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[Malificis]

Gaming is a big business. It will get bigger.
Bioware is a business. It is focussed around the acquisition of money as such businesses are.
However I cannot thank Bioware enough for creating games and stories that no other company does. From Baldur's Gate to Mass Effect 2 they have provided over a decade of truly INTERESTING and unique games which have great depth and feel to them.No matter how much we complain or say we are "disappointed" with something, or need "more" of something, we know Bioware makes the best games.

As David Gaider has noted, the richer you make a story and characters, the more people call for them to be richer, all the way until people want characters that are just like real people. Such a thing would require insane amounts of effort, and the fact that Bioware are actually trying is truly praiseworthy, as opposed to the easy route out which most developers take in making characters and the game-world fairly flat and impossible to interact with to any real level. 

Complaints about Mass Effect 2 are, to the vast majority of fans, akin to complaints that the really beautiful scenery they see on holiday is not beautiful enough, or that one of the best games ever is not good enough. The knowledge that this is one of the best games ever is still there - the complaints and whines are born of awe that it could be this good in the first place, and follow the natural human instinct to push things further still until perfection (unattainable) is reached (never). The runner who is winning the race can always be told to run faster (and he probably can), but is it fair to demand he does so when hes already winning?

Sure some things seem like they need more work, and some things are made simple so less work needs to be done on them. But the result is still amazing and what is lacking is lacking because of budget and time. Similarly, many of the things that people question or denounce most likely had good reasons for not being as they wanted - and such reasons are as incomprehensible to your average fan as the motives of the Reapers are in attacking the galaxy.

Edit 1: Just saw a thread titled "Earth needs to be in ME3". Kinda proves the point -.- NB - I demand NYC of 2185 be reproduced EXACTLY WITH NO MISTAKES in ME3. Also Shepherd MUST be able to interact with the residents. All of them. They must all be interesting. Thanks.

Give applause to those making an effort and don't idealistically ask for too much.

Modifié par Malificis, 19 février 2010 - 03:16 .

[CorvisRex]

Amen!
I am amazed at the ability of some to invent a fault, when they can not find one, the guy who complains that the french voice actor's french accent is not french enough, and the like.  
As near perfect of a game that has ever been written, and the best 50 bucks I have EVER spent in my life.

Thank you Bioware!

Modifié par CorvisRex, 15 février 2010 - 01:27 .

[Oawa]

Well said!!

[Kristofer1]

good point. but it is not wrong to say we like and dislike certain aspects of the game. complaints and criticism are natural. you need them to improve. i'm sure bioware loves the acclaim but doesnt get offended by critiques but uses those complaints and criticisms to improve ME3. from reading some posts it appears the Tali love interest came about because of these forums. they listened to their fan base. a lot is to be said about a company that does that. hopefully they will continue to make changes based on what the fan base says. it is a great game. not doubt there some of us feel like EA short changed bioware with streamlining it for masses. i understand the money aspect as well. capitalism is beautiful. i love it. otherwise we wouldnt have mass effect. or ipods,

[stormrain]

Cap'n approves +9000

[smudboy]

I, of course, disagree with OP.

The point of any meaningful media is story.  ME2's story?  Not so great.  For a game that's a sequel, one expects a certain level of quality, continuity, and especially logic.  ME2 didn't have to try that hard in the writing department to get it right.  I just wish it tried.

Modifié par smudboy, 15 février 2010 - 02:23 .

[aeetos21]

here's to bioware



(raises glass of orange juice - what? i'm out of krogan ale)

[Marilynn-22]

[ZodiakZen]

I agree with this whole topic. So much negative on the boards, good to see praise

[SovereignT]

smudboy wrote...

I, of course, disagree with OP.

The point of any meaningful media is story.  ME2's story?  Not so great.  For a game that's a sequel, one expects a certain level of quality, continuity, and especially logic.  ME2 didn't have to try that hard in the writing department to get it right.  I just wish it tried.

Yet you fail to provide proof or make any valid rebuke to how the games story is flawed...

[XX55XX]

I wholeheartedly agree. There can be no doubt that BioWare's games have the best writing in any video game period.

Modifié par XX55XX, 15 février 2010 - 02:35 .

[RaidShock]

Yep, I definitely have some issues with the game, but the good far outweighs the bad. The sheer scope of what Bioware has created with the Mass Effect universe is astonishing. Here's to Bioware!

[Lord_Moose]

*Raises his glass*



Put more stuff in the thing more stuff goes in!

[Ninja Ataris]

Agreed.

[Spam Eelam]

That said, the feedback makes a good thing better. Stagnate, and watch quality drop (example: EA's sports franchises)

otherwise, /signed

Modifié par Spam Eelam, 15 février 2010 - 02:50 .

[Spinnazie]

Amen.

[Toastmaster_777]

Marilynn-22 wrote...

Bioware, this is how you make me feel. 

[stillnotking]

Malificis wrote...
Edit 1: Just saw a thread titled "Earth needs to be in ME3". Kinda proves the point -.- NB - I demand NYC of 2185 be reproduced EXACTLY WITH NO MISTAKES in ME3. Also Shepherd MUST be able to interact with the residents. All of them. They must all be interesting. Thanks.

There would still be threads titled "Not enough convo options with the janitor on the 14th floor of the Empire State Building, WTF"

BW is the best gaming house in the biz right now and it's good to remember that.  There is a difference between helpful feedback and people that just complain for the sake of complaining (they didn't get a pony or w/e)... BW is generally pretty good at telling that difference though.

The only thing they could do in ME3 that would really hack me off is not carrying any of the squadmates over.  Which is a distinct possibility, given that any of them can die in ME2 and are therefore "optional" main characters in ME3.  Any game designer knows the cardinal rule is you don't design content that people aren't going to see.  I'm a little worried about that... but BW knows what they're doing.

[smudboy]

Luc0s wrote...

smudboy wrote...

I, of course, disagree with OP.

The point of any meaningful media is story.  ME2's story?  Not so great.  For a game that's a sequel, one expects a certain level of quality, continuity, and especially logic.  ME2 didn't have to try that hard in the writing department to get it right.  I just wish it tried.

There is nothing wrong with the ME2 story and it delivers on all 8 factors a story should deliver. Besides, I haven't been so thrilled with the conclusion of a game as I was with ME2.
From the start of the game you know you're going to do something crazy no sane person would do, or could do, a suicide mission, hitting the Omega-4 relay.
During the entire game you build a team and prepare for this, knowning that you might not survive. After spending hours of preparing and finding out who the collectors are and what they're up to, you finally start that imfamous suicide mission. I really thought by myself: "Man, we're finally gonna do it!" With the 'suidice mission' OST playing in the background I really was thrilled and excited. "This is what we've lived up to during the entire game, yeah!" is what I thought my myself.

Nothing wrong?

What are these 8 factors that a story should deliver?  I'm quite sure two of them aren't a resurrection and fighting a disembodied Terminator embryo being fed gray human paste.

Shepard is a flat character and has 0 development.  There is no rising action, no tension, no immediacy.  The motives of the antagonist are unknown, as are their methods and intentions.  Side characters have more character than the protagonist.

Two blaring plot holes off the top of my head: unfrozen Kaidan/Ashley, and the whole IFF/shuttle extravaganza.

[InHarmsWay]

Toastmaster_777 wrote...

Marilynn-22 wrote...

Bioware, this is how you make me feel. 

Same here!

[Solitas777]

Ever since KOTOR I've been buying Bioware games. They are geniuses. I can say ME2 is my least favorite game of theirs though. KOTOR easily for me is number 1.

[davidt0504]

I hope everyone keeps complaining about mass effect 2. People complained all the time about mass effect 1 and look how much better mass effect 2 is as a result. (don't tell me that mass 1 is better because you can dress up your character more)