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[Malificis]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I agree with the OP everytime I visit here 75% of the threads are romance and 25% are trolls. Its doing my head in!

You see Therin?
There are plenty who would agree with me, even though I no longer believe it matters. Actually I hope it no longer matters.

[SteelEagleShane]

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG. Sure the romances are nice but why are people so obsessed with them? 
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG. It has a decent story and very good gameplay.
The characters need to be deep and interesting sure but if the community goes on too much about romance sub-plots. There will be a price. The price will be paid by the other elements of the game and the characters we like so much will be too love-sim orientated.
It annoyed me enough already that this has caused such things as Garrus being actually fairly boring if you AREN'T femshep and romancing him. That shouldn't happen!
Sure Tali is a good character but 19000 replies (getting a bit ridiculous) by people who for a large part seem a little...deprived, all calling for a huge Tali romance in ME3? If that happens, the aforementioned price will be high. Even as i write this I think my mere non pro-Tali stance will result in me being flamed by the legion of 15 year old Tali-Obsessives when I am raising a highly important issue.
I don't want Mass Effect to be ruined because people want in-game sex so much. The romances are a good thing but they should not be taken too far. This is not a complaint about explicitness or nudity (I laughed a lot at Miranda "riding" Shepherd fully clothed), but about the loss of other content due to fans wanting more sex.
Must be some people noticing this disturbing trend ;s

Your attempt to bring up an issue is utterly ruined by your own generalizations, those generalizations are what will cause the flaming. I don’t think anyone wants the Tali romance option to be ZOMG THE FOUNDATION OF ME3. They/We just want it to be there. If that somehow destroys ME3, then God help us all because ME3 is royally ****ed.
No one wants ME3 to be really any different than previous ones. I don't think anyone is calling for TEH MOAR SEXUAL. We just want that normal ME option at the game, and we want one of those possibilitis to be Tali. Don't get worked up over it.

[Lord Atlia]

One of the key aspects of role playing games since dungeons and dragons and even before that in The Fellowship of the Ring and before that in the Quest for the Golden Fleece is the idea of the party of heroes. The mission is not what is important but how the mission brought together these epic heroes. For ME2 the focus is on romance because that is really the only way to form a bond in ME2. Unlike DA:O where you could form bonds of friendship (bromances/sisterhoods) with characters like Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, Shale, and Sten the only real bond you can form in ME2 is the romance. Other characters while they can be funny and amusing seem like they are just on board for the mission.

[GuyWithFace]

MerinTB wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Fine.

You'll respond to me?  Really?  I am honored.


<Reluctantly snipped for size>

Agree with that essay of a post.

However, I also somewhat agree with the idea of the OP, just not how he put it.

This coming from an avid poster in the Tali Love thread: I don't want thegame to take a dive in order to put more meaningful or developed romances. All I really want is to have a sort of 'conclusion' to the romances that our Shepards have taken part in during ME1 and 2.

To be quite honest, there are very few of us who are clamoring over a big, huge, loving, touching romantic ending. We simply want to see an ending. It doesn't have to be overly developed or take up half of the game.

On to another point: I , too, wish that we could develop a stronger bond with the members of our squad, without having it culminate into a romance. However, that's fairly contradictive to the previous point. You want more dialogue, but don't want there to be a decent ending to dialogue that *others* want?

I understand that you're supporting what you would like added to the game, but I don't appreciate your ways of putting down what others would like in the game.

Ultimately, you have my partial support.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I agree that people are obsessed with romances a bit too much. I also agree that Garrus should talk more without being romanced. I hope that's taken into consideration with ME3. However I do approve of his romance and I would like to see nudity in, just to see what a naked Turian looks like. I don't mind if people like romances a lot, it's the fact that most just like romances because there was nudity. If you ask me the romances are about the characters not about the nudity.

[Pauravi]

I do get attached to the characters in this game and I enjoy the romances, but I do see the OP's point. I don't really think you need to tone down the romances so much as make sure that all the LI's have good interactions for people who aren't pursuing their romances.

A good example of doing it wrong is Garrus: his loyalty quest was great, and he had a few good dialogues, but it all stops so suddenly if you aren't femShep. Before you know it, he is just calibrating all day long.

On the other hand, I think they did a fantastic job with Thane. He was a very interesting character with a lot of dialogue, even for maleShep. I'm not sure what his dialogues were like with femShep non-romancers, but I would hope that it would be largely the same.

Anyway, I support more/better "friend" dialogues for all characters, but not at the expense of the romances.

[AtreiyaN7]

Like every other BioWare game, the romances were in no way dominant over other aspects of ME2. So far, BioWare hasn't gone overboard, and I really doubt they ever will. A post about irrational fears that romances will somehow overshadow gameplay in ME3 just because of people in the forums is totally silly.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 14 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[Dudalizer]

Romance is an important part of the storytelling precess. It is that way for games, books, movies, or tv shows. What is wrong with wanting an emphasis on such an important part of the experience? This is supposed to be the final chapter afterall. All of these people are making a big deal out of it because they don't want to spend money on a game that they are emotionally invested in and get a dozen lines of dialog and a 10 second love scene. They want to make sure that Bioware is going to spend enough time developing the relationships in ME 3 so they can get some satisfaction and closure to their character's story, and I agree with them though it does not have to be the main focus of the game of course.

Modifié par Dudalizer, 14 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[chaos-zhan]

how about some "romance subplot expansions" which can be sold separately. that way everyone is happy.

[AM50]

Malificis wrote...

Come on people. This isn't a love-sim its an RPG. Sure the romances are nice but why are people so obsessed with them? 
In the end, Mass Effect is an RPG. It has a decent story and very good gameplay.
The characters need to be deep and interesting sure but if the community goes on too much about romance sub-plots. There will be a price. The price will be paid by the other elements of the game and the characters we like so much will be too love-sim orientated.
It annoyed me enough already that this has caused such things as Garrus being actually fairly boring if you AREN'T femshep and romancing him. That shouldn't happen!
Sure Tali is a good character but 19000 replies (getting a bit ridiculous) by people who for a large part seem a little...deprived, all calling for a huge Tali romance in ME3? If that happens, the aforementioned price will be high. Even as i write this I think my mere non pro-Tali stance will result in me being flamed by the legion of 15 year old Tali-Obsessives when I am raising a highly important issue.
I don't want Mass Effect to be ruined because people want in-game sex so much. The romances are a good thing but they should not be taken too far. This is not a complaint about explicitness or nudity (I laughed a lot at Miranda "riding" Shepherd fully clothed), but about the loss of other content due to fans wanting more sex.
Must be some people noticing this disturbing trend ;s

I agree with parts of this. I loved the action but the character's personality quirks and attitudes and conversations is just as interesting as the combat.

[ComTrav]

I take the romances in these games as evidence that Bioware can get a little out of a lot.

If you take (say) 35-40 hours to finish the game on a leisurely playthrough, how long are the romance conversations and cut scene? (If we exclude the character's loyalty mission, which you would do anyway?) All the youtube compiliation videos come in at under ten minutes or so, but with different dialogue options it might last a little longer. So let's say no more then 20 minutes.

Bioware knows this, and they know they can get a lot of mileage out of a little bit.I don't think an extra dozen or so lines of dialogue and a second special cut scene will 'break the bank' on ME3's development budget. I understand part of your concern that some character relationships seem so romance-centric that you don't get much dialogue without the romance. (Calibrate those guns!) They managed to have it both ways in DAO, where you got lots of dialogue, and even in ME2 Thane is sorta unique among LI characters in having lots of non-romance conversations with MaleShep.

I don't think they will ever compromise their core vision for game mechanics and story for dialogue and visuals. (A CERTAIN famous RPG company did that route a long time ago...) They can get a lot out of a little. If would've been easy to add a long, meaningful glance between Shepard and his LI during the ending scene, and I think a lot of people would've liked it. The cost of adding a little more romance content is small, but the impact is high. Kaidin/Ashley's email couldn't have been hard to add, but it adds a much different dynamic to the relationship then if they'd left it at the scene on horizon.

They don't need to add MUCH more romance content to make a lot of people more happy.

Modifié par ComTrav, 14 février 2010 - 11:26 .

[DaeJi]

Love is one of the common story elements for a reason. The response it gets here, from people who love it to people who want to expand it shows how important a story element it is to people. BioWare, a company known for it's storytelling, is wise to use it and make it a large part of character interaction.

[Chained_Creator]

All that comes to mind when I read this topic is "Love Game" by Lady GaGa.

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 14 février 2010 - 11:29 .

[ComTrav]

Here, I made a poll:

http://social.biowar...746/polls/2237/

[Kwonnern]

ComTrav wrote...

Here, I made a poll:
http://social.biowar...746/polls/2237/

According to that poll, it is interesting to see what the majority wants.

Who knew?