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[Sabresandiego]

try these tactics

health < 10 forcefield

health < 30 lifeward

health < 50 group heal

health < 70 heal

health < 80 regeneration



Put it in that order and make sure your healing tactics are at the top of the list above any other tactics. Lowest health heals have priority so they should be higher on the list. I never have to micromanage my healers with these tactics and only get in trouble once my healer runs out of mana, which is never if you use lyrium potions.

[DWSmiley]

I think using knowledge your pc wouldn't have is cheesy - e.g., heading straight to Orzammer just to get the Key to the City or starting with the Circle Tower because of the atrribute points.

[Mlow44]

Sabresandiego wrote...

try these tactics
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Put it in that order and make sure your healing tactics are at the top of the list above any other tactics. Lowest health heals have priority so they should be higher on the list. I never have to micromanage my healers with these tactics and only get in trouble once my healer runs out of mana, which is never if you use lyrium potions.

see but it's useless to set up any kind of tactics for when the character reaches lower than 50% health. by the time the healer uses the skill, 7 times out of 10 the target will already be dead and hence healing/force fielding him impossible. I usually give Alistair (my tank) the second best heavy armor I can find, first best (Wayde's Superior Dragon Plate Armor) if my character can't wear it. and yet he just goes down so freaking quickly, within 10 seconds of the start of a battle if he's not constantly getting healed. i can't even have my mages do anything but keep him and myself healed, and if one of the enemies breaks off either of us two and starts attacking the mages, it's a race against time to knock him the hell out before one of my healers goes down and the rest of us follow. it's insanity, is what it is. some battles it's sheer luck that makes the difference between victory and defeat, so it's kind of necessary to reload a battle to make sure things go right sometimes.

[Mlow44]

hm quoting seems to have deleted half your tactics suggestion. wasn't really paying attention to that

[Sabresandiego]

I dont see how you are taking so much damage with 62 armor. I take nearly no damage with 40 armor and am playing on a much harder difficulty. Remember that if the healing tactics are at the very top of the tactics list like they should be, they will always be prioritized over all other tactics. I am playing on PC, are you on console? Anyways if you are taking that much damage, which is odd, try kiting with your tank (running away). Monsters will just chase you around instead of hitting you. I know I listed it as a cheese tactic but I use it myself in hairy situations.

[Grumpy33]

LOL I am 77yrs of age(78next month),my reflexes are shot to hell,my decisions are not as incisive as they used to be, and I have trouble memorizing what some of my talents will do , and I am playing on the easy mode. So what does it matter if some tactics I use might be cheesy, all that matters is that I am having fun isnt that right?

[dwanedibbley]

U totally forgot your favorite cheesy tactic no 12: Boosting lvls via elfroot. So dont f**k others when u do the worst.

[Mlow44]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I dont see how you are taking so much damage with 62 armor. I take nearly no damage with 40 armor and am playing on a much harder difficulty. Remember that if the healing tactics are at the very top of the tactics list like they should be, they will always be prioritized over all other tactics. I am playing on PC, are you on console? Anyways if you are taking that much damage, which is odd, try kiting with your tank (running away). Monsters will just chase you around instead of hitting you. I know I listed it as a cheese tactic but I use it myself in hairy situations.

I'm on PC. I've tried the kiting thing before but the problem with that one is that enemies tend to break off and attack mages. when i have the time to actually play some, i'll test nightmare difficulty and see what the difference is. unfortunately, i've got exams to study for this week and reading/posting forums is all the procrastination i can really afford at the moment

[Babaghanouj]

Grumpy33 wrote...

LOL I am 77yrs of age(78next month),my reflexes are shot to hell,my decisions are not as incisive as they used to be, and I have trouble memorizing what some of my talents will do , and I am playing on the easy mode. So what does it matter if some tactics I use might be cheesy, all that matters is that I am having fun isnt that right?

Hell no. You MUST adhere to strict, arbitrary rules that needlessly hamper you as much as possible. Only then can  you attain true enlightenment.

[Sabresandiego]

Babaghanouj wrote...

Grumpy33 wrote...

LOL I am 77yrs of age(78next month),my reflexes are shot to hell,my decisions are not as incisive as they used to be, and I have trouble memorizing what some of my talents will do , and I am playing on the easy mode. So what does it matter if some tactics I use might be cheesy, all that matters is that I am having fun isnt that right?

Hell no. You MUST adhere to strict, arbitrary rules that needlessly hamper you as much as possible. Only then can  you attain true enlightenment.

lol

[Sabresandiego]

dwanedibbley wrote...

U totally forgot your favorite cheesy tactic no 12: Boosting lvls via elfroot. So dont f**k others when u do the worst.

I guess that can be considered a cheese tactic. Its my second playthrough though and I wanted to have all my abilities for every area...

In addition, I am using a mod called monster level cap removed, which is found at dragon age nexus under the combat tweaks mod. What the mod does, is remove the level cap on monsters so that they are as high of a level as you. This makes the game much more challenging or high level characters.

[Sabresandiego]

dwanedibbley wrote...

U totally forgot your favorite cheesy tactic no 12: Boosting lvls via elfroot. So dont f**k others when u do the worst.

I guess that can be considered a cheese tactic. Its my second playthrough though and I wanted to have all my abilities for every area...

In addition, I am using a mod called monster level cap removed, which is found at dragon age nexus under the combat tweaks mod. What the mod does, is remove the level cap on monsters so that they are as high of a level as you. This makes the game much more challenging for high level characters.

[TheRealIncarnal]

You know what they say about cheese, but if I was in that situation I would not hesitate to use the "Cheese" tactics. It makes sense to press every advantage you have!

[dwanedibbley]

Sabresandiego wrote...

dwanedibbley wrote...

U totally forgot your favorite cheesy tactic no 12: Boosting lvls via elfroot. So dont f**k others when u do the worst.

I guess that can be considered a cheese tactic. Its my second playthrough though and I wanted to have all my abilities for every area...

In addition, I am using a mod called monster level cap removed, which is found at dragon age nexus under the combat tweaks mod. What the mod does, is remove the level cap on monsters so that they are as high of a level as you. This makes the game much more challenging for high level characters.

No matter what adds u use (just use "boost all my skills, spells and stats to max" addon if u feel its great) u still use 1 of worst exploits ingame and then come to forum complaining about how cheesy is using pots etc (ur not first nor last one). If u cant play and enjoy game as it is, just dont play it and dont bother others with "ur low if u use this or that", some ppl actually play it without abusing ai/glitches/exploits. At the end u will be either "i done this game in propper way and i enjoyed it" or "hai mum i haxed thru another game, buy me another one".

[SuperMedbh]

Grumpy33 wrote...

LOL I am 77yrs of age(78next month),my reflexes are shot to hell,my decisions are not as incisive as they used to be, and I have trouble memorizing what some of my talents will do , and I am playing on the easy mode. So what does it matter if some tactics I use might be cheesy, all that matters is that I am having fun isnt that right?

Spoken with the wisdom of years )  If you'll forgive me for asking, what do you think of Wynne as a character? 

[Euteras]

Grumpy33 wrote...

LOL I am 77yrs of age(78 next month),my reflexes are shot to hell,my decisions are not as incisive as they used to be, and I have trouble memorizing what some of my talents will do , and I am playing on the easy mode. So what does it matter if some tactics I use might be cheesy, all that matters is that I am having fun isnt that right?

I'm a pup at only 50(just turned 50), my reflexes are shot to hell, my decisions are not as incisive as they used to be(stroke slowed them down a little), I have trouble memorizing what most of my talents do, and I'm having fun using some of these 'cheesy' tactics that enable me to play the game on easy. I see where you are comming from. The important thing is that you are enjoying yourself.  Keep on truckin'.

[Grumpy33]

SuperMedbh asks" Spoken with the wisdom of years ) If you'll forgive me for asking, what do you think of Wynne as a character? "

What that young chic! Very Sexy but for some reason she will not come to my tent. maybe she thinks I am too young for her. LOL

[Realmzmaster]

The bottom line is if you are having fun playing the game the way you want to play more power to you. Anything else does not matter!

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 17 février 2010 - 06:18 .

[Typifire]

soteria wrote...

The amount of evidence suggesting you beat the whole game without a single potion is alot of nil also, the problem with videos are that they are only small snippets of gameplay(ideally the best example of your abilities with the worst ending up on the cutting room floor). So short of me actually looking over your shoulder as you play, there is no way to prove it without a doubt.



If anyone could do it without potions, it'd be a few people from these boards who do post videos, etc. Until I see it for myself though I don't have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

Actually, 20+ videos, including the final boss and (as far as I know) pretty much every encounter people consider to be hard, is not "nil." You could make an argument that I'm using potions on all the easy fights, and I guess I don't have a response to that--except to laugh. Since the sum of your argument is "I won't believe anyone can beat the game without potions until I stand over their shoulder and watch for 40+ hours," I guess there's really no point in continuing this.

You don't have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but your position does look pretty comical from where I'm sitting.

I think your position comical as well.

You completely missed the point of the original post. 

You've posted videos of difficult battles going well and without the use of potions.

Now, how does that prove that those battles went exactly as demonstrated every time they occured?

All it proves, is that you've managed to capture video of those battles going extremely well for you, without you usning any potions, at least ONCE.

Which means you have demonstated that several of these difficult fights can indeed be overcome without potions, given the ideal situation, which you captured.

However, it would be hard to demonstarte that this is what every battle in an entire playthrough is like for you EVERY time.

So, what the original poster was stating, is that while you have video of difficult battles going exactly the way you want others to see them going, that doesn't in any way prove that this is how those battles, and every other battle,  went for you EVERY time.

For all we know, you played through the battle fifteen times before you got the perfect video.

[dkjestrup]

^ I highly doubt it. The game is fairly easy, even on Nightmare, when you use your head. Hell, beating Ser Cauthrien without potions or a mage is intensely hard, it's a miracle Soteria managed it at all.



And that's the point of reloads, when you lose, you reload. You still have to be able to beat it. It's not like he reloaded every fight until every hit was a critical....

[TBastian]

And that's the point of reloads, when you lose, you reload.

You mentioned the critical point. Reloads = losing. DA:O is an RPG. For some players, a dead PC is game over. Period. Some people also don't want to lose, and take the game very seriously so  that they don't.

One can argue that reloading is only a few seconds wait, but that doesn't change the fact that you're reloading because you lost.

The only bright side to losing is you learn more.

Modifié par TBastian, 07 mars 2010 - 10:07 .

[soteria]

Other people have done the same things I have--it just happens that I made videos of it. Since I can't prove that I don't reload 20 times a fight, and you can't prove that I do, what's the point in arguing about it? If I post videos showing a perfect performance, some people say, "Oh, he rigged it so it would look easier than it is." If I post videos in which I lose people and have close calls, other people say, "Oh, he could just barely beat this fight so he just posted the best he could do."

[Typifire]

soteria wrote...

Other people have done the same things I have--it just happens that I made videos of it. Since I can't prove that I don't reload 20 times a fight, and you can't prove that I do, what's the point in arguing about it? If I post videos showing a perfect performance, some people say, "Oh, he rigged it so it would look easier than it is." If I post videos in which I lose people and have close calls, other people say, "Oh, he could just barely beat this fight so he just posted the best he could do."

I was just pointing out that it's nearly impossible to argue logically about something of this nature.

I, personally, am willing to believe you.  First, because I see no reason for you to lie about it. Second, because it's not a huge stretch of the imagination for me to believe it's possible.

[dkjestrup]

Thirdly, you can use soterias strategies and beat it yourself....