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[Ulicus]

Havokk7 wrote...

Delta Green wrote...
How the heck do you survive in cold vaccum with just a mouth breather?

My understanding is: Because this is space opera..

"MASS EFFECT is not a space opera or a space western. It is a serious and artful cinematic experience, rendered with a unique combination of starkly realistic visuals and hauntingly powerful musical scores"
- Casey Hudson, Project Director

From Mass Effect: A Future Imagined (ME1 Limited Edition artbook)

That was, of course, only the initial starting point that got the ball rolling... and I think they've definitely moved away from the "not space opera/western" thing (it's not like being such precludes the second sentence, anyway) but, in any case, "because this is space opera" doesn't cut it as an explanation.

Especially when you look at the time and research that went into the Codex.

[newcomplex]

MaaZeus wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

WHEN ARE YOU IN A COLD VACUUM IN THE GAME?

Collector have wings.    That clearly implies atmosphere.

The reaper ship has been pressurized, its explained clearly in the lab area via a recording "We have finished pressurization of the work area"

The only place that might be not pressurized is the geth ship.   Only place in the entire game.   

But when you destroy the core, mass field collapses and it is open to space vacuum again. And Geth ship is obviously not pressurised. And also there are missions where you are in middle of corrosive and toxic fog with just breather on.

Corrosive fog is easily neutralized by a mass effect feild.    Even the strongest acids only cause irratation with seconds of exposure to skin, not the "burns through skin in seconds" you see in movies.    Since the acid is in fog form, really, its not going to be super lethal.

The reaper ship is over a kilometer in length.     Even if the mass effect core was blown, it'd still take 10+ minutes before you'll be in a vacuum state.     And you have a Mass Effect feild that will protect against temporary exposure to vacuum.

As I said, the geth ship is the ONLY case of a possible continuity error.   

Your crew probably does have hazmat suits for landing on extremely dangerous planets.    You just happen not to land on any.    

Good point.

Thanks for taking my arguments at face value.    

[binaryemperor]

Scottthesnow wrote...

KalenNighteyes wrote....

Let's forget it has a story. Let's forget its got a great combat system (imho). Let's forget its got a multitude of side missions that let you know your squadmates a little better. Let's go ahead and talk about ALL the impractical things that are in the game.

No one is forgetting that.  The story and game play are very good.  It actually exacerbates the problem.  Seeing things that are so good, next to something so bad just makes it easier to spot.  I dont think anyone has said that ME2 is a bad thing.

You dont feel this is clearly a step back from the first game?

I agree with your first argument. But I don't think ME2 was really a step back, just a step in another direction. I personally liked the old system better, I agree, but something about ME2 has its own charm, too. I hold them both in high regard.

[Schneidend]

MaaZeus wrote...

I was about to disagree, but then started thinking... Yes there has to be some gas compressed that would create the pressure. Since geth do not require such, nor does the machines running it, why would they build their space station to have pressurised air or any gas atmosphere? Its not logical. So yes, Geth spacestation is most likely cold vacuum just like space around it.

There is likely some kind of pressure in heretic station. I mean, it isn't as though it's just open to space. That'd be a structural weakness.

Still, though, as others have said, combat hardsuits for all characters would fix this. I'm hoping they bring them back for ME3, customizable or not.

[Scottthesnow]

binaryemperor wrote...

Scottthesnow wrote...

KalenNighteyes wrote....

Let's forget it has a story. Let's forget its got a great combat system (imho). Let's forget its got a multitude of side missions that let you know your squadmates a little better. Let's go ahead and talk about ALL the impractical things that are in the game.

No one is forgetting that.  The story and game play are very good.  It actually exacerbates the problem.  Seeing things that are so good, next to something so bad just makes it easier to spot.  I dont think anyone has said that ME2 is a bad thing.

You dont feel this is clearly a step back from the first game?

I agree with your first argument. But I don't think ME2 was really a step back, just a step in another direction. I personally liked the old system better, I agree, but something about ME2 has its own charm, too. I hold them both in high regard.

I was only refering to the lack of pressure suits as a "clear step back" from the first game.  

[Malysoun]

If mass effect fields could keep back poisonous atmosphere, then they should work well against flamethrowers and enemy engineer incinerate attacks which they don't.



If they're concerned about the artwork involved in the character faces, then what's wrong with the old sci-fi fishbowl helmets as opposed to the breather? I'm sure in 2185 they can make something stronger than plexiglass.



Even if they did a translucent bodysuit or whatever for poor Jack would be better than bare skin.



Next gen spacesuits may be form fitting and constrict the skin to keep pressure.

http://news.national...esuit-pictures/

[yummysoap]

There are no spacesuits because you can't compromise Miranda's ass.

[MaaZeus]

Malysoun wrote...


If they're concerned about the artwork involved in the character faces, then what's wrong with the old sci-fi fishbowl helmets as opposed to the breather? I'm sure in 2185 they can make something stronger than plexiglass.

As ridiculous as that idea is, it is actually a very brilliant option. Functional, and you can still see the characters facial features. Though helmets with mask makes more sense because the mask has to have a feature that dims the glass. Sun can be extremely bright in space, it might burn your eyes. Hard to make it work on glassbowl helmet I think.

[Captain Jazz]

Malysoun wrote...

If mass effect fields could keep back poisonous atmosphere, then they should work well against flamethrowers and enemy engineer incinerate attacks which they don't.

But the atmosphere will be at atmospheric temperatures and the ME fields will be tuned to that... burnination based attacks will be in a slightly more burninatory temperature range. Fire =/= ammonia atmosphere.

That said, incinerate and flamethrowers shouldn't really work outside of an oxygenated atmosphere anyway... depending on what's used to generate the burnination I supppose...

[Varenus Luckmann]

charliekrad wrote...

Its a game,

• do you really think everyone in the universe speak english,
• do you think that you can bring someone back from the dead,
• shields i dont think their is such thing as shields,

i could name many more things
please its a game go and enjoy it

No, but all of those have plausible explanations. It makes sense in an in-universe style.

Surviving with only a rebreather in space doesn't.

[Captain Jazz]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

charliekrad wrote...

Its a game,

• do you really think everyone in the universe speak english,
• do you think that you can bring someone back from the dead,
• shields i dont think their is such thing as shields,

i could name many more things
please its a game go and enjoy it

No, but all of those have plausible explanations. It makes sense in an in-universe style.

Surviving with only a rebreather in space doesn't.

As has been raised a few times already, there's only one time when you're actually exposed to space and that's the part where you die. All the other times are just inhospitable environments.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Haasth wrote...

A space wizard did it.

[Zulu_DFA]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

charliekrad wrote...

Its a game,

• do you really think everyone in the universe speak english,
• do you think that you can bring someone back from the dead,
• shields i dont think their is such thing as shields,

i could name many more things
please its a game go and enjoy it

No, but all of those have plausible explanations. It makes sense in an in-universe style.

Surviving with only a rebreather in space doesn't.

As has been raised a few times already, there's only one time when you're actually exposed to space and that's the part where you die. All the other times are just inhospitable environments.

Heretics station has zero pressure.

[Vaenier]

If they can create complete atmosphere containment with just personel shields, then why dont quarians use that instead of suits?

[IndomitusRex]

yummysoap wrote...

There are no spacesuits because you can't compromise Miranda's ass.

This is the most valid answer I've seen in this thread (though kudos on the physical analyses that some did).  Most ME fans are males, and males like to see boobs.  Do you know why Ashley was such a comparitively unloved character?  It wasn't just because she was abrasive and transparently xenophobic; it's because she ran around in a bulky hard-suit the entire game that made her look dumpy and unattractive.  If your stomach sticks out past your boobs (as her's did) that's not sexy, and sexy sells.

[Hellraisin]

implants and gene therapy, everyone has something done.

[Avissel]

Where are you getting the whole "zero pressure" idea for the heretic station?

Legion says "It doesn't have much oxygen or gravity" That is not the same thing as "it has none"

However the whole "Gasmask only" thing was a massive failure on the Quarian Fleet.

Modifié par Avissel, 17 février 2010 - 03:42 .

[dan107]

Captain Jazz wrote...

As has been raised a few times already, there's only one time when you're actually exposed to space and that's the part where you die. All the other times are just inhospitable environments.

And as has been replied a few times already, 1) that's not true, and 2) the (almost) absolute vacuum of space is just one of the many, many things that can kill you if you go frollicking around outside of earth's atmosphere without a hardsuit.

IndomitusRex wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

There are no spacesuits because you can't compromise Miranda's ass.

This is the most valid answer I've seen in this thread (though kudos on the physical analyses that some did).  Most ME fans are males, and males like to see boobs.  Do you know why Ashley was such a comparitively
unloved character?  It wasn't just because she was abrasive and transparently xenophobic; it's because she ran around in a bulky hard-suit the entire game that made her look dumpy and unattractive. If your stomach sticks out past your boobs (as her's did) that's not sexy, and sexy sells.

Tali's more popular than Miranda, and she's always completely covered.

Avissel wrote...

Where are you getting the whole "zero pressure" idea for the heretic station?

Legion says "It doesn't have much oxygen or gravity" That is not the same thing as "it has none"

Little oxygen at near absolute zero temperature is much worse than none. It'll freeze you almost instantly.

Modifié par dan107, 17 février 2010 - 06:11 .

[Zanallen]

dan107 wrote...

And as has been replied a few times already, 1) that's not true, and 2) the (almost) absolute vacuum of space is just one of the many, many things that can kill you if you go frollicking around outside of earth's atmosphere without a hardsuit.

1. That is true. 2. Also true, but doesn't matter as number 1 is true.

dan107 wrote...

Little oxygen at near absolute zero temperature is much worse than none. It'll freeze you almost instantly.

False. Please see this website and stop making up "space facts". http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

They only wear the gas masks in low oxygen environments like the collector ship, geth station, derelict reaper. in the full on space sections like the normandy's destruction they wear helmets.

[dan107]

Zanallen wrote...
1. That is true. 2. Also true, but doesn't matter as number 1 is true.

On the collector ship you walk into an open airlock. The ship is in deep space. Vacuum. The fact that there are bugs flying around inside only adds to the inconsistency. Number 2 is true independent of 1. The fact that it's not vacuum does not make a clorine saturated atmosphere any less deady.

dan107 wrote...

Little oxygen at near absolute zero temperature is much worse than none. It'll freeze you almost instantly.

False. Please see this website and stop making up "space facts". http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

Please read more carefully before you accuse me of making up facts. I said that little oxygen is much worse than none. The article you posted refers to vacuum where there is no oxygen. That's why you wouldn't freeze, because in a vacuum there is nothing for your heat to transfer to. If, however, you were in a low oxygen atmosphere at extremely low temperatures, it would freeze you if you're unprotected. Hence little oxygen is far more dangerous than none, like I said.

Modifié par dan107, 17 février 2010 - 08:12 .

[Kolaris8472]

I don't know why everyone is so hesitant to accept that making lots of models is not BioWare's strong point. I don't think there was any reason for them not to have hardsuits beyond more work required, hopefully it will get some retconning in ME3.

[Scottthesnow]

Yeah Chlorine has the nasty reaction with water, and unfortunately a lot of it is found in the human body which in turn reacts with Hydrochloric acid. I am amazed at so many people defending the use of gas masks due to a lack of conductivity in space.



A body would be extremely uncomfortable in space. Eyeballs wont explode, you wont instantly freeze but there are some seriously uncomfortable problems. Tissue damage will still occur, not instantly, but pain will be incredible from the ears alone. Any exposed moisture will boil instantly...its bad.



Seeing your team willingly take gas masks instead of hard suits...and expect to be functional...is kind of dumb. Thus, Bioware was lazy or exercised poor costume design.

[trickfred]

Miranda and Jack's outfits were ridiculous to behold in the first place. I couldn't believe they just stuck little masks on their faces and entered hazardous environments that could potentially melt their eyes/skin off. Yet another reason to use them as little as possible.



Honestly, BioWare, we have Stanley Woo implying that people are 'immature' for wanting longer/more engaging sex scenes, but Jack and Miranda prance around with their boobs hanging out. Inconsistent much?



Hopefully when Liara returns in ME3, she'll pack some respectable armor with her. Armor without a boob window.

[Scottthesnow]

Did you notice that Miranda and Samara's bodies were retooled versions of the stripper model from the first game?

Modifié par Scottthesnow, 17 février 2010 - 09:55 .