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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm trying to post here thoughtfully while ignoring the OP's complete genocide of the English language and general common sense...

Let's see, the FTL cooldown was probably correct, as well as you need to coordinate FTL jumps so you don't run into something along the way. EDI can do this really fast, but she's a computer, so obviously.

The beam WAS moving, I just replayed the intro video. Flying straight would not have saved them. Not to mention the Normandy was already at a disadvantage with it's specs being outmatched by the Collector ship. Plot wise, they've been hunting Geth for a long time, no one was really expecting a huge vessel capable of seeing through their stealth systems to just pop out of nowhere.

Besides, Joker said in the first game that piloting the Normandy was harder than other ships based on the weird weight distribution. So he messed up once, it was a surprise attack. Considering he kept them mobile enough to get most of the crew into the escape pods...I think you're just whining because you don't like the character.

Or they hate Seth Green for some stupid reason. They also seem to forget that had it not been for Joker in ME Shep probably would've never stopped Saren because I doubt any other pilot could have done that move he did when they went to Ilos

[banana boat super banana]

If Anderson hadn't picked Shepard as his XO...

Modifié par banana boat super banana, 14 février 2010 - 10:53 .

[SarEnyaDor]

How can you hate Seth Green?



unpossible

[FlashedMyDrive]

Tokala42 wrote...

Could he even walk in that part of the story? I swear I read somewhere that he had cybernetic treatment from cerberus to help him walk, albeit with a limp...sorry if I'm wrong on that.

You're right, at that point, Joker could not have made his way to the escape pods without assistance. Unless he had a wheelchair/crutches stashed somewhere.

[SarEnyaDor]

This one does not recall seeing braces or wheel chair in the cockpit.

[locowolfie]

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm trying to post here thoughtfully while ignoring the OP's complete genocide of the English language and general common sense...

FYI i love seth i just stated that i dont like the character of joker. also really theres a whole world thats not born speaking the english language, so really how very selfcentered to even comment on somebodys language knowing that its a forum where people from all over the world come how old are you 14???

[madisk]

locowolfie wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm trying to post here thoughtfully while ignoring the OP's complete genocide of the English language and general common sense...

FYI i love seth i just stated that i dont like the character of joker. also really theres a whole world thats not born speaking the english language, so really how very selfcentered to even comment on somebodys language knowing that its a forum where people from all over the world come how old are you 14???

Off topic, but

Forums - English
Discussion of BioWare games and news.

It's not that hard to learn any language, especially English, which is definitely the easiest language I've ever learned. I'm a multilingual myself and English is my fourth language. And I'm 20 years old.

Poor sentence structure = poor intelligence. But that's just IMO.

[locowolfie]

well then ill see you back when your speaking dutch see how good your sentence structure will be

[Forsakerr]

madisk wrote...

locowolfie wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm trying to post here thoughtfully while ignoring the OP's complete genocide of the English language and general common sense...

FYI i love seth i just stated that i dont like the character of joker. also really theres a whole world thats not born speaking the english language, so really how very selfcentered to even comment on somebodys language knowing that its a forum where people from all over the world come how old are you 14???

Off topic, but

Forums - English
Discussion of BioWare games and news.

It's not that hard to learn any language, especially English, which is definitely the easiest language I've ever learned. I'm a multilingual myself and English is my fourth language. And I'm 20 years old.

Poor sentence structure = poor intelligence. But that's just IMO.

poor sentence structure does not equal poor intelligence , most of my friends were raised  and only used french (Quebec,Canada) depending where you live in here you have the possibility to never hear english  at all (beside school or TV), so when those friends try to use english they blow, some learned it like me by themselves and had the opportunity to use it, i used to be in the Canadian army and i worked outside my province so i had to learn it
 
from lack of practice people tend to forget how it works and with the basic english they teach in school (in here at least) if you never use it you ll never be able to use that language correctly , some people have to think and translate it in their head before attempting to write or talk with it and others are able to think in english , since i was lucky in a way i can have conversations in english with no problems at all but most my friends can't , here if you dont live in the only bilingual city which is Montreal (which only a small part of the people there speak english) you ll probably never have to speak english at all in your life unless you travel , so in that case people dont pay attention to the english course we had when we were young and never use it again so when they try to use it it s normal that they lack the proper skill to use it

So, good for you if you were able to learn multiple languages and been able to use them but saying that someone lacks intelligence because they dont have proper sentence structure just makes you sound less intelligent than the ones who tries to use it since you can't understand that not all people get in contact with english often so it s normal they have difficulties making sentences , but it s my opinion

[camoboy_19]

I don't understand how anyone can hate Joker. He is one of the funniest guys in the game. In the depressing and grim story that is Mass Effect, its good to have someone who never has the pole up his butt, and I don't think anyone can forget how he saves the mission more than once in ME1.



Joker FTW

[Phil725]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

locowolfie wrote...

when you look at it the idiot got you killed i never liked the guy anyways but ever since ME2 i hate the dude cuz he got me killed and now im stuck working for cerberus

*EDIT*

also i find it funny that he is the only one you cant kill in the end-game i really wanted to kill the idiot

He got you killed because he didnt evacuate like everyone else, at the beginning on the game, I had to go after the ******, and got killed in the process

Shepard's stupidity isn't Joker's fault.  Joker was more than willing to risk his own life trying to save the Normandy while letting everyone else escape in the escape pods.  Shepard himself made a conscious decision that risking his own life to save Joker's was worth it.  That was a heroic, but stupid move in my eyes.  Shepard is too valuable to all galactic life to be risking it for an expendable pilot. 

Blaming pilot error seems short sighted as well.  Joker has no knowledge of the situation, enemy weapons/tactics anything.  It doesn't help that the Normandy isn't equipped for any kind of defense.  Stealth is it's defense, get rid of stealth (which obviously the collector ship could do,) and it may as well be a normal ship. 

The truth is that it was no ones fault really, you don't blame someone getting ambushed because they didn't act superhumanly in response. 

And as far as working with Cerberus being bad, would you prefer to be working for the alliance with them grounding you and having you work on paperwork while the reapers get here?  Keep in mind, the reapers don't exist to the alliance.

Modifié par Phil725, 15 février 2010 - 10:27 .

[MICHELLE7]

I was mad at him at first but as far as I'm concerned he redeemed himself at the end with the part with him and EDI...it's the best part of the whole game.

[SpideyKnight]

@Drathan Where does Tali say: "I'm just going to stand behind you then. I trust your armor is in good shape?"



I noticed the dip and dive as well. When he banked left, he should've just kept on that trajectory. He has a window he can see the beam to his right. Why powerslide into it? After that he could've pulled that turn that he pulled at the battle of the citadel, the one that would've probably sheered the Normandy in half, but he did it anyway. Bank left, pull the Sovereign one-shot v. 2.0 on the collector ship and it would've been sunshine and roses. But none of that, we need our protagonist to die and we're going to make Joker look like a rookie in the process, grats to us.

[Forwen]

I can't stand Joker. He's insubordinate, arrogant, stuck up, and a danger to the crew. The only reason Shepard dies is because he disobeys a direct order, more than once. Shep getting spaced is a matter of two seconds, maybe less, time that could've been saved if Joker left his seat immediately rather than arguing.

And yet the game doesn't acknowledge that. I can't stop my Shep from gushing at this moron when he shows up in ME2, and I guess I'll be stuck with him througout ME3 as well.

The only possible defence of Joker here imo is that the whole Prologue is very badly written; I remember Ash also disobeying Shep's orders when she shows up, and you'd think they'd have a predefined procedure for getting a disabled crewmember into the escape pod, one that doesn't involve the commanding officer running through two decks as the ship is falling apart around them. If they don't, don't hire disabled people.

Modifié par Forwen, 16 février 2010 - 12:18 .

[SarEnyaDor]

It is obvious Shep loves Joker and can't let him die ... I mean you didn't see her trying to save any of those 20 other people that died...

[General Balls]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

You're right, at that point, Joker could not have made his way to the escape pods without assistance. Unless he had a wheelchair/crutches stashed somewhere.

Crutches wouldn't work, I think. The bones in his arms are just as brittle as those in his legs. Using crutches would only change which bones he broke.

[SarEnyaDor]

He tells us in game (ME1) that the syndrome only affects his legs, and he doesn't fly the ship with his legs.

[RAZZberree]

Oh it's THIS thread again. Tee hee.



Alot of what I want to say has been said already. However, you have to keep in mind that Shepard is still defined as a character, if Mass Effect were like Dragon Age then you'd be able to ditch Seth Green Joker in the bridge. However, this is NOT Dragon Age and Shepard, again, has a pretty pre-determined personality. Part of who Shepard is, is that he/she's willing to go to great lengths for his/her crew and squad.



You could replace Joker with a different character and still get mixed views on the issue. Like if someone asked me if Liara was the pilot and couldn't make it to the pods because the console blew up and injured her legs, would I save her? Personally, I'd rather let her die because I hate Liara, but personal feelings shouldn't get in the way of saving someone's life, someone's that helped you. So, I'd save Liara.



Also, I think Joker wanted to stay behind for both selfish, and not so selfish reasons. Reasoning one, he loves the Normandy, it's his home, his baby, listen for the Han reference when your running to him. Reason two, he's the crippled pilot, he's not going to be able to get to the pods on his own and is more than willing to sacrifice himself so everyone else can get the hell out of dodge. Someone said that Joker probably wasn't banking on Shepard coming to get him, and who knows, maybe a part of him was hoping he/she wouldn't because there was a great chance they both wouldn't survive.



Shepard not going back for Joker seems really ****ty in my opinion. Does Shepard really consider themselves this totally awesome person that they deserve to live more than another person? I think I'd stop playing the game if Shepard was a vain ass like that.



On a side note, I'd happily sacrifice myself so Seth Green Joker could live.

[HelterSkelter89]

no your trying to be a hero (successfully) got you killed.

[xzxzxz701]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

This one does not recall seeing braces or wheel chair in the cockpit.

Thats why Shepard kept Wrex around, to give Joker piggy back rides.

[Wild Still]

If I was Shepard I would have left his gimpy ass on the SR1.



Even though his dialogue makes me think of Robot Chicken, and those thoughts are always good.

[Forwen]

RAZZberree wrote...


Shepard not going back for Joker seems really ****ty in my opinion. Does Shepard really consider themselves this totally awesome person that they deserve to live more than another person? I think I'd stop playing the game if Shepard was a vain ass like that.

Abandoning Joker would be a pretty valid Renegade response. Shep is quite valuable after all, it's in the best interest of the galaxy to acknowledge that. Same way you can decide to not go after your crew  immediately when they get Collected.

In general I believe that whoever wrote the Prologue is at fault here. Seriously, beginning of ME2 is like a graveyard where all bad elements of this otherwise brilliant game go to die (zombieShep being another one).

Modifié par Forwen, 16 février 2010 - 01:45 .