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[catabuca]

Bachuck wrote...

I thought the sex scene in ME1 was very well done. Most gamers (or parents) might be more concerned with its brief flashes of virtual flesh, but I was more impressed with the level of intimacy the scene portrayed. It felt like there was a real connection between the characters.

In ME2, the scenes felt like a cheat, as if they wanted to show them but avoid as much controversy as possible. In that regard, they lacked the maturity of ME1 and come off worse. I think the romances were improved (the dialogue between the characters), but the actually act of consummation came off a bit silly.

I agree with this. There's maturity and there's maturity. In ME2 I felt they were more mature in the sense the dialogue and actions felt more 'aggressive' somehow (I'm not sure aggressive is the right word - sexually assertive perhaps?). In ME1 they felt more mature because they were done very tastefully and felt adult and intimate. 

I like aspects of both, but ME1 inches ahead for me.

[danman2424]

Nemesis7884 wrote...

"you dont have to watch them" is a dumd response - i could also simply not play the game ummm???? i want to to play the game and i want to watch the romance scenes, but i want to enjoy them! lord exar has a good point

Make a dumb suggestion and then you get a dumb response. Really, if you now admit you want to watch the romance scene, then why wouldn't you ask Bioware to improve them? Sounds like you're just being childish.

[danman2424]

catabuca wrote...

Bachuck wrote...

I thought the sex scene in ME1 was very well done. Most gamers (or parents) might be more concerned with its brief flashes of virtual flesh, but I was more impressed with the level of intimacy the scene portrayed. It felt like there was a real connection between the characters.

In ME2, the scenes felt like a cheat, as if they wanted to show them but avoid as much controversy as possible. In that regard, they lacked the maturity of ME1 and come off worse. I think the romances were improved (the dialogue between the characters), but the actually act of consummation came off a bit silly.

I agree with this. There's maturity and there's maturity. In ME2 I felt they were more mature in the sense the dialogue and actions felt more 'aggressive' somehow (I'm not sure aggressive is the right word - sexually assertive perhaps?). In ME1 they felt more mature because they were done very tastefully and felt adult and intimate. 

I like aspects of both, but ME1 inches ahead for me.

Exactly. I really expected ME2 to take the ME1 scene even further. What a disappointment.

[catabuca]

While the perv in me would love to see more flesh, the tech just doesn't seem to be there to make it worthwhile atm. I'd prefer to see the tasteful side-boob, back, chest, leg, bum intimacy of ME1 than the more 'sexually assertive' grope and grind of ME2, with or without clothes.



One thing that I don't like about ME2, however, is the post-game canoodling. It's a fine idea, but it feels tacked on and is done pretty badly. The animations suck, there's no interaction, and it's incredibly jarring.

[lord magnious]

ME1>ME2

I wanted to see some quarian ass damnit!

Modifié par lord magnious, 14 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

In all fairness the ME1 scene was done very nicely. Very tasteful, showing just enough and hiding the rest. Didn't feel out of place or false at all tbh.

[NathanPhoenix1]

danman2424 wrote...

Bachuck wrote...

I thought the sex scene in ME1 was very well done. Most gamers (or parents) might be more concerned with its brief flashes of virtual flesh, but I was more impressed with the level of intimacy the scene portrayed. It felt like there was a real connection between the characters.

In ME2, the scenes felt like a cheat, as if they wanted to show them but avoid as much controversy as possible. In that regard, they lacked the maturity of ME1 and come off worse. I think the romances were improved (the dialogue between the characters), but the actually act of consummation came off a bit silly.

Indeed. Everyone I have spoken to said they felt gypped, unrewarded, and the only word they were left with after working towards that scene was "Lame". Which I would think is the last word a developer should want anyone to think of during any part of their game.

No one expected full frontal or anything, but they expected to be rewarded with a little more than just a shot of a ceiling.

funny thing is, the scenes even without any butts or skin, are still such that if mom or dad walked in o 10 year-old johnny playing them that they would still take the disc away from him. Only difference is that for adult owners of the game, the scene is comically tame. So essentially Bioware accomplished nothing in neutering the scene.

yah... that big M on the box means no 10 year olds. Personaly I found the ME1 sene (Ashly) to be artistic as opposed to gratuitous nudity. And I was impressed that Bioware pushed the unoffical boundries of what can and cant happen in videogames again (bounceing cars excluded). ME2 (Miranda) felt more "woe we better not do that again lets just do a bra shot, and use static faces." Go back to the ME1 thinking.

[danman2424]

NathanPhoenix1 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Bachuck wrote...

I thought the sex scene in ME1 was very well done. Most gamers (or parents) might be more concerned with its brief flashes of virtual flesh, but I was more impressed with the level of intimacy the scene portrayed. It felt like there was a real connection between the characters.

In ME2, the scenes felt like a cheat, as if they wanted to show them but avoid as much controversy as possible. In that regard, they lacked the maturity of ME1 and come off worse. I think the romances were improved (the dialogue between the characters), but the actually act of consummation came off a bit silly.

Indeed. Everyone I have spoken to said they felt gypped, unrewarded, and the only word they were left with after working towards that scene was "Lame". Which I would think is the last word a developer should want anyone to think of during any part of their game.

No one expected full frontal or anything, but they expected to be rewarded with a little more than just a shot of a ceiling.

funny thing is, the scenes even without any butts or skin, are still such that if mom or dad walked in o 10 year-old johnny playing them that they would still take the disc away from him. Only difference is that for adult owners of the game, the scene is comically tame. So essentially Bioware accomplished nothing in neutering the scene.

yah... that big M on the box means no 10 year olds. Personaly I found the ME1 sene (Ashly) to be artistic as opposed to gratuitous nudity. And I was impressed that Bioware pushed the unoffical boundries of what can and cant happen in videogames again (bounceing cars excluded). ME2 (Miranda) felt more "woe we better not do that again lets just do a bra shot, and use static faces." Go back to the ME1 thinking.

Well apparently the 10 year-old and the opinions of their parents are the audience that Bioware were thinking of when they neutered the love scenes. I can't really think of any other reason other than being misrepresented by the media and I find it hard to believe that the Fox coverage did anything other than boost the sales of the game.

[ToJKa1]

Nemesis7884 wrote...

not that i am some kind of conservative moralist finger pointer... but the sex scenes simply look soooo incredibly bad.... its exactly these scenes (also with the movie avatar) where you can clearly see how artificial and goofy cgi still are which for me always completly destroys immersion... don't know how you thinkg about this

I understand what you mean. I still haven't seen any of the scenes of ME2, but for some of the ones in Dragon Age i would've preferred a fade to black. Good thing some mods make them something less laughable, alas that is not possible with ME2

Modifié par ToJKa1, 14 février 2010 - 06:28 .

[catabuca]

People keep saying they toned things down in ME2, seemingly because of the lack of side-boob. I think ME2 was far more sexually assertive* (this shall become my 'emotionally engaging' phrase lol), in terms of the way romance was pursued and the scenes themselves. The lack of nakedness doesn't detract from that.



Nakedness or not, it's all about the art direction for me, and I felt ME1 did it better.



*However, I guess I'm talking of specific romances here: Jack and Miranda. I haven't seen the one with Jacob, but the Garrus and Thane ones are less about physicality and more about romance.

[Jigero]

You do know you can romance some one then chose not to have sex with them, but still keep them as a LI, right?

[Trauma3x]

hey this aint like the helmet toggle issue, press a button and you skip past it. Personally after all that work I put in for Miranda and her ass and saving her sister, that's the least she can do. If I put in all that work just so she could pat on the head then out the airlock she go! I'm just sayin

[Trauma3x]

hey this aint like the helmet toggle issue, press a button and you skip past it. Personally after all that work I put in for Miranda and her ass and saving her sister, that's the least she can do. If I put in all that work just so she could pat on the head then out the airlock she go! I'm just sayin

[GeometricLol]

the focus of mass effect 1&2's LI is emotionality, and if the sex scenes are the only things doing it for you, you're playing the game wrong

[Zereth Deagroth]

I think that if the game has a "Mature" rating then the content which garnered said rating shouldn't hold anything back. Why neuter the sex-scenes for kids when in all honesty they shouldn't be playing the games in the first place OR for the stupid parents who get the game for a kid anyways, allow a parental control to be place which would let the kid watch the opening dialogue for the scenes then fade to black so they can't see anything? This would probably work for those adults who don't want to watch them either.



Personally I was disappointed in Tali's scene the most. For Jack, clumsy as the scene was it felt that she got the gentle attention she needed. For Miranda, well she always came across as assertive, to me at least. The emotions behind Tali's scene felt genuine, but what disappointed me was that we didn't even get to see her face! Talk about a let down.



The animations could be improved by the time ME3 comes out, mostly by making the movements smoother and more natural looking (what's the tech that lets you record an actor's motions with a computer and use it to animate somethign?).



Also, if ME3 is going to get a rating geared towards an older audience, I'd recommend giving a few more options for the romances once they reach the 'physical' stage. Such as a simple choice whether to get passionate and physical or to keep it light and romantic. For a game based on the player's choices, areas such as this seem to be sorely lacking or even forced based on your 'alignment' on the Paragon/Renegade scale.

[Kusy]

Mass Effect romance "conclusions" are great. They don't show too much but give you the idea of what happened. And OP, if it bothers you - look at the Tali "sex scene", it's made so nothing looks off or weird.

[Ricardoy]

The sex scenes is good for me..if you dont want them skip them..but because you dont like them doesnt mean it should be removed.

[Lionrise]

Those who want a more intense love scene can try romancing Morinth.

[Ashton808]

I must say I like Mass Effect 2 romance scene better. It is much more romantic and emotional. Mass Effect romance scene had it's romantic moments but some people used it as porn. Which I find disgusting.



Mass Effect 2 all the way.

[MassEffect762]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Ashton808 wrote...

I must say I like Mass Effect 2 romance scene better. It is much more romantic and emotional. Mass Effect romance scene had it's romantic moments but some people used it as porn. Which I find disgusting.

Mass Effect 2 all the way.

Fox News much?

Oh and: Rule 34

There it is, I was waiting for that. Oh don't mind me.

As for the OP, don't see why it bugs you so much and it is optional goofy or not.

I thought DA:Os making love in underwear was goofy, thankfully Nexus fixed that up pronto.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 14 février 2010 - 07:44 .

[AsheraII]

The romance scenes in both ME1 and ME2 have nothing to do with sex really. They're exactly what they're called: romance scenes, showing intimacy between two game characters. Nothing more than what one would see, or rather even EXPECT these days from avarage mature-rated blockbusters these days, like Titanic, Avatar, and I believe even one of the Batman movies. They do add fundamentally to the RPG and character building experience for some players, just like the more intimate scenes in those movies I mentioned. If you don't like this part, then there are already hundreds of games catering to your needs.
Calling the scenes sex scenes or porn scenes doesn't do them justice. Besides, there are other games catering to that market segment already. The romance scenes are an entirely different breed. They add character depth and intimacy, not something to get off on.

[danman2424]

Ashton808 wrote...

 but some people used it as porn. Which I find disgusting.

Mass Effect 2 all the way.

No they don't. Unless you personally watched someone do that, in which case, I find you even more disgusting.

Modifié par danman2424, 14 février 2010 - 08:39 .

[Collider]

There is no CGI with the romance scenes. It's all in-game processing. Frankly, it could be worse, not that it was bad to begin with.