Malificis wrote...
Fine.
You'll respond to me? Really? I am honored.
Wrong. The vocal community may well have an effect as Bioware listens to its community. I would attack opinions of others because i feel they will be detrimental to my wishes and the wishes of those who would agree with me.
Money is the main objective of any company like Bioware so they will listen to their vocal community. You are attacking my opinion just as I attack the opinions and wishes of others.
Disagreeing with your opinion is not attacking you. You are attacking others by calling them names and dismissing them as a group.
Despite what you may think, there is a difference.
And by calling others names and denegrating them, your arguments become less important to me. If you have to resort to insults then deep down I assume you must know the weakness of your arguments.
If the vocal community are the only ones talking, then it's all Bioware has to go on (outside of sales numbers). So if after ME1, let's say they saw 80% of people (number pulled out of thin air) clamoring for a bigger role for Tali, and 0% of people demanding a bigger role for Navigator Pressley, that might have been one of a myriad of considerations that went into increasing Tali's role in the story of ME2 and removing Pressley entirely via his death.
OR
and you'll have to forgive my presumptions here
the writers HAD A PLAN ALREADY for the trilogy, and while they surely tweaked stuff, added stuff, removed stuff, as development happened - and from that plan, and from what the writers and other developers decided worked and didn't as they made ME2, decided on changes.
I'm going to err on the side of believing people like Woo and Gaider and others when they say stuff like "we are writing our story for the game - you can like it or you can hate it, but you don't have a say in what we include."
You, apparently, believe that all the people clamoring for Harry and Hermione (or Harry and Draco, for that matter) in the forums and fan fiction world should have controlled what J.K. Rowling wrote in the subsequent novels. Clearly they DIDN'T have an effect, but in your world view the thousands of voices praying for this should have had a major effect.
By attacking the opinions of others I raise what I like in Mass Effect, i.e. plot and the wish for more character depth. Essentially you could call it aggressive promotion hopefully at the expense of the promotion/wishes of others I dislike. I do not care if you like this or not because you seem desperate to kill the conception of my argument.
No, insults are not always constructive to my argument but they get attention and provoke response - the objective of such comments. I do not care if you do not like this.
Attacking the opinions of others in this sense - i.e. saying that the number of threads and people posting in threads about the romance options in the game is detrimental to the game YOU want to see in ME3 - is ultimately selfish and unconstructive. You will accomplish none of your goals (if your goals really are just to make sure romance elements in ME3 don't eclipse other story and non-romance character development) as if there is anything a developer will ignore more than large threads about "PUT THIS IN YOUR NEXT GAME" it's threads of people attacking said previous threads.
What people like in the game is fine - let them promote the game elements they like.
You can promote what you like and don't as well.
What you DID NOT DO was create a thread titled "More Character Depth in ME3" saying "I want more non-romance interactions with my teammates."
What you DID DO was create a (retitled) thread "This is Not a Love-Sim. Obsession over in-game romance?" which implies you want to directly talk about the people who are creating threads and posting in threads focusing on the romance aspects of the game, and the majority of what you are saying is "all these people who enjoyed the romances in the game, keep talking about the romances in the game, really liked certain characters for romances in the game, and are calling for more of the romances for the characters they like in the next installment of the game ARE GOING TO RUIN THE GAME FOR ME."
I am not desperate to kill the conception of your argument. Were I that, I would report you to mods on some flimsy excuse, I would tell you to shut up, I would start an opposition thread titled "Haters of those who love the romance options in the game should STFU" and then try to thinly veil that behind weak-sauce arguments like "people complaining about people liking the romance in the game are going to get developers to remove the romance options in the game and RUIN THE GAME FOR ME!!!"
Seeing as I did none of the above, I think it's fairly easy for most to accept that my point in posting in this thread is not to kill the conception of your argument. Heck - that implies I tried to stop you from thinking about starting the thread in the first place.
For the most part I tried to point out that insulting and belittling those you disagree with will not aid your cause (unless that is your cause, which I'm starting to wonder), and that if you truly wanted romance options to not dominate the game due to the sizable pro-romance threads that you would be more productive creating threads promoting the aspects of the game you like.
You, instead, respond that you don't care what I think about your argument (so why should anyone care about what you think about the romance supporters?), and that you will attack others opinions in favor your own (so why shouldn't others attack your opinions in turn?) - which tells me that you aren't seriously trying to convince anyone of your points and that you aren't offering something positive in return.
Let me state it again clearly and this time concisely, in case that was too much for you (as you said it was previously):
How you started this thread, what you are saying in it, and specifically your dismissiveness of those you disagree with ONLY SERVE to cause arguments and fighting. That will cause a lock-down on the thread, you will be deemed in the eyes of many as a rabble-rouser and not a proactive person trying to be constructive, and therefore you will HURT your stated cause.
If you think I am trying to shut you up or dismiss you, you clearly do not understand how I operate. I would not put this much effort into trying to course-correct your methods if I wasn't seeking to help you create an orderly, productive dialog.
The point you have buried in all your negativity - that the romances may be already overshadowing non-romance crew interaction options - is a valid point to discuss. Your stated fear - that the developers could add more romance to the detriment of other story and crew aspects - is also a valid point worthy of discussing.
Most of your methods, however, run contrary to getting either point seriously discussed.
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