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[Onyx Jaguar]

Vuokseniska wrote...

Why would people think it is rushed? Dragon age was delayed and they prolly had awakenings already set up while they sorted out the minor things in orgins. And the other hand if you play the orlesian you could prolly select in the story what happened by an npc stating something like do you remember the time that (select enora/allister/ or both) took the crown and marched to denerim with (select forces) where the warden sacrificed himself to save ferelden?

then the whole plot saved for all those dead wardens

(OMG. I MADE LOGICS ON DA INTERNETZ)

Yes they could potentially do that.  I mean if you are going out of the way to create a new character it wouldn't be that obstructive. 

[TheMadCat]

Hmm

Self entitlement, what are we getting this game for free
now?  Holy balls I'm going to stop saying anything postive/negative
regarding certain design decisions!

A poor attempt at wit is not a very good argument.

See, Bioware is giving you the OPTION to purchase their product based on their choices and design which they feel lead to the best possible product. It then falls onto your shoulders to determine weather or not that product is for you. Feeling the game should have this and that feature simply because it is what you want even though it may not be what is best for the particular product or they may expand on in a future title is a pretty close definition to self entitlement.

Suggestions are fine, complaining and whining that something is not there and then backing that complaint up with a "It should be there" or "I want it there", which is all I have seen in this forum lately, are not suggestions.

Consrtuctive criticism is also great. But there is nothing for people to base any facts off of, the game is not out, no technical information has been released, nothing except a few vague answers have been said. So to compensate people are pulling things out of their ass in order to try and make a sensible argument, even though more then likely it is miles off base.

For some reason people are pounding away at Bioware for things they want instead of waiting and actually seeing why and how things were done the way they were. These folks are professionals and experts at what they do, when we have no facts I think it's fair to give them the benefit of the doubt. 

[Finiffa]

TheMadCat wrote...
Consrtuctive criticism is also great. But there is nothing for people to base any facts off of, the game is not out, no technical information has been released, nothing except a few vague answers have been said. So to compensate people are pulling things out of their ass in order to try and make a sensible argument, even though more then likely it is miles off base.

For some reason people are pounding away at Bioware for things they want instead of waiting and actually seeing why and how things were done the way they were. These folks are professionals and experts at what they do, when we have no facts I think it's fair to give them the benefit of the doubt. 

But people are basing their complaints on FACTS. The facts are in the FAQ posted bij Bioware.  No DLC is import is not vague at all. No romance is not vague at all. Those are facts that people are unhappy about. Compared to most gameforums I visit I see a lot of reasonable complaints here and comparably few "BIOWARE YOUR SUCK !!111111!!" threads. 
People read these facts and because they CARE about this game they express what they feel, hoping there is still  room for adjustment and change on Bioware's part. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yes because I am a rampant complainer at every single aspect of everything.

All I have said all along, and the main thing I was arguing about was the dead warden decision. My complaint in that was that they have both frameworks in place, as listed in their faq (Can start a new Warden, and can import the old one). But what is also listed is that when you import the dead warden save file you play as that dead warden. My complaint was why they wouldn't allow you to start the New Warden off of that save. If this is not a legitimate complaint then shoot me in the face with a nuclear warhead. 

And part of the reason I have been vocal about this is because I want to know if this was incorrectly stated in the FAQ or not.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 15 février 2010 - 09:14 .

[TheMadCat]

But people are basing their complaints on FACTS. The facts are in the
FAQ posted bij Bioware.  No DLC is import is not vague at all. No
romance is not vague at all. Those are facts that people are unhappy
about. Compared to most gameforums I visit I see a lot of reasonable
complaints here and comparably few "BIOWARE YOUR SUCK !!111111!!"
threads. 
People read these facts and because they CARE about this
game they express what they feel, hoping there is still  room for
adjustment and change on Bioware's part.

Facts are the "why". Why is the DLC not transferable? Why did they decide to go light on the romance? Why did the US ending get shafted? No one aside from Bioware has the answer to these rampant questions, yet in every thread I see people pretending to be experts say it's easy to transfer the DLC items or feel the game must have romance or it will be terrible or they are killing my character by not allowing my last romance to grow. We don't know why Bioware did what they did, yet people are automaticly assuming it's wrong and that corners were cut and the release was rushed. They have a roadmap for this game that goes out for years, Bioware has a plan for everything and a reason for everything but instead waiting to get this reason people are bashing them.

I understand people are not happy with the decisions, but it is far to late for Bioware to go in and change anything now. Yet instead of waiting to see how it is and why certain design choices were made, hey lets scream and make baseless arguments.

Yes because I am a rampant complainer at every single aspect of everything.

All
I have said all along, and the main thing I was arguing about was the
dead warden decision. My complaint in that was that they have both
frameworks in place, as listed in their faq (Can start a new Warden,
and can import the old one). But what is also listed is that when you
import the dead warden save file you play as that dead warden. My
complaint was why they wouldn't allow you to start the New Warden off
of that save. If this is not a legitimate complaint then shoot me in
the face with a nuclear warhead. 

And part of the reason I have been vocal about this is because I want to know if this was incorrectly stated in the FAQ or not.

Honestly I don't know if you're a rampant complainer or not, I simply replied to you because of that snide remark you made at me. I was never targetting any particualr individual, just the lump of fools who try to act like they know more then they really do, people asking or stating something reasonable I've got no problem with.

I actually agree with you on your argument though, the whole FAQ was kind of vague but the importing the undead warden was really unclear. I also don't like their decision to make the US ending completely obsolete if it is how I think it's going to be. Why they would make it pretty much obsolete I don't know, and sadly I don't think we'll ever really know.

[Sabriana]

Facts are simply that, facts. No DLC content is a fact, no romance is a fact. The 'why' is an explanation of those facts.

About the dead Warden, true enough. So far I understand that if the Warden made the ultimate sacrifice, her/his decisions nor her/his death matter or are even mentioned. Which, in turn, would nullify the play-through.

If a player chooses to import the dead Warden, she/he will get a different ending forced on them, which also nullifies the play-through and the development of the PC which led to the ultimate sacrifice. Aside from being silly, dead should be dead. This isn't Princess Bride, where there is a difference between all dead and mostly dead.

Anyway, that's how I understand it, and I don't seem to be alone in that.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I just reply with perceived attacks with sarcasm instead of other attacks (except for one where I called someone an ass), so its nothing personal I'd rather deal with frustration with sarcasm than getting emotionally wrecked over it.

[Ceridraen]

Sabriana wrote...

Facts are simply that, facts. No DLC content is a fact, no romance is a fact. The 'why' is an explanation of those facts.
About the dead Warden, true enough. So far I understand that if the Warden made the ultimate sacrifice, her/his decisions nor her/his death matter or are even mentioned. Which, in turn, would nullify the play-through.
If a player chooses to import the dead Warden, she/he will get a different ending forced on them, which also nullifies the play-through and the development of the PC which led to the ultimate sacrifice. Aside from being silly, dead should be dead. This isn't Princess Bride, where there is a difference between all dead and mostly dead.
Anyway, that's how I understand it, and I don't seem to be alone in that.

OK, suddenly I find myself wishing for a, "But I was only MOSTLY dead!" alternative.

[Vuokseniska]

Sabriana wrote...

Facts are simply that, facts. No DLC content is a fact, no romance is a fact. The 'why' is an explanation of those facts.
About the dead Warden, true enough. So far I understand that if the Warden made the ultimate sacrifice, her/his decisions nor her/his death matter or are even mentioned. Which, in turn, would nullify the play-through.
If a player chooses to import the dead Warden, she/he will get a different ending forced on them, which also nullifies the play-through and the development of the PC which led to the ultimate sacrifice. Aside from being silly, dead should be dead. This isn't Princess Bride, where there is a difference between all dead and mostly dead.
Anyway, that's how I understand it, and I don't seem to be alone in that.

Then you haven't read it well

[TheMadCat]

Facts are simply that, facts. No DLC content is a fact, no romance is a fact. The 'why' is an explanation of those facts.

True. Mind you I don't have a problem with people asking why DLC can't be transfered or saying they prefer the romances continue on. I'm just sick of people making statements that the dlc is simple to transfer or that without romances the game will be terrible and because they did these things it's obvious Bioware cut corners and copped out to EA. These type of remarks are based on nothing and sadly there are quite a bit of them on this forum, enough to hide away the reasonable requests and arguments.

I just reply with perceived attacks with sarcasm instead of other
attacks (except for one where I called someone an ass), so its nothing
personal I'd rather deal with frustration with sarcasm than getting
emotionally wrecked over it.

Fair enough, difficult to tell things like that over a forum. I got a little over zealous there though, forums and booze can be a bad combo.

[Sabriana]

Vuokseniska wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Facts are simply that, facts. No DLC content is a fact, no romance is a fact. The 'why' is an explanation of those facts.
About the dead Warden, true enough. So far I understand that if the Warden made the ultimate sacrifice, her/his decisions nor her/his death matter or are even mentioned. Which, in turn, would nullify the play-through.
If a player chooses to import the dead Warden, she/he will get a different ending forced on them, which also nullifies the play-through and the development of the PC which led to the ultimate sacrifice. Aside from being silly, dead should be dead. This isn't Princess Bride, where there is a difference between all dead and mostly dead.
Anyway, that's how I understand it, and I don't seem to be alone in that.

Then you haven't read it well

Oh? Judging from your informative post, you know the answers then? Do enlighten me, and please elaborate a bit more than simply writing "You can't read".

I derive  my information from the FAQ and the FAQ thread here, in case you are interested. If you have something productive to add, please, by all means, don't hold back.

[SinYang]

MadCat have you read this post in another thread?..

Forteg wrote...
Im slightly disappointed with the DAO romances not continuing into DAA, but maybe they will return in some future expansion? I hope so anyway as the romances were a big part of my main characters story. Im not that fussed about the DLC items, as the PS3 version of RTO isnt even out yet and it seems it is not worth buying now if the items just disappear in DAA, il just watch gameplay of it on youtube or something..

There will be many more like that. The DLC requests for awakenings can only help bioware make more sales instead of impacting "DLC" sales in a negative way. Of course we could all shutup and stop posting so this happens anyway, instead of highlighting the glaring issues/facts.

Lack of DLC transfers in Awakenings goes beyond my personal need to keep cailan's armor as a valued item. The expansion requires Origins to execute they arent separate entites. Some of us have been gaming for decades and thus cannot swallow such claims as "it was only for origins" in an expansion meant for the original game.

So far that is only reasoning given in the FAQ. Romances were addressed by David in more detail and im very glad he did that for us.

Had there been an in-game story reason made like in BG2/nwn I wouldnt have a problem with it, myself.
Editted for more clarity.

Modifié par SinYang, 15 février 2010 - 11:56 .

[Vuokseniska]

Sabriana wrote...

Vuokseniska wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Facts are simply that, facts. No DLC content is a fact, no romance is a fact. The 'why' is an explanation of those facts.
About the dead Warden, true enough. So far I understand that if the Warden made the ultimate sacrifice, her/his decisions nor her/his death matter or are even mentioned. Which, in turn, would nullify the play-through.
If a player chooses to import the dead Warden, she/he will get a different ending forced on them, which also nullifies the play-through and the development of the PC which led to the ultimate sacrifice. Aside from being silly, dead should be dead. This isn't Princess Bride, where there is a difference between all dead and mostly dead.
Anyway, that's how I understand it, and I don't seem to be alone in that.

Then you haven't read it well

Oh? Judging from your informative post, you know the answers then? Do enlighten me, and please elaborate a bit more than simply writing "You can't read".

I derive  my information from the FAQ and the FAQ thread here, in case you are interested. If you have something productive to add, please, by all means, don't hold back.

Simple you assume that the choices of your dead worden aren't being implemented  in the game. Though there is no mention of it.

like i stated a few posts above they could implemnet it in otherways  like an npc stating what has happened and you choose what happened. The statements are kinda vague on the whole dead warden. thing

[Wishpig]

SinYang wrote...
There will be many more like that. The DLC requests can only help bioware make more sales instead of losing sales. Of course we could all shutup and stop posting so this happens anyway, instead of highlighting the glaring issues/facts.

Heh, I hardly think it will have any real impact on sales...

Bottom line, bioware hasn't merely overlooked this. Their damn good at their trade and they know what their doing. Somewhere along the line they simply decided it wasn't practical to transfer DLC. Perhaps it's because it's so heavly modified to be inaccessible to modders, it was too difficult to program in. Or perhaps it would leave the DLC too unprotected as it would be part of the base game... rest assured somewhere along the line the wieghed the consquences and decided not transfering it was the way to go. I'm sure they predicted the backlash, and their smart enough to know it will mostly dissapate once people are a few hours into the game and have laid their hands on even cooler high tier armor.

[Sabriana]

Vuokseniska wrote...


Simple you assume that the choices of your dead worden aren't being implemented  in the game. Though there is no mention of it.

like i stated a few posts above they could implemnet it in otherways  like an npc stating what has happened and you choose what happened. The statements are kinda vague on the whole dead warden. thing

I also use assumptions. If you don't import the dead Warden, then the whole save-game can't be imported. That would be a feat to see, import everything but the dead girl/guy. If they can import the save game without the dead Warden, I'd be amazed and impressed.

If you import the dead Warden save-game, of course you also import her/his progress. However, the dead Warden can't be dead any longer.

It's the file that gets imported, not just the PC. That's what my understanding of the workings are. I mean, I know I'm no digital entertainment professional, but it just seems impossible to import only the save-file where all the decisions are stored, but ditch the dead Warden.

There's nothing wrong with thinking for yourself, and draw conclusions. If those conclusions are neither denied nor confirmed, then they will stay just that. But afaik there is simply no way to import a save file with the Warden's decisions without the PC her/himself. Hence, a resurrected Grey Warden.

I could be wrong, especially with my limited knowledge of digital entertainment design and implementation, but the thought is surely not illogical.

[melkathi]

Sabriana wrote...

@ Melkathi, Siradix and Westlex

Thank you for making my day. It's 9 a.m. here, and what better start than laughing heartily.

Why are you up so early on a sunday???

Edit: ok I just been informed that it's Monday... good thing today is a holliday over here, otherwise that would have been bad (but not as bad as swooping)

Modifié par melkathi, 15 février 2010 - 12:10 .

[ankuu]

_Ermehtar_ wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

You could have used the 'numerous threads' to write what you did...

So your satisfied with someting you not even seen/played/can have an opinion on? hmmm....easily satisfied then are we? hehe

No worse than having people ****** and cry like little school girls over an expansion they haven't tried yet.
Or the countless spam threads regarding the same darn things. booh-freaking-whoo.
Some posetive vibes around here is what's needed. But give it a couple of days and the rants will be gone.

No Romance!!
By your girlfriend some sexy underwear and invite her to a candle light dinner.

No DLC items!!
Think about the possible new cool items in awakening.

I sooo agree to you!

First there were the Oghren or no Oghren threads, now there are complaints about dlc/romances. It's like people NEED to make another thread about the same subject, not just post a response at a already made one.

Stop complaining! Or you go do the game. Also, you are not obliged to buy anything.

O totally trust Bioware. They will have an amazing expansion AND the sequel will be the game of the year.

Modifié par ankuu, 15 février 2010 - 12:45 .

[DJ0000]

Are there things I'm disappointed about? Yes, but I trust the game will be good so I'm looking foreward to it.



I'll still look at a couple of reveiws before buying it though.

[kyles3]

i'd like to thank bioware for not releasing RTO on ps3. in the exceedingly long wait for said release i've learned two important things: that it has much less overall content than previous dlc, and that its items won't be any use to me in awakenings.

thanks for saving me five bucks, bioware!

Modifié par kyles3, 15 février 2010 - 02:33 .

[Sabriana]

ankuu wrote...

_Ermehtar_ wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

You could have used the 'numerous threads' to write what you did...

So your satisfied with someting you not even seen/played/can have an opinion on? hmmm....easily satisfied then are we? hehe

No worse than having people ****** and cry like little school girls over an expansion they haven't tried yet.
Or the countless spam threads regarding the same darn things. booh-freaking-whoo.
Some posetive vibes around here is what's needed. But give it a couple of days and the rants will be gone.

No Romance!!
By your girlfriend some sexy underwear and invite her to a candle light dinner.

No DLC items!!
Think about the possible new cool items in awakening.

I sooo agree to you!

First there were the Oghren or no Oghren threads, now there are complaints about dlc/romances. It's like people NEED to make another thread about the same subject, not just post a response at a already made one.

Stop complaining! Or you go do the game. Also, you are not obliged to buy anything.

O totally trust Bioware. They will have an amazing expansion AND the sequel will be the game of the year.

I trust no one who tries to sell me something. I always research, especially if it'll cost me good chunk of cash. So I certainly welcome discussion, very much so.

By the way, that goes for threads as well. If you don't like what is discussed in one, don't go there. It is considered rude
to tell people to stfu and gtho simply because your opinion doesn't match that of others.

[Dethanos]

Wishpig wrote...

Heh, I hardly think it will have any real impact on sales...

It probably won't have a significant affect on Awakening sales, but it will certainly affect future DLC sales. If I had known about this sooner, I certainly wouldn't have purchased RtO.

[Wishpig]

Dethanos wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Heh, I hardly think it will have any real impact on sales...

It probably won't have a significant affect on Awakening sales, but it will certainly affect future DLC sales. If I had known about this sooner, I certainly wouldn't have purchased RtO.

No argument on that one, I don't see many people dropping $$$ on WK or RtO after Awakaning.

[melkathi]

The real thing that upset me the past couple of days, now that the new info about Awakening is out (besides Velanna's hair, which to me screams "rushed, cheap grab for cash") is the fact that the forum has no ignore feature.

All "block user" does is prevent them from sending you PMs...

[Tyragon]

I feel pity for the person who made this thread, it seems to be impossible to have atleast one whine-free thread on this section. All the people seem to think about is "me me me me me me me, my opinion, my things, my thoughts, my my my mine everything! I am the center of the universe!"



Though, I aint going to start another arguement upon this, neither care whoever quotes me.





Thanks Bioware,



you have blessed us with another great game. I am 100% satisfied and I can say Dragon Age introduced me to a new world of adventure that only Tolkien with Lord of the Ring, Bilbo and all that in it has satisfied me. I believe Dragon Age can come far if keeped up like this, it is -- not one of the -- but THE favorite RPG game for me.





I except the sadness of no DLC items for Awakening (I really loved the Warden Commander armor and Duncan's weapons), and the romance, which I actually think is not so needed. I got my faith in you to make Awakening even greater of a story than the first with even more endless adventures and awesomeness.



More of my opinions (yes folks, you may stop reading here) I love how Oghren is back. Dwarves have been my favorite characters in every game and story. I believe there's lots of more awesome drunkness for Oghren to give us!

[melkathi]

Tyragon wrote...

I feel pity for the person who made this thread, it seems to be impossible to have atleast one whine-free thread on this section. All the people seem to think about is "me me me me me me me, my opinion, my things, my thoughts, my my my mine everything! I am the center of the universe!"

Though, I aint going to start another arguement upon this, neither care whoever quotes me.


Thanks Bioware,

you have blessed us with another great game. I am 100% satisfied and I can say Dragon Age introduced me to a new world of adventure that only Tolkien with Lord of the Ring, Bilbo and all that in it has satisfied me. I believe Dragon Age can come far if keeped up like this, it is -- not one of the -- but THE favorite RPG game for me.


I except the sadness of no DLC items for Awakening (I really loved the Warden Commander armor and Duncan's weapons), and the romance, which I actually think is not so needed. I got my faith in you to make Awakening even greater of a story than the first with even more endless adventures and awesomeness.

More of my opinions (yes folks, you may stop reading here) I love how Oghren is back. Dwarves have been my favorite characters in every game and story. I believe there's lots of more awesome drunkness for Oghren to give us!

Heh, sorry to say this, but this post is ridiculous.
The original post was a whine about whining. The thread could not be whine-free since the whining started in the first sentence of the first post.
And how can you honestly complain about "me me me me me me me, my opinion, my things, my thoughts, my my my mine everything! I am the center of the universe!" when you yourself state that you don't care about responses? If you are only here to post and to hell with the rest, aren't you the worst whining selfish troll of the whole lot?

As for your open letter to Bioware... nah not going to comment. Then I'd really have to get rude.