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[Whatever42]

Can't I have them both?

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That said, I sort of wish Elizabeth (the human girl in the Exo Geni lab) had been the one to come back. She would have fit the Shiala role just as well, and she actually had potential hero-ardor vibes back in ME1. Shiala giving off that sort of vibe after a few hundred years is... not as attractive?

Why, exactly?

Hero-worship/admiration is better left to the young, not the centuries-old adults who should have long since grown out of that sort of phase.

How old is Shiala, exactly? As a commando, she's probably a maiden, so I have a feeling her physical age isn't too far away from Shepard's own.
And it didn't seem like hero worship exactly, just an attraction based on Shepard's awesomeness. Which is noticeable. It's not like Tali who wants Shepard and only Shepard; Shiala could easily move on to someone else.

[Schneidend]

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Shiala FOR SURE! She willingly helps Shepard, cares about others, and always carries herself elegantly. I dislike Gianna's character quite a bit: she fools people and she enjoys it, and her attitude and temper are both rotten. As such, I usually either warn the asari shopkeeper on Illium, or I get Gianna killed off on Noveria in ME1.

So, rather than help the law-abiding corporate dishonesty investigator, you aid and abed a black market schematic thief?

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Hero-worship/admiration is better left
to the young, not the centuries-old adults who should have long since
grown out of that sort of phase.

I really don't get this from Shiala at all. She asks you for a date. She doesn't gush or anything. She doesn't even express any interest until after she's had two years to think about it.

Xilizhra wrote...

How old is Shiala, exactly? As a
commando, she's probably a maiden, so I have a feeling her physical age
isn't too far away from Shepard's own.

Asari commandos devote their entire lives to being commandos. Shiala could easily be 200 or more.

Modifié par Schneidend, 02 février 2011 - 10:45 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

How old is Shiala, exactly? As a commando, she's probably a maiden, so I have a feeling her physical age isn't too far away from Shepard's own.

And it didn't seem like hero worship exactly, just an attraction based on Shepard's awesomeness.Which is noticeable.

Which is also pretty much another way of saying hero-struck.

If Shiala's hero-struck and is three-hundred years old, that's about three centuries to get past such stage. I don't exactly look approvingly of thirty year-olds getting star-struck, let alone three-hundred year olds. Especially ones who have, for quite some time, been in the presence of such notable public figures, and so should not be struck like that.

Savior-hero-amora is fine for teens and twenty-somethings. Young people. Past that, no. I don't find it endearing.

It's not like Tali who wants Shepard and only Shepard; Shiala could easily move on to someone else.

Indeed. Which is good, and never denied. But hey, my good man Kaiden Alenko was there, and why isn't he getting Asari space-babe tail for saving her? All I did was not shoot her.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 02 février 2011 - 10:47 .

[Schneidend]

Again, she really doesn't do anything that indicates she is "awestruck" by Shepard. She asks you out. Adults tend to do that.

[Barquiel]

Xilizhra wrote...

How old is Shiala, exactly?

We know she was an acolyte of Matriarch Benezia for nearly two centuries...but I agree, no hero worship.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

The human duh

[Redem0]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That said, I sort of wish Elizabeth (the human girl in the Exo Geni lab) had been the one to come back. She would have fit the Shiala role just as well, and she actually had potential hero-ardor vibes back in ME1. Shiala giving off that sort of vibe after a few hundred years is... not as attractive?

Why, exactly?

Hero-worship/admiration is better left to the young, not the centuries-old adults who should have long since grown out of that sort of phase.

Perhaps she think a guy who decide not to spatter her brain on the floo at their first meeting r can't be that bad

[Xilizhra]

Barquiel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

How old is Shiala, exactly?

We know she was an acolyte of Matriarch Benezia for nearly two centuries...but I agree, no hero worship.

Which could put her at around 250 or so, since commandos do seem to start training early. I don't think it's outside of Dean's arbitrary limits of when you're allowed to be impressed by someone.

[DPSSOC]

Schneidend wrote...

Again, she really doesn't do anything that indicates she is "awestruck" by Shepard. She asks you out. Adults tend to do that.

Yes but based on what is the question.  She doesn't know you, at all, her only knowledge of you would be first hand witnessing of your heroics or public record, which would be mostly focused on your heroics.  So any opinion she may have of you is wrapped up in the image of you as a hero(ine).  This tends to lead to the impression that her attraction is simple hero worship.  The only alternative is that it's a simple physical attraction and I don't get that impression from her.

Had you had any other kind of interaction with her (in either game) it would be different, but in both instances you meet her you are a Knight in Shining Armor.  That doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for why she's interested.

As for the thread title I could see dating Gianna, not Shiala though.  Giant Smurfs from Space don't float my particular boat.

[Xeranx]

DPSSOC wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Again, she really doesn't do anything that indicates she is "awestruck" by Shepard. She asks you out. Adults tend to do that.

Yes but based on what is the question.  She doesn't know you, at all, her only knowledge of you would be first hand witnessing of your heroics or public record, which would be mostly focused on your heroics.  So any opinion she may have of you is wrapped up in the image of you as a hero(ine).  This tends to lead to the impression that her attraction is simple hero worship.  The only alternative is that it's a simple physical attraction and I don't get that impression from her.

Had you had any other kind of interaction with her (in either game) it would be different, but in both instances you meet her you are a Knight in Shining Armor.  That doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for why she's interested.

As for the thread title I could see dating Gianna, not Shiala though.  Giant Smurfs from Space don't float my particular boat.

Shiala gave you the cipher through a mind-link.  If there's even a small bit of transference in such a link I feel I can safely assume Shiala got a fair bit to be attracted to Shepard.

[DPSSOC]

Hmm hadn't considered that, always viewed it as more of a one way thing.  Even without Shiala getting anything from Shepard I suppose the act of touching anothers mind could give a sense of familliarity and intimacy.  Much to consider, still comes across as hero worship to me, but so did Liara and Tali and I've had people willing to fight me that it's not so I guess experiences vary.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 03 février 2011 - 03:51 .

[SupidSeep]

Gianna:
"You have the right to remain silent; I wish to God you'll exercise it."
"I love nailing asari.  So ageless and superior - then you get them, and they squeal like schoolgirls."

Gimme Gianna any time over some blue/green alien girl.

[Schneidend]

DPSSOC wrote...

Yes but based on what is the question.  She doesn't know you, at all, her only knowledge of you would be first hand witnessing of your heroics or public record, which would be mostly focused on your heroics.  So any opinion she may have of you is wrapped up in the image of you as a hero(ine).  This tends to lead to the impression that her attraction is simple hero worship.  The only alternative is that it's a simple physical attraction and I don't get that impression from her.

Had you had any other kind of interaction with her (in either game) it would be different, but in both instances you meet her you are a Knight in Shining Armor.  That doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for why she's interested.

As for the thread title I could see dating Gianna, not Shiala though.  Giant Smurfs from Space don't float my particular boat.

Based on the fact that it is generally accepted that Shepards of both genders are attractive people? (No matter what horrors the player manages to conjure with their face codes.)

Based on the fact that she doesn't know you, but would like to, and thus asks to hang out socially some time? That's typically why people go on dates in my experience.

She hasn't witnessed Shepard's heroics firsthand. She was in stasis in a giant fungus node.

Shepard's heroism on Feros is debatable, anyway. Shepard can make the choice to purge the colonists, which wouldn't sit well with some people.

I'd say reaching out and touching you is a good indication of physical attractiveness, but that is entirely subjective.

[Gabey5]

Gianna

[DPSSOC]

Schneidend wrote...
Based on the fact that it is generally accepted that Shepards of both genders are attractive people? (No matter what horrors the player manages to conjure with their face codes.)

Yes but like I said Shiala's behaviour doesn't come across as basic physical attraction.

Schneidend wrote...
Based on the fact that she doesn't know you, but would like to, and thus asks to hang out socially some time? That's typically why people go on dates in my experience.

Hmm, just me then.  I tend to avoid people until I know them (yes I can know people without speaking to them; not easy but doable), once known they are predictable and can be worked into the plan.  However why does she want to know you?  Again her interaction with you is limited; what, other than your "rescuing" her and physical attraction (which I don't see), could possibly spark interest?

Schneidend wrote...
She hasn't witnessed Shepard's heroics firsthand. She was in stasis in a giant fungus node.

Yes but she can easily deduce that you slew the dragon as it were, and she was witness to your rescuing and sparing her.

Schneidend wrote...
Shepard's heroism on Feros is debatable, anyway. Shepard can make the choice to purge the colonists, which wouldn't sit well with some people.

Certainly it can be clouded but the fact is, if Shiala's alive, you slew the dragon and rescued the damsel, while that can be blurred by events before it is, regardless, heroic.

[Schneidend]

You don't see that she was physically attracted to Shepard? She physically touches and smiles warmly at Shepard. Non-verbal communication speaks volumes. further, she's had two years to think about this. Typically, a connection like what you're referring to is more spur-of-the-moment infatuation. Adrenaline, fight-or-flight, etc.

But, like I said, this is subjective, and the only real clue either argument can be based on.

You don't see how she's physically attracted to Shepard.

I don't see how she's suffering from damsel syndrome.

Hmm, just me then.  I tend to avoid people until I know them (yes I can know people without speaking to them; not easy but doable), once known they are predictable and can be worked into the plan.  However why does she want to know you?  Again her interaction with you is limited; what, other than your "rescuing" her and physical attraction (which I don't see), could possibly spark interest?

She's curious. She herself confesses she doesn't know what you're up to these days. You were a Spectre and she was a huntress when you met, so she probably has an appreciation for peers in the field of warfare and espionage. She may want to hear about your other adventures, and tell you about some of hers in turn.

A shared interest and curiosity are enough to ask somebody out for coffee, I think. It's not like she drops trou and demands a shag right there on the trade floor.

[marshalleck]

No, the ****ing Reapers are coming to exterminate all advanced sentient life in the galaxy. There are more important things at stake than Shepard's libido.

edit: damn necros

Modifié par marshalleck, 03 février 2011 - 05:13 .

[Schneidend]

FTL flight takes hours. Occupying that downtime with sex isn't exactly counter-productive.

[Zulu_DFA]

marshalleck wrote...

No, the ****ing Reapers are coming to exterminate all advanced sentient life in the galaxy. There are more important things at stake than Shepard's libido.

edit: damn necros

That's right. I support all LI-characters getting killed off-screen between games and Shepard being notified about it in an e-mail!

[marshalleck]

Schneidend wrote...

FTL flight takes hours. Occupying that downtime with sex isn't exactly counter-productive.

I can't think of a worse way to discredit one's leadership credentials than shagging your subordinates.

Modifié par marshalleck, 03 février 2011 - 05:17 .

[Schneidend]

Your subordinates are all civilian volunteers. There are no fraternization regs involved.

[marshalleck]

Being intimately involved with any subordinate in any situation where there's potential for serious injury or death could significantly impair judgement. Military or civilian is irrelevant.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Kind off topic, but Shepard is 2 for 2 with Asari that he's done the mind meld with. Maybe it's something about the process of intertwining both nervous systems that makes them more likely to find Shepard attractive.

[Schneidend]

marshalleck wrote...

Being intimately involved with any subordinate in any situation where there's potential for serious injury or death could significantly impair judgement. Military or civilian is irrelevant.

I can see the logic behind that, certainly, but emotions and recreational sex aren't logical.