no problem with it. If you want to see some naked pixels, God of war & Heavy Rain this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Should think before you talk, I'm not flaming you because anything in the game, just annoyed that you drop all these assumptions, when in reality you know very little about the people on the forums. Bioware isn't stupid, just like both mass effects, romance will be playing a small part in the next. Just because fans enjoy it alot doesnt mean they are going to just drop everything & turn this into some kind of love sim.

I suppose you could argue my assumptions are a little aggressive but it gets me noticed. Sorry, thread enlargement tactic. Controversy etc...
Again, you miss the point. I LIKE ROMANCES IN MASS EFFECT 1/2. AND DAO. THEY ARE GOOD. (get it now?)
BUT I don't want it going too far. So many people going crazy about romances and demanding more will get Bioware's attention. This "more" will come at a cost in development processes. I'd rather have Bioware focus on the story and non-romance character depth than add more opportunities for ingame sex.

Oh and on the sex scenes front, this is going off topic but i will say it anyway. Doesn't have to have nudity to be erotic. I could design a great tame sex scene with Miranda/Shepherd. Though it wouldnt be hard (engine room floor with FUNNY direction, anyone?)

Trust me, I understood exactly what you meant by your first post. Which is why I clearly stated at the very end that bioware isn't stupid enough to do that. The romance options are there to add depth to the characters(just like 90% of rpgs), whether you're male shep, or female shep while i do agree they dropped the ball with the "no romance no dialogue" deal. At no point did I say, you didn't like the romance. The people on the forums are just using the forum as intended, communication. Like we are, while some might not be as civil as others, still that's what it's here for. 

[Doug84]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

abisha wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

abisha wrote...

sorry but this game is far away of being a RPG..
it's only a FPS with some elements of "talking"
hack even ME1 was a better RPG

You do know FPS means First Person Shooter right? 

wow you claiming this game is a RPG????
and yes this is just a first person shooter game, if you like it or not

You're not very intelligent are you?

This is classic.

Anyway, in response to the OP, I see your point... but really, Bioware is only catering to their fanbase. Romances have been popular features of Bioware RPGs since Baldur's Gate, and as you have seen, they're something people feel very strongly about. If they make so many people happy, who are you to say that resources would have been better spent elsewhere?

Very true! Romance subplots have been apart of Bioware games since...well, ever. If anything, they are one of the few parts of their games they've not really worked on much, in terms of innovations - obviously, the cutscenes always require work to bring to life.

[SarEnyaDor]

I think there are so many threads (both complaining and begging) because excpectations were high for ME2 - and frankly the game fell a little short in some respects.

I blame Dragon Age. It was awesome with the level of character interaction (friendship, romance, and relationships between the supporting cast as well) and I, personally, was thinking that ME2 was going to at least meet this mark.

I didn't take into account that the games were actually written by different teams, so my own inflated sense of what to expect lead to my disappointment, coupled with the fact that I am a female gamer who actually ISN'T interested in inter-species relations.

I'm hopeful that ME3 will balance out things, give us more friendship options, and maybe give our ME1 LI's something better than a b*tch-slapping cameo.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 14 février 2010 - 05:40 .

[Malificis]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

abisha wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

abisha wrote...

sorry but this game is far away of being a RPG..
it's only a FPS with some elements of "talking"
hack even ME1 was a better RPG

You do know FPS means First Person Shooter right? 

wow you claiming this game is a RPG????
and yes this is just a first person shooter game, if you like it or not

You're not very intelligent are you?

This is classic.

Anyway, in response to the OP, I see your point... but really, Bioware is only catering to their fanbase. Romances have been popular features of Bioware RPGs since Baldur's Gate, and as you have seen, they're something people feel very strongly about. If they make so many people happy, who are you to say that resources would have been better spent elsewhere?

AUHGEIOUHREGUHGE
I LIKE THE ROMANCES. For the now, 5th time.
I just don't want it to go too far. I played BG1 and 2.
I am starting to see things which have been left underdeveloped due to a constantly increasing focus on love and sex opportunities for the main character. I do not like this. The balance is OK in ME2 I feel like its moving to lose said balance in favour of romance options. I feel a main reason of this is stuff LIKE the Tali thread.

[Jake71887]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm hopeful that ME3 will balance out things, give us more friendship options, and maybe give our ME1 LI's something better than a b*tch-slapping cameo.

ME1 LI are already guaranteed to have a large role in ME3, I'm just hoping that some of the ME2 characters don't get sidelined(And no not just the LI's).