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[HomicidialFrog]

charliekrad wrote...

Its a game,

• do you really think everyone in the universe speak english,
• do you think that you can bring someone back from the dead,
• shields i dont think their is such thing as shields,

i could name many more things
please its a game go and enjoy it

1. Explained in the Codex. Translators

2. Nothing's impossible, a certain man tried to find a way someone could fly, but got laughed at because everyone thought it was impossible.

3. Of course, because they haven't been invented yet. Once again, it's possible that in the future they could invent kinetic barriers.

Mass Effect is known for it's awesome story and universe, therefore everything must be logical otherwise the Universe sucks and is unbelieveable.

[Frotality]

wizard smiley made it so.


but seriously bioware, the best of the best in the galaxy should not be risking life and limb so they can wear high heels and S&M straps. real armor for ME3 plz, the rules of science and combat magically not applying to only your squad is a bit of an immersion-killer. no..its a :sick:MAJOR:sick: immersion killer.

[Tyraelis]

PiercedMonk wrote...

Mass effect fields. It's how everything else in the galaxy works.

If it bothers you that much, you can take Tali and Garrus with you to those planets. 'Mass Effect 1' veterns apparently dress more sensibly than their 'ME 2' compatriots. Well, except for Garrus' busted ass armour.

I was about to use the same explanation.  In the opening sequence, you can see that Joker has a mass effect field over his face from just a simple mask/helmet; it makes sense that the gear that everyone else wears could generate a Mass effect bubble thin enough to provide protection against escaped gas.

Besides, I didn't spot any planets that we landed on for sidemissions that lacked an atmosphere or had toxins.

[DariusKalera]

Tyraelis wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

Mass effect fields. It's how everything else in the galaxy works.

If it bothers you that much, you can take Tali and Garrus with you to those planets. 'Mass Effect 1' veterns apparently dress more sensibly than their 'ME 2' compatriots. Well, except for Garrus' busted ass armour.

I was about to use the same explanation.  In the opening sequence, you can see that Joker has a mass effect field over his face from just a simple mask/helmet; it makes sense that the gear that everyone else wears could generate a Mass effect bubble thin enough to provide protection against escaped gas.

Besides, I didn't spot any planets that we landed on for sidemissions that lacked an atmosphere or had toxins.

There is one planet that you can run through that has clouds of chlorine gas all over it.  That stuff should eat out your eyeballs if theyre unprotected.

If everyone's gear can make that field, then why does Shepherd need to continue wearing his helmet in those environments?  Or, if Miranda's jumpsuit and Jack's strap top provide the same amount of environmental/tactical protection as Shepherd's armor, which apperently they do, why does he wear it? 

The answer to all of this is very simple.  Money talks.  They paid Yvonne Strahovski alot of money to be able to use her face and voice.  Once that is done, they can't really cover it up with a helmet, not matter how badly it breaks lore and immersion. 

Jack's strap top?  Sex sells.  Can't really have a half naked chick running around if she is in full battle armor. 

Because of this, the developers decided to fudge a few aspects of the game.

[Lyrandori]

Davian1980 wrote...

Same reason you see them fighting in normal clothing instead of armor.

I couldn't have said it better.

[thethain]

If you have ever played gears of war, haze, or any other space shooter game, you would know that wearing a full helmet is about the surest way to get yourself killed as there is.

[jklinders]

Everyone wore a hardsuit in ME1. In ME2 only Shepard and Tali are. In ME1 it was possible to have all the characters in battle armor in combat and regular clothes on ship. Yes it's just a game, but frankly it is a little silly.

[Quadraxas]

KentGoldings wrote...

Quadraxas wrote...

implants

How does silicone help?

i didnot mean breast implants. I meant the mods that cerberus installed on shephard.

[Wintermist]

What sort of explanation could there possibly be?

[Valmy]

jklinders wrote...

Everyone wore a hardsuit in ME1. In ME2 only Shepard and Tali are. In ME1 it was possible to have all the characters in battle armor in combat and regular clothes on ship. Yes it's just a game, but frankly it is a little silly.

Yeah the universe should be consistent within itself.

[Skyblade012]

The only time I know of that you are actually in a deep-space environment, is right at the beginning when the Normandy is being blasted to smithereens. The rest of the time, you might simply be in environments with inhospitable atmospheres. The Collector ship likely has some form of atmosphere, and the derelict Reaper had most definitely moved into the atmosphere of the brown dwarf.



As for Haestrom, the codex clearly explains that it takes hours of unprotected exposure for the radiation to kill you. The radiation is far more deadly to electronic systems than organic ones (which is why you never hear about people being killed by an EMP).



Also, for those saying that space is near zero kelvin, you are wrong. Space has no temperature. Not hot, not cold, nothing. It insulates because it prevents convection and conduction. You cannot pass temperature from one object to another if you are not in contact with another object (because, you know, space is empty. Mostly). The only way to rid yourself of excess heat is via radiation. This means that a buildup of heat is far more likely than slipping into hypothermia. But suit air conditioning systems (or, for that matter, heaters) could take care of either problem without needing to completely encase the body.



Pressure is the greatest problem. The human body is durable, but it is not designed to hold all of its mass in against a vacuum (or near vacuum, since space is not completely empty, just empty enough to ignore the matter in it for practical purposes). Survivable for a time, perhaps, but not for a long period. Here, however, mass effect fields can indeed solve the problem. A pressure bubble could be maintained extremely easily, by using the mass-increasing effect of the shields. Increased mass means increased gravity. By increasing the gravitational effect to a point that compensates for the interior pressure of the gas, you effectively create your own atmosphere. Doing so without harming yourself would be difficult, and likely require a secondary field compensating for the original one that applies to you, but not the gas around you, but is certainly possible.

Quoting myself from the "Skin Exposure" thread.

[MaaZeus]

charliekrad wrote...

Its a game,

• do you really think everyone in the universe speak english,
• do you think that you can bring someone back from the dead,
• shields i dont think their is such thing as shields,

i could name many more things
please its a game go and enjoy it

What makes a good scifi and fantasy game/book/movie good is that it is believable to extent. There has to be some "truth"/familiarity in it that doesnt break the immersion.

Stupid things like gasmask on vacuum effectively breaks the immersion. ME1 did this right, everyone had armor and helmet that could be sealed and could last vacuum, but on some planets insane pressure was too much. Very believable for scifi standards.

Im still wondering how the heck Shepard managed to take Joker to escape shuttle because he too had just breathermask. He would have to travel in outer space, in vacuum with -250C temperature or such. Yeah, right.

In any case, "its just a game" is not a very good argument when it comes to scifi and fantasy.

[Skyblade012]

When do we see gasmasks in a vacuum? When? I don't ever remember seeing that.

[MaaZeus]

Space has no temperature. Not hot, not cold, nothing.

Have to fix this a bit. Cold IS nothing. Hot is energy. You take that energy away and what is left is nothing, that is cold.

But almost complete emptiness working as insulator is new. I still have hard time figuring that you would not deepfreeze in matter of minutes in that cold.


*edit* forgot a word

Modifié par MaaZeus, 15 février 2010 - 11:36 .

[Doug84]

Delta Green wrote...

Most characters in the game, in any environment that lacked oxygen wore only a small breather. But that's it...

How the heck do you survive in cold vaccum with just a mouth breather?

And
before anyone says shields, what happens when the personal shields
break? Even a few moments of exposure would be enough to take out most
people.

Vacuum proof skin and eyes...so...erm...

Haasth wrote...

A wizard did it.

Yes!

[Doug84]

MaaZeus wrote...

Space has no temperature. Not hot, not cold, nothing.

Have to fix this a bit. Cold IS nothing. Hot is energy. You take that energy away and what is left is nothing, that is cold.

But almost complete emptiness working as insulator is new. I still have hard time figuring that you would deepfreeze in matter of minutes in that cold.

Not sure - radiation probably - hell knows how much heat our bodies pump out in the infra-red specturm.

[MaaZeus]

Skyblade012 wrote...

When do we see gasmasks in a vacuum? When? I don't ever remember seeing that.

IIRC Geth-base on Legions loyalty mission is practically almost vacuum, and no air, and likely hypothesis is that no heat either. Legion himself said this is so because Geth do not need them. Your crew goes around in gas mask. And again, Joker had to be dragged through the space to escape pods, just his gasmask/breather on.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 15 février 2010 - 11:37 .

[Cross1280]

Just a theory, but if you remember after you go through the omega-4 relay and get attacked by the eyeballs that rip holes into the ship, the only thing holding in the atmo is Kenetic barriers/shields, so it is completely plausable in my mind that the suit shield/barrier generators do something similar in effect.

[Doug84]

Cross1280 wrote...

Just a theory, but if you remember after you go through the omega-4 relay and get attacked by the eyeballs that rip holes into the ship, the only thing holding in the atmo is Kenetic barriers/shields, so it is completely plausable in my mind that the suit shield/barrier generators do something similar in effect.

hmm... possible. Though the problem with that is if you loss your shields in a fire-fight, your skin gets vacuumed.

[x75flames]

Sheaperd is smart, no matter what you do s/he wheres a mask in those situations. Miranda? A blue bubble over her mouth....Joker even kind of brings this up.



When EDI get Joker to activate the FTL, she tells Joker she is opening the air locks. Joker then gets shocked and asks about the crew, to witch EDI respondes, that they are all gone.

[lyssalu]

 cuz they look kewl

[lyssalu]

x75flames wrote...

Sheaperd is smart, no matter what you do s/he wheres a mask in those situations. Miranda? A blue bubble over her mouth....Joker even kind of brings this up.

When EDI get Joker to activate the FTL, she tells Joker she is opening the air locks. Joker then gets shocked and asks about the crew, to witch EDI respondes, that they are all gone.

EDI was talking about the normandy crew, not the ground team

i.e. none of the recruitables

[x75flames]

lyssalu wrote...

x75flames wrote...

Sheaperd is smart, no matter what you do s/he wheres a mask in those situations. Miranda? A blue bubble over her mouth....Joker even kind of brings this up.

When EDI get Joker to activate the FTL, she tells Joker she is opening the air locks. Joker then gets shocked and asks about the crew, to witch EDI respondes, that they are all gone.

EDI was talking about the normandy crew, not the ground team

i.e. none of the recruitables

Yes, Joker knew the crew, not you and your squad, wouldnt survive in a vaccume.