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[mp84]

The only time true space was shown was in the beginning when the Normandy was getting blown up. (And to it's nice prop, when you were in open space, there was no sound)..



All the other times, they are just wearing a oxygen mask cause they may not be breathable environments. However, it naturally doesn't explain the armor-less characters, which in the end I will resort to it being just a video game

[Skyblade012]

MaaZeus wrote...

Space has no temperature. Not hot, not cold, nothing.

Have to fix this a bit. Cold IS nothing. Hot is energy. You take that energy away and what is left is nothing, that is cold.

But almost complete emptiness working as insulator is new. I still have hard time figuring that you would not deepfreeze in matter of minutes in that cold.


*edit* forgot a word

Wrong.  "Heat" is the transfer of energy from one body to another via any method other than work.  Absolute zero is a theoretical point at which energy still exists in a system, but is incapable of transferring from one body to another.  A point at which even entropy cannot continue.  Such a state is impossible according to our current views of science.

Heat and cold are inextricable linked, and neither exists without matter.  Without the transfer of energy, one way or another, you have neither heat, nor cold.  Space, true vacuum, has no matter, and thus, no thermal transfer, so no heating, and no cooling.

[x75flames]

Skyblade012 wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Space has no temperature. Not hot, not cold, nothing.

Have to fix this a bit. Cold IS nothing. Hot is energy. You take that energy away and what is left is nothing, that is cold.

But almost complete emptiness working as insulator is new. I still have hard time figuring that you would not deepfreeze in matter of minutes in that cold.


*edit* forgot a word

Wrong.  "Heat" is the transfer of energy from one body to another via any method other than work.  Absolute zero is a theoretical point at which energy still exists in a system, but is incapable of transferring from one body to another.  A point at which even entropy cannot continue.  Such a state is impossible according to our current views of science.

Heat and cold are inextricable linked, and neither exists without matter.  Without the transfer of energy, one way or another, you have neither heat, nor cold.  Space, true vacuum, has no matter, and thus, no thermal transfer, so no heating, and no cooling.

Cold is the absence of heat, just like Black is the absence of couler

[beserker7]

Randy1083 wrote...

charliekrad wrote...

Its a game,
do you really think everyone in the universe speak english,
do you think that you can bring someone back from the dead,
and shields i dont think their is such thing as shields,
i could name many more things
please its a game go and enjoy it

Mass Effect 1 was a game, and they still managed to have every character in appropriate clothing.

What Randy1083 said. Realistic space sci-fi took a break from ME1 TO ME2.

[CardonT]

About Joker being dragged through the vacuum: read the article linked in this thread. He would survive the few seconds that he is pulled out of his cockpit-bubble the 1,5 meters to the Escape Pod. The Escape Pod would most likely pump some atmospheric gas-mix into the chamber from some gas-tanks that are included.

So, there is no problem with the intro.

[lumen11]

beserker7 wrote...

What Randy1083 said. Realistic space sci-fi took a break from ME1 TO ME2.

Yes, the six-wheeled spider touch star tank, immunity spamming invulnerable space pirates, full-blown  50+ gun arsenal carying Milkyway marines, etc. were all very realistic.

mp84 wrote...

The only time true space was shown was in the beginning when the Normandy was getting blown up. (And to it's nice prop, when you were in open space, there was no sound)..

All the other times, they are just wearing a oxygen mask cause they may not be breathable environments. However, it naturally doesn't explain the armor-less characters, which in the end I will resort to it being just a video game

Agreed. No oxygen doesn't mean there is no atmosphere. That said. It did feel a little strange to me as well.

And let me add my plea to this discussion for (at least) optional armor or some form of battle suit for all squad mates. Thank you.

Modifié par lumen11, 16 février 2010 - 12:43 .

[Scottthesnow]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Also, for those saying that space is near zero kelvin, you are wrong. Space has no temperature..

I disagree.  Space is not a true vacuum.  It has matter, photons and a temperature of about 3 Kelvin.  Thats -270 C and -454 F. Naturally some places have much more radiation than others, thus a higher temperature.  But its pretty cold in the shade.

There is no effective conductor, as in the case of cold water, thus you loose heat slowly through radiation.  You will lose it though. Much longer exposure than 10 seconds is going to hurt, a lot.

Long story short, going in space without a space suit is very, very brave.

[TheJiveDJ]

x75flames wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Space has no temperature. Not hot, not cold, nothing.

Have to fix this a bit. Cold IS nothing. Hot is energy. You take that energy away and what is left is nothing, that is cold.

But almost complete emptiness working as insulator is new. I still have hard time figuring that you would not deepfreeze in matter of minutes in that cold.


*edit* forgot a word

Wrong.  "Heat" is the transfer of energy from one body to another via any method other than work.  Absolute zero is a theoretical point at which energy still exists in a system, but is incapable of transferring from one body to another.  A point at which even entropy cannot continue.  Such a state is impossible according to our current views of science.

Heat and cold are inextricable linked, and neither exists without matter.  Without the transfer of energy, one way or another, you have neither heat, nor cold.  Space, true vacuum, has no matter, and thus, no thermal transfer, so no heating, and no cooling.

Okay if you want to get that technical we'll call it "thermal energy".  Space is not a true vacuum.  Any medium or piece of matter with no thermal energy is cold.  It is either one or the other.  No light = black.  No energy = cold.

Whether or not you agree doesn't change the fact that if you were exposed to space, you would feel cold.  Your body would radiate thermal energy into space albeit not very fast.  You're more likely to die from hypothermia while submerged in water due to the higher degree of surface contact with your skin.  More surface contact = more efficient heat transfer.

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 16 février 2010 - 02:52 .

[HelterSkelter89]

Computron2000 wrote...

Delta Green wrote...
And before anyone says shields, what happens when the personal shields break? Even a few moments of exposure would be enough to take out most people.

Don't be taken in by hollywood's exploding people in a vacuum. Its fake like having sound in a space battle, no air=no sound.

http://www.damninter...-space-exposure

in the area close to a planet, in almost 0 gravity, there is still a very thin atmosphere. and you don't explode, the gas in your veins leaves solution.

[Havokk7]

Delta Green wrote...
How the heck do you survive in cold vaccum with just a mouth breather?

My understanding is: Because this is space opera..

[Forsakerr]

Havokk7 wrote...

Delta Green wrote...
How the heck do you survive in cold vaccum with just a mouth breather?

My understanding is: Because this is space opera..

ME1 too but they wore helmets and armors not facemasks and latex suits

[Scottthesnow]

Whoa, I dont know when "Space Opera" became "bad sci-fi". That meaning was not there in the beginning. ME2 really went in a less intelligent direction from the high standard the first set. I can buy Joker not wearing a full vac suit, due to the emergency. However, anyone willing entering a vacuum without a pressure suit on grounds of fashion is ludicrous.



Maybe the Normandy SR3 will be prop driven. Radial engines are awesome.

[Daeion]

Delta Green wrote...

Most characters in the game, in any environment that lacked oxygen wore only a small breather. But that's it...

How the heck do you survive in cold vaccum with just a mouth breather?

And before anyone says shields, what happens when the personal shields break? Even a few moments of exposure would be enough to take out most people.

Gotta love that shep needs a full on enviro suit but suze can run around with nothing but a pair of pants and her breather and is just fine.

[UnstableMongoose]

Five characters have non-full-sealing suits, I believe; Jack (clothesless), Jacob (Helmetless), Miranda (helmetless), Samara (Helmetless and slightly lacking in the chest department) and Grunt (sleevless). The major risk of death regarding explosive decompression in vacuum is the instant and simultaneous freezing and evaporation of the bloodstream do to a zero-pressure environment. Miranda is an evil Witch and does not bleed, and cold means nothing to her, so she's fine. Grunt's rock-hard, perfect-Krogan biceps create their own sealed, pressurized environment. Jacob's Kanye glasses give him an impenetrable bubble of hot air that surrounds him, even when he's got them hidden in his pocket so the Collectors don't break them. Samara is either using boob power or biotics to prevent death by freezing or explosive decompression. Jack just tells death to get the f*** out of her way. It's all quite easily explained, I don't see what you're talking about.

[Obadiah]

Delta Green wrote...
...
How the heck do you survive in cold vaccum with just a mouth breather?
...

The designers were watching too much Empire Strikes Back.

[Scottthesnow]

Mordin employs a shield that only covers the front of his face as well. Zaeed's mask only covers the front of his face.

[Cutlass Jack]

There's a bigger scientific mystery than those Gas Masks.



That being the secret of that amazing hair gel Miranda uses that keeps her hair looking perfect even in a vaccum...

[MaaZeus]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

There's a bigger scientific mystery than those Gas Masks.

That being the secret of that amazing hair gel Miranda uses that keeps her hair looking perfect even in a vaccum...

Unless you want to bring your computer or gaming console to knees, I'd let that pass. It can be done, but it is an extreme resource hog to constantly calculate hair physics, if you want to make it look good atleast. Atleast Miranda's hair moves a bit unlike in Oblivion where they are hard plastic wigs. Silly looking on long hairs.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 16 février 2010 - 11:23 .

[abisha]

game gets so borring if real pysics are applyed.

just dont think about it, and enjoy it.

[fateofman]

the main problem in modern day space crafts is not the cold but the heat, they find it very hard to disapate gained energy

[Sharn01]

That is because heat in space is given off as radiation, that is why the Shuttle is designed the way it is, so that it is giving off heat radiation from its cold side as quickly as it absorbs it on the hot side.



A person in space with out a space suit would cook on the side facing a source of heat, and freeze on the other side, within a few minutes.

[chubert]

Man I wish peope would just stop with using Its Just A Game. No kidding its a game, it still does not make sense for them to not have environmental suits. They used them in the 1st one, why not the 2nd.



Yes I know its not really a big issue and I just ignor it but it is lazy programming. IMO things like this is why games are going downhill. Like someone mentioned earlier, its probably done so that you can see Miranda's face and Jacks clevage. The Game is really fun but some of you people just need to stop defending the game at all costs.



I dont buy the part about kinetic/Mass effect fields either. If thats the case, why just not run around naked. Your environmental suits not offering any protection and is just probably slowing you down. Now im just joking about the naked part but it does make my point. If little things like this were not overlooked, it would make for a better game.

[dan107]

UnstableMongoose wrote...

Five characters have non-full-sealing suits, I believe; Jack (clothesless), Jacob (Helmetless), Miranda (helmetless), Samara (Helmetless and slightly lacking in the chest department) and Grunt (sleevless). The major risk of death regarding explosive decompression in vacuum is the instant and simultaneous freezing and evaporation of the bloodstream do to a zero-pressure environment. Miranda is an evil Witch and does not bleed, and cold means nothing to her, so she's fine. Grunt's rock-hard, perfect-Krogan biceps create their own sealed, pressurized environment. Jacob's Kanye glasses give him an impenetrable bubble of hot air that surrounds him, even when he's got them hidden in his pocket so the Collectors don't break them. Samara is either using boob power or biotics to prevent death by freezing or explosive decompression. Jack just tells death to get the f*** out of her way. It's all quite easily explained, I don't see what you're talking about.

:D:D

Lol, that's hilarious.

Seriously thought, the designers dropped the ball on this one. We can try to rationalize and explain away the reasons till the cows come home, but I don't think that anyone honestly thinks that it's a good idea to have some characters running around in full protective armor and others in a t-shirt.

This is similar to when the Collectors abduct your crew - it just feels crowbarred in, and makes absolutely no sense in the given context. Pretty obvious that the devs originally intended to do something different, but just ran out of time/resources. Combine that with an unusual for a Bio game amount of bugs and crashes, and it looks like ME2 was probably released a couple of months before it should've been.

chubert wrote...

If little things like this were not overlooked, it would make for a better game.

Exactly. It's the tremendous attention to detail that has always differentiated companies like Bioware, Blizzard, and Valve from the rest. Their games are not merely amazing, they're nearly flawless. Hopefully the oddities in ME2 are just a one time exception.

Modifié par dan107, 16 février 2010 - 01:15 .

[abisha]

chubert wrote...

Man I wish peope would just stop with using Its Just A Game. No kidding its a game, it still does not make sense for them to not have environmental suits. They used them in the 1st one, why not the 2nd.

Yes I know its not really a big issue and I just ignor it but it is lazy programming. IMO things like this is why games are going downhill. Like someone mentioned earlier, its probably done so that you can see Miranda's face and Jacks clevage. The Game is really fun but some of you people just need to stop defending the game at all costs.

I dont buy the part about kinetic/Mass effect fields either. If thats the case, why just not run around naked. Your environmental suits not offering any protection and is just probably slowing you down. Now im just joking about the naked part but it does make my point. If little things like this were not overlooked, it would make for a better game.

95% of this game is already inposable, do to fact of massive amount of radiation, not to talk about micro singularity where you can just walk trough, you know that how smaller a blackhole is the higher the Tidal forces around it, and the list go's on

[Paradox 01]

KentGoldings wrote...

Quadraxas wrote...

implants

How does silicone help?

:lol:

Back to original question...I agree.  I hated the fact that the characters stuck with their original costumes (putting aside Loyalty changes, and those were primarily in color) throughout the game, wether onboard the ship or planetside.  At least the devs could have stuck with the original formula from ME1. 

Hell, even with Shepard.  How silly was it to see someone kiss him while he's wearing a full-face helmet?  AT least in ME1, he only went full-faced during combat/planet exploration.

And yes, it is just a game, but c'mon...we have to draw the line somewhere.  Even discounting the whole living-in-a-vacuum-without-exploding bit, what about temperature differences?  The effects of various atmospheres on the eyes and other membranes (like tympanic?  Even if our skin does a great job of holding our insides inside, anyone who's flown in a plane once knows the ears don't adjust as well.)? 

I think one thing that draws most people to games like ME is the science fiction aspect.  However, I know for a fact that most of us prefer the emphasis to be placed on the "science" relationship rather than the "fiction".