Uh-huh...right. You do know that most people like Joker, eh? Oh, and I think you're probably a troll. If you really want to get him killed, feel free to run up to a Collector with Joker when they board the Normandy. That way you can kill him and end the game right then and there. Enjoy.
joker got you killed :P
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#52
Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:54
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He didn't get you killed the first time, but the second time when commander shepard is runnin and jumpin and jumps and joker catches him and then he lets go and shepard falls. So yeah...
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:59
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DrathanGervaise wrote... <--- I do not approve of this thread.
SarEnyaDor wrote... I think this thread is a misguided
call for help, obviously Op can't deal with his feelings for Joker, so
he's lashing out at him....
All of these are pretty much the only logical statements (other then the larger arguements that I did not post) On this whole thread, abandoning joker would kill the game, it's not the same without joker, It's like Mass Effect 2 without choices, impossible.Cascadus wrote... Did this dude play ME1? Does he realize
Joker's got Vrolik's Syndrome? Seriously. Joker is like the funniest,
and one of the best characters in ME2. The thread starter is either an
idiot or a troll.
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#54
Posté 16 février 2010 - 02:07
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I have no problem with Shepard dieing going back to save Joker. In some sense both of their actions seem perfectly logical.
The whole thing about Joker in ME2 that bugs me is there is no apology from Joker afterwards. No survivors guilt. Something along the line of "Geez boss, I'm sorry about the whole, getting spaced and dieing thing, saving my sorry ass" would have been nice.
The whole thing about Joker in ME2 that bugs me is there is no apology from Joker afterwards. No survivors guilt. Something along the line of "Geez boss, I'm sorry about the whole, getting spaced and dieing thing, saving my sorry ass" would have been nice.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 02:12
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Refereeess wrote...
I have no problem with Shepard dieing going back to save Joker. In some sense both of their actions seem perfectly logical.
The whole thing about Joker in ME2 that bugs me is there is no apology from Joker afterwards. No survivors guilt. Something along the line of "Geez boss, I'm sorry about the whole, getting spaced and dieing thing, saving my sorry ass" would have been nice.
I thought the same thing. I mean Shepard died saving him (NOT saying that it's his fault, if anything it's Shepard's fault for taking an extra second to look at the explosion instead of hopping straight into the pod) you think he'd at least comment on it.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 02:13
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He keeps his guilt close to his chest, hidden in a thin veneer of sarcasm, inside he dies a little everytime one of your scars glow orange...
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 02:34
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PoliteAssasin wrote...
He didn't get you killed the first time, but the second time when commander shepard is runnin and jumpin and jumps and joker catches him and then he lets go and shepard falls. So yeah...
Umm...Joker got shot while he was pulling you up....I think. I saw a blood spatter when he dropped Shepard. So really, it's still not his fault.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 07:10
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well emotion about joker aside (i know its hard to ask) sinds so many people react to posts affecting "their favorite char" lash out. The point is i feel joker is an ass, yeah he is probably the best pilot in the aliance. However he's arogant and disobeys orders (remember the ME1 save after liara, his whole i want a medal thing) Its his job it dus not make him special. It makes him a bad soldier who puts his team in danger.So by not folowing orders he is directly responsible for getting shepard killed, and i would just like to have had to posibility of leaving him to die. The game says make your own story different from your friends and such so let me kill the idiot pilot if i want to.
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#59
Posté 16 février 2010 - 07:13
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His bad flying is the only thing that gets you killed. Lets face it Joker is needs to learn to turn more when beams are firing at the ship instead of circling the beam
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 07:15
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To be honest I don't know why they kept Joker or named and modeled the new ship after Normandy. I really felt no attachment to either. Would have been nice to have a totally different ship, and a new pilot.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 07:16
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Movement and objects are differently relevant in space than on some planet, so you can't tell if Joker flew the ship into the beam or was doing the most awesome dodging maneuver if all time and Collectors happened to anticipate it.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 07:27
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locowolfie wrote...
Gar_Logan wrote...
I'm trying to post here thoughtfully while ignoring the OP's complete genocide of the English language and general common sense...
FYI i love seth i just stated that i dont like the character of joker. also really theres a whole world thats not born speaking the english language, so really how very selfcentered to even comment on somebodys language knowing that its a forum where people from all over the world come how old are you 14???
I'm 28 and I think that not at least attempting to use proper grammer is rude. If you want to post on message boards in English then maybe you should learn to use the language properly so that other people on the boards can understand what you are saying.
BTW Joker is my homie, so don't mess with him. <_<
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 07:29
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catgirl789 wrote...
Refereeess wrote...
I have no problem with Shepard dieing going back to save Joker. In some sense both of their actions seem perfectly logical.
The whole thing about Joker in ME2 that bugs me is there is no apology from Joker afterwards. No survivors guilt. Something along the line of "Geez boss, I'm sorry about the whole, getting spaced and dieing thing, saving my sorry ass" would have been nice.
I thought the same thing. I mean Shepard died saving him (NOT saying that it's his fault, if anything it's Shepard's fault for taking an extra second to look at the explosion instead of hopping straight into the pod) you think he'd at least comment on it.
This.
And the ship was almost broken in half by the time Shep got there. There was nothing to save. Even thogh both their positions are reasonable the simple fact is that Shep died because of Joker.
The only reason Shep wasn't in a pod was because Joker wouldn't leave.
He had to go get him.
Because of that Shep didn't get to the pod.
Shep died.
It's not trolling. It's not Joker hating. It's a simple fact.
Joker should have expressed some guilt over that. Shep could've just said, "Don't worry. We both did what we thought we had to."
But it doesn't even seem to occur to Joker.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 07:35
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Joker are working for the reapers! Don't believe me? Then how come he was the only one the collectors didn't kidnap? And he got you killed once probably waiting for another chance in ME3. Seriously though, it would be awesome if ME3 had a twist like this.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 08:28
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Darth_Ultima wrote...
locowolfie wrote...
Gar_Logan wrote...
I'm trying to post here thoughtfully while ignoring the OP's complete genocide of the English language and general common sense...
FYI i love seth i just stated that i dont like the character of joker. also really theres a whole world thats not born speaking the english language, so really how very selfcentered to even comment on somebodys language knowing that its a forum where people from all over the world come how old are you 14???
I'm 28 and I think that not at least attempting to use proper grammer is rude. If you want to post on message boards in English then maybe you should learn to use the language properly so that other people on the boards can understand what you are saying.
BTW Joker is my homie, so don't mess with him. <_<
well my english is perfectly understandable even if my grammar might be off a litle due to the fact that im a born and bred dutchman and as such i think its BS to comment on somebody who isnt a natively speaking english(man) so i think its just selfcentered (and are the kind of people who come to another country and expect that they will talk english when you talk to them in it)
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 08:42
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As I said in the other thread. The collectors are using a beam weapon, this is a light speed weapon and you CAN NOT see it before it hits.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 08:48
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I think I'll always have a fond spot for Joker? Why? Because out of all the crew, he was the only one in ME1 that acknowledged you had a hard choice to make on Vermire and tried to show you some support on it. The other survivor whined about it (especially Kaidan)
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Vaemer-Riit wrote...
As I said in the other thread. The collectors are using a beam weapon, this is a light speed weapon and you CAN NOT see it before it hits.
Huh?? All light travels at the speed of light, are you telling me you cant see light??
This isnt a bullet, its a ray if light, but thats beside that point, im thinking that the normandy has sensors, and those sensors can pick up the power increase from when that ship is gona fire.
Joker makeing that corkscrew makes no sense, he should have dived or something.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 08:59
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KorPhaeron11 wrote...
This isnt a bullet, its a ray if light, but thats beside that point, im thinking that the normandy has sensors, and those sensors can pick up the power increase from when that ship is gona fire.
If that ship were any sort of 'standard' vessel than perhaps. But the Normandy was designed to face known weapons, which on anything it could have expected to face are projectile, not energy.
They had no idea what the ship coming at them really was, what an energy buildup might mean, or even that it had energy weapons.
Joker and the Normandy were much better prepared on the rematch with the ship.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 09:06
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KorPhaeron11 wrote...
Huh?? All light travels at the speed of light, are you telling me you cant see light??
This isnt a bullet, its a ray if light, but thats beside that point, im thinking that the normandy has sensors, and those sensors can pick up the power increase from when that ship is gona fire.
Joker makeing that corkscrew makes no sense, he should have dived or something.
What Im saying is that Joker can't track where the beam is going to hit like he could if it was some kind of projectile weapon. You can't even see that the ship is shooting at you untill the beam reaches your ship.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 09:08
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Cutlass Jack wrote...
KorPhaeron11 wrote...
This isnt a bullet, its a ray if light, but thats beside that point, im thinking that the normandy has sensors, and those sensors can pick up the power increase from when that ship is gona fire.
If that ship were any sort of 'standard' vessel than perhaps. But the Normandy was designed to face known weapons, which on anything it could have expected to face are projectile, not energy.
They had no idea what the ship coming at them really was, what an energy buildup might mean, or even that it had energy weapons.
Joker and the Normandy were much better prepared on the rematch with the ship.
Seriously, think this through, you are hunting geth, an unknown cruiser size ship starts comming towards your little frigate, your sensors detect an energy spike from that ship and you do what??
In a logical world you try to get the hell outa there.
Also the enegy beam weapon, it doesnt matter if the ship fired a projectile or a torpedo or whatever, the point is that you try to get out of his front sights. A ship that big cant turn as fast as a frigade, The point is that joker didnt try to dive or turn or climb, he stayed on the same trajectory, which even a flight academy dropout knows not to do.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 09:18
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KorPhaeron11 wrote...
Seriously, think this through, you are hunting geth, an unknown cruiser size ship starts comming towards your little frigate, your sensors detect an energy spike from that ship and you do what??
In a logical world you try to get the hell outa there.
Also the enegy beam weapon, it doesnt matter if the ship fired a projectile or a torpedo or whatever, the point is that you try to get out of his front sights. A ship that big cant turn as fast as a frigade, The point is that joker didnt try to dive or turn or climb, he stayed on the same trajectory, which even a flight academy dropout knows not to do.
You're making a huge assumption that you could detect the energy spike to begin with. Its the Normandy, not the Enterprise. And who's to say its not those massive engines on that thing you're sensing?
Also, that beam did not fire in a straight line off the nose of that ship. It was a turreted system that could fire at nearly any angle. Standard evasive techniques would not apply. There were no 'front sights.' Watch the scene again.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 09:28
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Cutlass Jack wrote...
KorPhaeron11 wrote...
Seriously, think this through, you are hunting geth, an unknown cruiser size ship starts comming towards your little frigate, your sensors detect an energy spike from that ship and you do what??
In a logical world you try to get the hell outa there.
Also the enegy beam weapon, it doesnt matter if the ship fired a projectile or a torpedo or whatever, the point is that you try to get out of his front sights. A ship that big cant turn as fast as a frigade, The point is that joker didnt try to dive or turn or climb, he stayed on the same trajectory, which even a flight academy dropout knows not to do.
You're making a huge assumption that you could detect the energy spike to begin with. Its the Normandy, not the Enterprise. And who's to say its not those massive engines on that thing you're sensing?
Also, that beam did not fire in a straight line off the nose of that ship. It was a turreted system that could fire at nearly any angle. Standard evasive techniques would not apply. There were no 'front sights.' Watch the scene again.
It could only fire at a maybe 24-30 degree angle otherwise it would hit itself.
About the engine thingy, they were already on, the normandy would have already picked them up, otherwise how did thoses guys know it was a ship and not an asteroid, the spike would have come when the ship got ready to fire and had used more energy from its reactors to power the weapon.
Like you said its not startrek and that ship isnt a cloaked Romulan Warbird, any ship in space has emisions(radiation from its reactor), the more reactor power it uses the higher the emisions.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 09:44
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Look I didn't read any of this thread so w.e..
I was thinking about this the other day and thought to myself,Damn Joker got you killed because I wasn't renagade or wasn't mean enough if you are a renagade.In ME2 I would have told Joker hey it's nothing personal but I need a pilot who can get up and get the f out of dodge when time needs be.Because Shep had to help Joker in the begining of the game Shep died saving Joker,and if I'm right thats how it happens at end game ME2 if every1 dies.I would be happy with any of the top 10 pilots in the galaxy,even if there alien...I mean at some point its you or Joker and you save Joker?Shepard needs to live or is 10x's more important then Joker.
Edit:At the begining when other crewmate states Joker won't leave...O well then I guess he gets to die with the ship?NO choice you go up there and give your life(Shep) for Joker a random crippled pilot???
And I play as paragon Shep.
I was thinking about this the other day and thought to myself,Damn Joker got you killed because I wasn't renagade or wasn't mean enough if you are a renagade.In ME2 I would have told Joker hey it's nothing personal but I need a pilot who can get up and get the f out of dodge when time needs be.Because Shep had to help Joker in the begining of the game Shep died saving Joker,and if I'm right thats how it happens at end game ME2 if every1 dies.I would be happy with any of the top 10 pilots in the galaxy,even if there alien...I mean at some point its you or Joker and you save Joker?Shepard needs to live or is 10x's more important then Joker.
Edit:At the begining when other crewmate states Joker won't leave...O well then I guess he gets to die with the ship?NO choice you go up there and give your life(Shep) for Joker a random crippled pilot???
And I play as paragon Shep.
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