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[Eradyn]

Malificis wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

I get what you're saying. I disagree. I'd like to see more realistic integration of the romances in ME3. Not necessarily a "Love-Sim," but for the LI and NPC's to at least reflect the change in relationship status. In ME2, it's rather jarring how the LI goes back to pre-Omega 4 relay dialogue after you've consummated the relationship. It would be nice to see a little more continuity.

In ME3, I'd like to see a greater integration of relationships in the game. I want there to be inter-squad dynamics, I want the LI and romance-status to somehow be incorporated in the game. For example, LI's use slightly different dialogue when speaking with the PC during scenes than they would if you were just friends.

Conversely, I'd love it if there were viable paths of interacting on different relationship levels, not just as lovers. People should be able to take a "friendship" path or a "detached but professional" path, or even an "enemies/rival" path and have that NPC interactions and dialogue change slightly to reflect this.

In short: My desire is for a more realistic incorporation and reflection of the player's status with NPC's (and LI's in particular). I thought DA:O did a fabulous job of going in the right direction, and I sincerely hope ME3 reflects a progression over that game (granted they are made by two different teams). No, romances shouldn't be the core focus, but relationships ARE hallmarks of BW games, and I just want to see them take the next step.

NPCs far deeper in DAO. This was great.
Romances are also a good thing. There are many who seemingly want them to be the "core focus" and this is what i am afraid of.
But what you mention will take unbelieveable amounts of work and budget. Not sure its worth it compared to alternatives.

My concerns are primarily for the RPG aspects of the game.  I love RPG's and were ME not an RPG I wouldn't be here.  Romances and (more importantly) "relationships" in general are integral to RPG's, which are far more than menus and inventory.  Believable relationships (including on a romantic/LI level) are important for the immersive quality of an RPG.  It is a worthy investment since it only further bolsters the game's story-telling quality.  Yes, what I'm wanting will require a good chunk of the budget and require more effort, but I feel the end-results (a far more impressive, believable, immersive RPG world) would make it worth it.  Relationships are the hallmark of BW games, it would benefit them to improve on this, I believe.

Again, not to say that ME3 should turn into a love story with some other aspects tacked on, but a believable, "organic" love story and friendships (and other degrees of a relationship) should certainly be incorporated and weaved into the game's overarching story branches.  I believe ME3 would be stronger for it when the alternative is flat(ter?) character interaction with little to no payoff or immersive value.

Modifié par Eradyn, 14 février 2010 - 05:41 .

[Malificis]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I think there are so many threads (both complaining and begging) because excpectations were high for ME2 - and frankly the game fell a little short in some respects.

I blame Dragon Age. It was awesome with the level of character interaction (friendship, romance, and relationships between the supporting cast as well) and I, personally, was thinking that ME@ was going to at least meet this mark.

I didn't take into account that the games were actually written by different teams, so my own inflated sense of what to expect lead to my disappointment, coupled with the fact that I am a female gamer who actually ISN'T interested inter-species relations.

I'm hopeful that ME3 will balance out things, give us more friendship options, and maybe give our ME1 LI's something better than a b*tch-slapping cameo.

Indeed DAO set the bar insanely high. Too much focus on old LIs will lead to a lack of development on other aspects! Do not want.

[Kwonnern]

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG.
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG.

A game does not need to be a love-sim to have romance/love in it.

A RPG is a Role Playing Game.

There
are many different roles you can play in RPGs, the only thing dictating
/ limiting what kind is the creators/developers of the story.

RPGs
does not have to have romance, but can have it. RPGs does not have to
have inventories you can fill with myriads of weapons, but they can
have it.

Just because you might have enjoyed a certain game in the genre, does not mean every game needs to follow suite.

If Developer_X wants to have romances in their RPG, there will be romances, if Developer_Y does not want to have romances in their RPG, there will be none.

RPGs can be very different from another.

[Jarcander]

Malificis wrote...

Again, you miss the point. I LIKE ROMANCES IN MASS EFFECT 1/2. AND DAO. THEY ARE GOOD. (get it now?)
BUT I don't want it going too far. So many people going crazy about romances and demanding more will get Bioware's attention.

Ah, I see. You don't like extroverts, self-expressive, easily excitable people? Some people just like immerse themselves into the experience. Have some faith in good 'ld Bioware. They are not going to design their game based on forum popularity.

Also, I think I'll make another topic of Kelly and the fishes to make sure they make it to ME3. Yesh, they'll DO IT for sure.

[Malificis]

Jarcander wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Again, you miss the point. I LIKE ROMANCES IN MASS EFFECT 1/2. AND DAO. THEY ARE GOOD. (get it now?)
BUT I don't want it going too far. So many people going crazy about romances and demanding more will get Bioware's attention.

Ah, I see. You don't like extroverts, self-expressive, easily excitable people? Some people just like immerse themselves into the experience. Have some faith in good 'ld Bioware. They are not going to design their game based on forum popularity.

Also, I think I'll make another topic of Kelly and the fishes to make sure they make it to ME3. Yesh, they'll DO IT for sure.

Rofl I dont like self-expressive people? Am i not making a forum thread and arguing? How ridiculous a comment. That would be amusingly ironic. I am an extrovert -,- but easily excitable people annoy me sometimes. They dont think things through.
Hmm i hope you are right. I have faith in Bioware to listen to its fans as well though. Commercial success is based on what your fans want. commercial success is the at the heart of any developer's aims. If they listen to these forums too much you'll get Mass Effect: The OC - Tali Edition.

Modifié par Malificis, 14 février 2010 - 05:45 .

[Jake71887]

Malificis wrote...

Rofl I dont like self-expressive people? Am i not making a forum thread and arguing? How ridiculous a comment. That would be amusingly ironic. I am an extrovert -,- but easily excitable people annoy me sometimes. They dont think things through. 
Hmm i hope you are right. I have faith in Bioware to listen to its fans as well though. Commercial success is based on what your fans want. commercial success is the at the heart of any developer's aims. If they listen to these forums too much you'll get Mass Effect: The OC - Tali Edition.

Bioware makes the game they want, not the game you wish you had, or the game the fans cry for... They already know what game they want ME3 to be, so relax.. Or don't and keep freaking out that it might be a dating sim for no reason.

[McBeath]

"AUHGEIOUHREGUHGE
I LIKE THE ROMANCES. For the now, 5th time.
I just don't want it to go too far. I played BG1 and 2.
I am starting to see things which have been left underdeveloped due to a constantly increasing focus on love and sex opportunities for the main character. I do not like this. The balance is OK in ME2 I feel like its moving to lose said balance in favour of romance options. I feel a main reason of this is stuff LIKE the Tali thread. "

BG1 and 2 were really well done, though outdated.  I do agree that there seems to be a strange obsession will "alien sex" and I'm not really sure were it comes from, though to each thier own.

I personally do like the romance option as long as it furthers the story.  If I feel it's well done or necessary to include nudity for example, do it.  But only if it furthers the plot.  I don't really NEED to see a computer generated sex scene, and would be very ashamed of myself if I did.  Right now they are well done, my first playthrough I was concerned at the end when Miranda took fire and nearly fell off the platform, I was like "oh crap, Shepard ain't gonna like this", but it was more like watching a movie to me(which is the intent of BIOWARE I think). 

A little more dialoge would be nice with the characters, if it would help me identify with them more, though it's pretty good.  I don't understand the need for people to LOVE Tali in the way that they do, though I think BIOWARE will always cater to thier fans.  Please leave the Tali fans alone, try not to instigate them.... they're and angry, sexually frustrated bunch(probibly has something to do with not seeing her face....)  Just kidding.

Modifié par McBeath, 14 février 2010 - 05:48 .

[Doug84]

Malificis wrote...

Again, you miss the point. I LIKE ROMANCES IN MASS EFFECT 1/2. AND DAO. THEY ARE GOOD. (get it now?)
BUT I don't want it going too far. So many people going crazy about romances and demanding more will get Bioware's attention.

Dude, if you didn't want people to start flaming you about this, you shouldn't have flamed them first with the "Obsessive 15 year old" comments in the OP - what did you call it? Enlargement tactics, controverses, etc.

They might have flamed you anyways, but probably not.

Anywho, what was I saying. Ah yeah, I reckon if Bioware have managed to keep romance in their games since the dawn of their games, they'll keep it going - if anything, they might wanna work out a way to improve it alittle. If their willing to work on non-core components of the game, why not this one? Not sure what they could do different, but I'm not working for Bioware, so its not my job

[Legbiter]

I thought the romances in ME2 were done just right. Not too flippant but neither too goddamn cloying either. Medium rare in fact.



I understand the OP's headscratching over some of the more, er,.....eclectic tastes (yes Taliacs I'm looking at you) certain posters have exhibited, but I think 90% of that is just teenagers being well, teenagers. I fully trust Bioware not to turn ME3 into Mass Effect: Loveboat Commander.

[McBeath]

Legbiter wrote...

I thought the romances in ME2 were done just right. Not too flippant but neither too goddamn cloying either. Medium rare in fact.

I understand the OP's headscratching over some of the more, er,.....eclectic tastes (yes Taliacs I'm looking at you) certain posters have exhibited, but I think 90% of that is just teenagers being well, teenagers. I fully trust Bioware not to turn ME3 into Mass Effect: Loveboat Commander.

Wait, you mean to say you've never asked your wife to dress up like a quarian and try to seduce you for Valentines day?  I'm the only one?  Hmmm... maybe that's why I'm gonna be sleeping on the couch, and I just thought she was crazy.

[WilliamShatner]

I think Philip Jose Farmer should be lead writer on ME3. It would be much better.

[Jake71887]

McBeath wrote...

Wait, you mean to say you've never asked your wife to dress up like a quarian and try to seduce you for Valentines day?  I'm the only one?  Hmmm... maybe that's why I'm gonna be sleeping on the couch, and I just thought she was crazy.

No, no, I'm pretty sure she's just crazy. 

[Malificis]

Legbiter wrote...

I thought the romances in ME2 were done just right. Not too flippant but neither too goddamn cloying either. Medium rare in fact.

I understand the OP's headscratching over some of the more, er,.....eclectic tastes (yes Taliacs I'm looking at you) certain posters have exhibited, but I think 90% of that is just teenagers being well, teenagers. I fully trust Bioware not to turn ME3 into Mass Effect: Loveboat Commander.

Dont care if they want to screw tali or not. irrelevant as long as bioware doesnt take it seriously.
Lol at loveboat commander.
yeah hope you are right. i suppose i should just leave it here and trust bioware to do the right thing, not just the ultrapopulist one. but still i am worried. money > all ;s

[Gill Kaiser]

Doug84 wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Again, you miss the point. I LIKE ROMANCES IN MASS EFFECT 1/2. AND DAO. THEY ARE GOOD. (get it now?)
BUT I don't want it going too far. So many people going crazy about romances and demanding more will get Bioware's attention.

Dude, if you didn't want people to start flaming you about this, you shouldn't have flamed them first with the "Obsessive 15 year old" comments in the OP - what did you call it? Enlargement tactics, controverses, etc.

They might have flamed you anyways, but probably not.

Anywho, what was I saying. Ah yeah, I reckon if Bioware have managed to keep romance in their games since the dawn of their games, they'll keep it going - if anything, they might wanna work out a way to improve it alittle. If their willing to work on non-core components of the game, why not this one? Not sure what they could do different, but I'm not working for Bioware, so its not my job

If I read correctly, what the OP really wants is more non-romance dialogue with romanceable squadmates. A viable friendship path. I agree with that, it's something I noticed was sorely lacking with Miranda, Garrus and especially Jack.

For ME3, the devs should take some tips from the Dragon Age team, as the romance and friendship paths for that game were top-notch.

[Jake71887]

Malificis wrote...

Dont care if they want to screw tali or not. irrelevant as long as bioware doesnt take it seriously.
Lol at loveboat commander.
yeah hope you are right. i suppose i should just leave it here and trust bioware to do the right thing, not just the ultrapopulist one. but still i am worried. money > all ;s

Worrying about a game is about as crazy as the people making Tali sex dolls... Ok maybe not THAT crazy, but still pretty damn weird. 

[Malificis]

WilliamShatner wrote...

I think Philip Jose Farmer should be lead writer on ME3. It would be much better.

dont know about Farmer being lead writer but your sig is exactly my problem.
what a total waste to have a dlc on tali romance. omfg. seriously. they could do so much more with the development process which would go into such a DLC. this is an example of the problem im seeing.

[ERJAK2]

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG. Sure the romances are nice but why are people so obsessed with them? 
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG. It has a decent story and very good gameplay.
The characters need to be deep and interesting sure but if the community goes on too much about romance sub-plots. There will be a price. The price will be paid by the other elements of the game and the characters we like so much will be too love-sim orientated.
It annoyed me enough already that this has caused such things as Garrus being actually fairly boring if you AREN'T femshep and romancing him. That shoudn't happen!
Getting ridiculous! Sure Tali is a good character but 19000 replies by people who for a large part seem a little...deprived, all calling for a huge Tali romance in ME3? If that happens, the aforementioned price will be high. Even as i write this I think my mere non pro-Tali stance will result in me being flamed by the legion of 15 year old Tali-Obsessives when I am raising a highly important issue.
I don't want Mass Effect to be ruined because people want in-game sex so much. The romances are a good thing but they should not be taken too far. This is not a complaint about explicitness or nudity (I laughed a lot at Miranda "riding" Shepherd fully clothed), but about the loss of other content due to fans wanting more sex.
Must be some people noticing this disturbing trend ;s

This is not a Shooter. Obsession over killing things In-Game.

I don't understand why these moronic immature people are so obsessed with killing. It just shows the barbarism of our nature that people can't enjoy a simple RPG without obsessing over weapons and armor and headshots. Anyone who doesn't think the way I do or like the parts of the game I like is an idiot.


Do you understand how pointless what you said was now?

[Kwonnern]

Malificis wrote...
Rofl I dont like self-expressive people? Am i not making a forum thread and arguing? How ridiculous a comment. That would be amusingly ironic. I am an extrovert -,- but easily excitable people annoy me sometimes. They dont think things through.

That's your problem, not theirs.

[Malificis]

Jake71887 wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Dont care if they want to screw tali or not. irrelevant as long as bioware doesnt take it seriously.
Lol at loveboat commander.
yeah hope you are right. i suppose i should just leave it here and trust bioware to do the right thing, not just the ultrapopulist one. but still i am worried. money > all ;s

Worrying about a game is about as crazy as the people making Tali sex dolls... Ok maybe not THAT crazy, but still pretty damn weird. 

what? why? i care about what ME3 is going to be like, don't you? im not losing sleep over it or anything but i certainly care. why shouldnt i? 

[Pannamaslo]

Kwonnern wrote...

Malificis wrote...
Rofl I dont like self-expressive people? Am i not making a forum thread and arguing? How ridiculous a comment. That would be amusingly ironic. I am an extrovert -,- but easily excitable people annoy me sometimes. They dont think things through.

That's your problem, not theirs.

Win.

IMO romances were fairly good and I don't feel like plot/gameplay lost anything by adding them. I wouldn't want ME turn into date sim either but deeper realtionships with characters (romantic or friendship) is always an advantage.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 14 février 2010 - 06:03 .

[RhythmlessNinja]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Again, you miss the point. I LIKE ROMANCES IN MASS EFFECT 1/2. AND DAO. THEY ARE GOOD. (get it now?)
BUT I don't want it going too far. So many people going crazy about romances and demanding more will get Bioware's attention.

Dude, if you didn't want people to start flaming you about this, you shouldn't have flamed them first with the "Obsessive 15 year old" comments in the OP - what did you call it? Enlargement tactics, controverses, etc.

They might have flamed you anyways, but probably not.

Anywho, what was I saying. Ah yeah, I reckon if Bioware have managed to keep romance in their games since the dawn of their games, they'll keep it going - if anything, they might wanna work out a way to improve it alittle. If their willing to work on non-core components of the game, why not this one? Not sure what they could do different, but I'm not working for Bioware, so its not my job

If I read correctly, what the OP really wants is more non-romance dialogue with romanceable squadmates. A viable friendship path. I agree with that, it's something I noticed was sorely lacking with Miranda, Garrus and especially Jack.

For ME3, the devs should take some tips from the Dragon Age team, as the romance and friendship paths for that game were top-notch.

I dunno if that's a good idea seeing as how their expansion is going to completely scratch all the romance & friendships you had in the first. I honestly have no problem with it, but I'm just saying...yea lets not go there. Just add some dialogue & we're good.

[Jake71887]

Malificis wrote...

what? why? i care about what ME3 is going to be like, don't you? im not losing sleep over it or anything but i certainly care. why shouldnt i? 

I don't worry about games.. I hope ones I'm interested in will be good; but I don't fret about them. The game industry is ever-evolving.. the bad games of yesteryear lead to the great games of today. And so far, I haven't been ever disappointed in a Bioware game, they've all entertained me thoroughly. 

[Remaix]

I don't see the need to worry. Bioware is a company. Bioware is not comprised of impressionable children who'll do everything people tell them to. You don't need to worry for Bioware. You don't need to hold their hand.

Stop worrying. Bioware can handle this just fine.

[challenger18]

All this thread is is a plea for BioWare not to listen to the fans. Stupid.

[Malificis]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG. Sure the romances are nice but why are people so obsessed with them? 
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG. It has a decent story and very good gameplay.
The characters need to be deep and interesting sure but if the community goes on too much about romance sub-plots. There will be a price. The price will be paid by the other elements of the game and the characters we like so much will be too love-sim orientated.
It annoyed me enough already that this has caused such things as Garrus being actually fairly boring if you AREN'T femshep and romancing him. That shoudn't happen!
Getting ridiculous! Sure Tali is a good character but 19000 replies by people who for a large part seem a little...deprived, all calling for a huge Tali romance in ME3? If that happens, the aforementioned price will be high. Even as i write this I think my mere non pro-Tali stance will result in me being flamed by the legion of 15 year old Tali-Obsessives when I am raising a highly important issue.
I don't want Mass Effect to be ruined because people want in-game sex so much. The romances are a good thing but they should not be taken too far. This is not a complaint about explicitness or nudity (I laughed a lot at Miranda "riding" Shepherd fully clothed), but about the loss of other content due to fans wanting more sex.
Must be some people noticing this disturbing trend ;s

This is not a Shooter. Obsession over killing things In-Game.

I don't understand why these moronic immature people are so obsessed with killing. It just shows the barbarism of our nature that people can't enjoy a simple RPG without obsessing over weapons and armor and headshots. Anyone who doesn't think the way I do or like the parts of the game I like is an idiot.


Do you understand how pointless what you said was now?

a critic with some wit/brains! go you.
Right. The example you give assumes that I want more development of the shooter element. Not true. Character development is more important, and it is this which i see being detracted from (sex opportunities and a mediocrely well written love scene is not a replacement for real character development ala Alistair/Morrigan etc from DAO).
This is your example but not the core nature of your post. That would be the importance of subjectivity/perspective. I do not have time to argue this at length as it is a massive topic and i could never be correct (such is the nature...). Nor could you. My viewpoint is that love and sex while having a place in such a game as Mass Effect 2 should not be overdone. You do not actually express your opinion here. What do you think? That that element should be expanded, as bioware seem to be doing?

Modifié par Malificis, 14 février 2010 - 06:09 .