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[Rocket_Propelled_Grenade]

I would, like the OP, like to remind Bioware that not all of us faceless internet masses are ingrates who have forgotten how to trust.



Thank you Bioware. I believe I will enjoy Awakening, and I have and do enjoy Origins. I greatly appreciate the work you're putting in to these stellar projects.

[Harcken]

"I love you Bioware, thanks for making an expansion pack."

Or

"Dragon Age was a good game, but I feel like this expansion is jipping me with no romances, loss of all DLC items, and overall, it just feels rushed. Can't you spend a few more months fixing up features instead of releasing a seemingly rushed product?"

Which one is more constructive? Sure, the first may make a Bioware dev feel good for a day, but you can complement and criticize a certain product, in the same post no less, so you the consumer, can feel confident in what your buying.

Modifié par Harcken, 15 février 2010 - 12:23 .

[Nerdage]

Harcken wrote...

"I love you Bioware, thanks for making an expansion pack."

Or

"Dragon Age was a good game, but I feel like this expansion is jipping me with no romances, loss of all DLC items, and overall, it just feels rushed. Can't you spend a few more months fixing up features instead of releasing a seemingly rushed product?"

Which one is more constructive? Sure, the first may make a Bioware dev feel good for a day, but you can complement and criticize a certain product, in the same post no less, so you the consumer, can feel confident in what your buying.

Which one is correct? There's no way to tell if it feels rushed until you've at least seen it in action.

[Morroian]

thestillwind wrote...

The reason it's useless to carry over the DLC item is that the level cap is raised so your DLC item won't be useful since it'll get underpowered. DUH

\\

You start off at the level you finished DAO at though so they would be useful at the start.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Bioware are all great, we are all fail because we like efficiency and stability and complain in too many threads!

[melkathi]

nerdage wrote...

Harcken wrote...

"I love you Bioware, thanks for making an expansion pack."

Or

"Dragon Age was a good game, but I feel like this expansion is jipping me with no romances, loss of all DLC items, and overall, it just feels rushed. Can't you spend a few more months fixing up features instead of releasing a seemingly rushed product?"

Which one is more constructive? Sure, the first may make a Bioware dev feel good for a day, but you can complement and criticize a certain product, in the same post no less, so you the consumer, can feel confident in what your buying.

Which one is correct? There's no way to tell if it feels rushed until you've at least seen it in action.

Correction: there is no way to tell if it is rushed. If it feels rushed is completly up to the person who looks at the info so far.
Some people, look at what we know and get the impression that they are rushing the product. To them it feels that we will be getting a product that could do with a later deadline.
If this is true, we will see once the product is released. But one can worry and one can make judgement based on information given.
It is in fact the only way to judge wether one should make a purchase or not. Look at everything you know and decide if this seems to be worth your money - an educated purchase.
And it is up to every customer to decide at what point exactly the information they have is enough to choose between purchasing or moving on to another product.

Many of the people advocating that one should have faith and put their trust in the developers seem not opposed to concerned being voiced before release, but to any negative feedback whatsoever. It seems some people (and I am not saying that the person I am replying to is one of them) believe ne has two choices: either sing praise or not visit the forum - because you are not permitted to give negative feedback on upcomming choices, you are supposed to purchase regardless of your feelings and then judge... and should you then judge that your worries sadly were well founded after all, you should not say so. That too after all would just be whinning.

The sad truth is: Bioware needs feedback if they wish to improve. And everyone can always improve.

As said, this is not actually directed at nerdrage.
Just feel the need to get this off my chest:
we might be fans, but we also are consumers, not believers. This is a forum on which we state our opinions regarding the upcomming expansion. This is not the Val Royeaux Chantry and we are not chanters only permitted to speak the Chant of Light:
                   And so is the Forum blackened
                   With each post you read in my Threads.
                   Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting.
                   You have brought Flame to the Forum
                   And doom upon all the community.
Would be a bit too dramatic, no?

[nubbers666]

flem1 wrote...

Thanks? They're getting $40 of your money for an all-corners-cut expansion that massacres continuity. That should be enough.

i bet this expan was rushed thats why its gona suck so bad im gona wait for price drop long before i even buy it

[Nerdage]

I'm not anti-feedback, I'm just not sure we have much to give feedback on, certainly not enough to justify the volume of complaints it's already recieved. I just think people are expecting things of this expansion that can't realistically be done until the next full sequel.

Edit.
Also, I'd argue that the only thing you can tell is if it is rushed, if it feels rushed is something you can only tell for yourself by using it, but actually being rushed in development is just true or false and doesn't necessarily mean that there's something wrong with it, but I guess we don't actually know that, either. But I'm just talking semantics, nothing to do with Awakenings really...

Modifié par nerdage, 15 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

So why even attempt it? I was under the impression that we'd get expansions in game not a mini-sequel. :/

[melkathi]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

So why even attempt it? I was under the impression that we'd get expansions in game not a mini-sequel. :/

Or: why charge the price of a full sequel if it is only going to be a glorified DLC?  :innocent:

[lewgiffard]

I'm in with the BioWare love.

Some people just need to chillax a bit. Bad enough this forum is spammed top to bottom with complaints about a product that is still a month away from release.



Keep up the good work BioWare, I am a happy customer, and I'll keep coming back for more!

[Demx]

Blindly thanking a multi-million dollar corporation, or stating some constructive criticism. hmmm...

[Feraele]

And so is the Forum blackened

With each post you read in my Threads.

Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting.

You have brought Flame to the Forum

And doom upon all the community.

-------- end quote------------------



LOL! I love that hehe

[Wishpig]

melkathi wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Just ignore the whining and b****'in it will go away in time. I swear the bioware forums are so damn predictable it hurts.

The "Thanks Bioware" threads appearing just after any outburst of rage are just as predictable though.

Yes, but the mere fact the "thanks bioware" threads are positive in nature make them infinitly better. Negitive critiscim can be a very helpfull and important thing, but it is also negitive in nature, meaning it can more easily easily degenerate into unhelpfull nerd-rage.

Yeah kissy kissy threads are predictible, but their better then the opposit in my opinion.

Of course the middle ground between the two is buy far the best route, the most helpfull, and the most stable.

[Wynne]

I would've bought this first day if it seemed up to Bioware's standards. As it is, I don't know if I trust this content. The artwork looks really cool, but so far I'm not getting anything more than a "kill lots more enemies with your two generic allies" vibe.



Maybe I'm wrong, but I won't be finding that out firsthand. I'll wait to see what the feedback is before I buy it.

[Nerdage]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

So why even attempt it? I was under the impression that we'd get expansions in game not a mini-sequel. :/

Isn't that what an expansion is?

It's just a between-game nibble, I'd think you could play origins, skip Awakenings, play DA2 and not have missed any important plot lines. If the things that are important to you/that made origins good are missing in DA2, then that would be a real cause to complain I think.

Edit: spelling..

Modifié par nerdage, 15 février 2010 - 02:14 .

[melkathi]

Feraele wrote...

And so is the Forum blackened
With each post you read in my Threads.
Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting.
You have brought Flame to the Forum
And doom upon all the community.
-------- end quote------------------

LOL! I love that hehe

Thank you,
there were other verses which could be adapted, but I thought people might take it personally if I was to chant:
Blessed are they who stand before

The critics and the whinners and do not falter.

Blessed are the fanbois, the champions of the devs.
:innocent:

[Demx]

melkathi wrote...

Feraele wrote...

And so is the Forum blackened
With each post you read in my Threads.
Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting.
You have brought Flame to the Forum
And doom upon all the community.
-------- end quote------------------

LOL! I love that hehe

Thank you,
there were other verses which could be adapted, but I thought people might take it personally if I was to chant:
Blessed are they who stand before

The critics and the whinners and do not falter.

Blessed are the fanbois, the champions of the devs.
:innocent:

And blessed are the peacemakers whose voices often fall upon deaf ears.

[westiex9]

Let he who has faith in bioware sing the chant of praise, then shall the devs return, then shall the forum be made pure!

Pity the hater and the non believer, for they have not seen Bioware's glory and are doomed to wander the darkness, blind and tainted by their lack of faith.

[Sabriana]

@ Melkathi, Siradix and Westlex



Thank you for making my day. It's 9 a.m. here, and what better start than laughing heartily.

[TheMadCat]

Siradix wrote...

Blindly thanking a multi-million dollar corporation, or stating some constructive criticism. hmmm...

Constructive criticsm by who? Random people on the internet who don't know jack about game development and economics? People who play expert, ride on their high horses and cling onto this insane level of self entitlement?

Don't get me wrong, constrictive criticism is a great thing. But you see constructive criticsm is an offspring of knowledge and fact, neither of which anyone on this forum aside from those with a Bioware tag under their name possess as it pertainins to Awakening. People spewing OMG NO ROMANCE, OMG NO DLC, OMG THIS, OMG THAT, all of which is always followed by a I WANT I WANT I WANT. This is not constructive critiscm, this is pettiness and ignorance. People are so eager to say "this could have easily been done" and "there was no excuse to exclude that" and because they didn't do this and that they must have been cutting corners or the game was rushed or EA screwed us over again instead of stepping back a minute and thinking that maybe, just maybe this company which has been developing games for 15 years and these people whose profession is developing and writing games might actually have a pretty good freaking clue as to what they're doing. Maybe, God forbid, there is a logical and sensible reason these things were not included.

But hey, this is the internet. Commonsense takes a back seat to frantic panic and conspiracy while intelligence is about as hard to find as an honest politician or that perfect woman. I mean, who am I to try and bring some sunshine to everyone's rainy day parade.  

Modifié par TheMadCat, 15 février 2010 - 08:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

TheMadCat wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Blindly thanking a multi-million dollar corporation, or stating some constructive criticism. hmmm...

Constructive criticsm by who? Random people on the internet who don't know jack about game development and economics? People who play expert, ride on their high horses and cling onto this insane level of self entitlement?

Don't get me wrong, constrictive criticism is a great thing. But you see constructive criticsm is an offspring of knowledge and fact, neither of which anyone on this forum aside from those with a Bioware tag under their name possess as it pertainins to Awakening. People spewing OMG NO ROMANCE, OMG NO DLC, OMG THIS, OMG THAT, all of which is always followed by a I WANT I WANT I WANT. This is not constructive critiscm, this is pettiness and ignorance. People are so eager to say "this could have easily been done" and "there was no excuse to exclude that" and because they didn't do this and that they must have been cutting corners or the game was rushed or EA screwed us over again instead of stepping back a minute and thinking that maybe, just maybe this company which has been developing games for 15 years and these people whose profession is developing and writing games might actually have a pretty good freaking clue as to what they're doing. Maybe, God forbid, there is a logical and sensible reason these things were not included.

But hey, this is the internet. Commonsense takes a back seat to frantic panic and conspiracy while intelligence is about as hard to find as an honest politician or that perfect woman. I mean, who am I to try and bring some sunshine to everyone's rainy day parade.  

Hmm

Self entitlement, what are we getting this game for free now?  Holy balls I'm going to stop saying anything postive/negative regarding certain design decisions!

[Onyx Jaguar]

nerdage wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

So why even attempt it? I was under the impression that we'd get expansions in game not a mini-sequel. :/

Isn't that what an expansion is?

It's just a between-game nibble, I'd think you could play origins, skip Awakenings, play DA2 and not have missed any important plot lines. If the things that are important to you/that made origins good are missing in DA2, then that would be a real cause to complain I think.

Edit: spelling..

I suppose thats true

[Vuokseniska]

Why would people think it is rushed? Dragon age was delayed and they prolly had awakenings already set up while they sorted out the minor things in orgins. And the other hand if you play the orlesian you could prolly select in the story what happened by an npc stating something like do you remember the time that (select enora/allister/ or both) took the crown and marched to denerim with (select forces) where the warden sacrificed himself to save ferelden?



then the whole plot saved for all those dead wardens



(OMG. I MADE LOGICS ON DA INTERNETZ)