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[Major-Shrinkage]

 So im in the midst of planning out just how to make a mostly neutral character, that only looks out for how to benefit herself. Things im for sure going to do like rewriting heretics and stuff. But i cant decide if i should keep or kill morinth. Anyhow, ive got a long time to plan this out. Just looking for input.

 

[Gill Kaiser]

I really don't think it makes sense for anyone to take Morinth over Samara, unless they're metagaming and need Dominate. Why would you take a sociopathic sex vampire over a powerful teammate who is already sworn to follow you anywhere?

[Kordras]

I'd say keep Samara. Morinth is just too untrustworthy/self-serving to be used, while Samara has hundreds of years of proof that she'll keep her word no matter what.

[stillnotking]

Take her once to unlock Dominate and then immediately load the game. Taking Morinth isn't Renegade, it's Chaotic Stupid. Samara is just as powerful and is not a sociopathic mind-control vampire.

[Jobrill]

Yeah, I can't think of any reason to take Morinth that does not involve metagaming to get Dominate. Even the most sociopathic renegade would at least distrust her powers. I suppose you could RP that she's bewitched you with her Ardat Yakshi powers already, but that inevitably leads to death.

[Shadow-Novus]

stillnotking wrote...
 Taking Morinth isn't Renegade, it's Chaotic Stupid.

LOL

That's practically sig-worthy XD

[Ramikadyc]

It makes sense depending on what role you're playing. I like to take Morinth because of her Dominate. Story-wise, I take her because, depending on what kind of path I'm roleplaying, I find Samara pretentious--hell, if anyone is a Renegade, she flat-out tells you she'll kill you if she sees you after the mission. Why WOULDN'T you take Morinth after that?

[Gill Kaiser]

Because Morinth also wants to kill you?

[stillnotking]

Ramikadyc wrote...

It makes sense depending on what role you're playing. I like to take Morinth because of her Dominate. Story-wise, I take her because, depending on what kind of path I'm roleplaying, I find Samara pretentious--hell, if anyone is a Renegade, she flat-out tells you she'll kill you if she sees you after the mission. Why WOULDN'T you take Morinth after that?

Huh?  She never told my Renegade Shep that.  She warned me at her recruitment that she'd kill me if I forced her to do anything "too dishonorable", but my Paragon Shep got the same warning.  Maybe it's tied to a particular choice or set of choices.

[Ramikadyc]

At least she doesn't act like she's above me.

[ComTrav]

If you do mostly neutral options, are you going to have enough paragon/renegade to even have the option to recruit her?

[Ramikadyc]

stillnotking wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

It makes sense depending on what role you're playing. I like to take Morinth because of her Dominate. Story-wise, I take her because, depending on what kind of path I'm roleplaying, I find Samara pretentious--hell, if anyone is a Renegade, she flat-out tells you she'll kill you if she sees you after the mission. Why WOULDN'T you take Morinth after that?

Huh?  She never told my Renegade Shep that.  She warned me at her recruitment that she'd kill me if I forced her to do anything "too dishonorable", but my Paragon Shep got the same warning.  Maybe it's tied to a particular choice or set of choices.

Not sure what triggers it. Basically, she tells you that, because of choices you've made, her Code dictates that, if you and her were to meet after the mission, she might have to kill you. Either way, feelings toward a character are unique to the individual. I really like Samara as a character, but taking Morinth while I'm playing a hard-ass (read: jerk) makes more sense to me.

[stillnotking]

Hmm... well, I also didn't talk to her much on my Renegade playthrough, so I might just have missed some dialogue.

Is it on board ship that she tells you she's going to kill you?

[Ramikadyc]

Yes, it's further into the conversation progression, around the third or so. I'm not sure if a certain option you take on a mission previous triggers it or not, though. It's definitely there, though.

[Empiro]

I don't know, I thought the game gave you absolutely no motivation whatsoever for wanting to kill Samara and take Morinth instead. I think if they had expanded the mission somewhat, or shown that Morinth wasn't all that her mother said she'd be, then there might be some reason to choose her over Samara. The only reason anyone would choose her right now is just to see what happens.

Modifié par Empiro, 15 février 2010 - 06:41 .

[Ramikadyc]

I had a more audacious lust for people with power on my third playthrough, which is when I realized you could even recruit Morinth. It's made clear that Morinth respects anyone who commands power and respect, and being able to deny her advances seals the deal for her--that's the deciding factor, to me at least, that makes her loyal to you: you're the most powerful person she's met. To me, she's extremely powerful and pragmatic, and I liked that.

Modifié par Ramikadyc, 15 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[finnithe]

I don't even think it can be a moral issue. Out of self-preservation, I would take Samara.



Morinth tries to kill you. Twice. To me, taking someone who actively tries to kill you is not in agreement with even a Reneshep, who though wants to get the job done, still wants to live. Jack, Samara and Zaeed, and Grunt may try to kill you, but Morinth needs to kill you. It's how she gets her kicks.

[Gill Kaiser]

Ramikadyc wrote...

stillnotking wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

It makes sense depending on what role you're playing. I like to take Morinth because of her Dominate. Story-wise, I take her because, depending on what kind of path I'm roleplaying, I find Samara pretentious--hell, if anyone is a Renegade, she flat-out tells you she'll kill you if she sees you after the mission. Why WOULDN'T you take Morinth after that?

Huh?  She never told my Renegade Shep that.  She warned me at her recruitment that she'd kill me if I forced her to do anything "too dishonorable", but my Paragon Shep got the same warning.  Maybe it's tied to a particular choice or set of choices.

Not sure what triggers it. Basically, she tells you that, because of choices you've made, her Code dictates that, if you and her were to meet after the mission, she might have to kill you. Either way, feelings toward a character are unique to the individual. I really like Samara as a character, but taking Morinth while I'm playing a hard-ass (read: jerk) makes more sense to me.

If you're too Renegade Samara says that for the sake of your friendship she hopes that you don't meet again after the suicide mission because she'd be forced to attack you. However, she's not going to be hunting you down or anything. If anything, she'd probably try to avoid you in order to prevent that occurance.

Morinth, on the other hand, is likely to follow you everywhere trying to trick you into letting her kill you with mind sex. She'd probably seduce all your girlfriends and wage a psychological war on you until you broke.

[stillnotking]

Ramikadyc wrote...

Yes, it's further into the conversation progression, around the third or so. I'm not sure if a certain option you take on a mission previous triggers it or not, though. It's definitely there, though.

Neat... well, that does revise my opinion somewhat.  In that case it might be worth it for a full Renegade to take the opportunity to get rid of Samara, reasoning that Morinth will be less of a threat down the road.

The weird thing is that Morinth's third conversation check in her apartment -- the one you have to pass in order to get the choice of which one to kill -- is much easier to pass as a Paragon than as a Renegade, despite the fact that most Paragons will probably kill Morinth anyway.  You need a crazy level of Renegade to pass that check (although it's possible that the difficulty is tied to your level and/or how long you wait to do the mission).

[finnithe]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

stillnotking wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

It makes sense depending on what role you're playing. I like to take Morinth because of her Dominate. Story-wise, I take her because, depending on what kind of path I'm roleplaying, I find Samara pretentious--hell, if anyone is a Renegade, she flat-out tells you she'll kill you if she sees you after the mission. Why WOULDN'T you take Morinth after that?

Huh?  She never told my Renegade Shep that.  She warned me at her recruitment that she'd kill me if I forced her to do anything "too dishonorable", but my Paragon Shep got the same warning.  Maybe it's tied to a particular choice or set of choices.

Not sure what triggers it. Basically, she tells you that, because of choices you've made, her Code dictates that, if you and her were to meet after the mission, she might have to kill you. Either way, feelings toward a character are unique to the individual. I really like Samara as a character, but taking Morinth while I'm playing a hard-ass (read: jerk) makes more sense to me.

If you're too Renegade Samara says that for the sake of your friendship she hopes that you don't meet again after the suicide mission because she'd be forced to attack you. However, she's not going to be hunting you down or anything. If anything, she'd probably try to avoid you in order to prevent that occurance.

Morinth, on the other hand, is likely to follow you everywhere trying to trick you into letting her kill you with mind sex. She'd probably seduce all your girlfriends and wage a psychological war on you until you broke.

I'm actually surprised that none of other crew/squadmates mysteriously perish during the Morinth's stay on the SR-2.

[HomicidialFrog]

Even my Renegade Shepard wasn't stupid enough to trust Morinth. It's not even Renegade, because a Renegade action is more of a badass action, killing Samara over Morinth is Evil, not Renegade.



Mass Effect Morality is more of a Heroic/Badass meter which is why it doesn't conflict with each other, because there's been a few badass heroes.



Basically, kill Morinth.



Also to those wondering about how my Shepard will deal with it when Samara tries to kill him, well that's simple: Kill her first.

[Internet Kraken]

finnithe wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

stillnotking wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

It makes sense depending on what role you're playing. I like to take Morinth because of her Dominate. Story-wise, I take her because, depending on what kind of path I'm roleplaying, I find Samara pretentious--hell, if anyone is a Renegade, she flat-out tells you she'll kill you if she sees you after the mission. Why WOULDN'T you take Morinth after that?

Huh?  She never told my Renegade Shep that.  She warned me at her recruitment that she'd kill me if I forced her to do anything "too dishonorable", but my Paragon Shep got the same warning.  Maybe it's tied to a particular choice or set of choices.

Not sure what triggers it. Basically, she tells you that, because of choices you've made, her Code dictates that, if you and her were to meet after the mission, she might have to kill you. Either way, feelings toward a character are unique to the individual. I really like Samara as a character, but taking Morinth while I'm playing a hard-ass (read: jerk) makes more sense to me.

If you're too Renegade Samara says that for the sake of your friendship she hopes that you don't meet again after the suicide mission because she'd be forced to attack you. However, she's not going to be hunting you down or anything. If anything, she'd probably try to avoid you in order to prevent that occurance.

Morinth, on the other hand, is likely to follow you everywhere trying to trick you into letting her kill you with mind sex. She'd probably seduce all your girlfriends and wage a psychological war on you until you broke.

I'm actually surprised that none of other crew/squadmates mysteriously perish during the Morinth's stay on the SR-2.

Yeah I'd expect someone particularly careless to end up dead. Like Kelly....

Though Morinth is kind of obsessed with Shepard and is focused on trying to eat his brain so I guess she was just ignoring everone else.

[Ramikadyc]

Morinth tries to kill you. Twice. To me, taking someone who actively tries to kill you is not in agreement with even a Reneshep, who though wants to get the job done, still wants to live

How does she try to kill you twice? Once maybe on the loyalty mission, but when else? Just because she WANTS to kill me doesn't mean she CAN kill me, and it seemed like she knew that after recruiting her, which is where her loyalty to you comes in. Some might disagree, but after some conversations with Morinth, she does have some "humanity," she's just a person who became what her curse made her--she didn't ask to be a Ardat-Yakshi, and the choice between joining the asari equivalent to a nunery or accepting death isn't a fair choice at all. Yes, she's got evil urges and has performed evil deeds, yes she has an insatiable addiction to the narcotic effect of melding and the power that comes with it, but that's who she is.

Now if you don't agree with that, good luck finding something about what I'm about to say to agree with. I find Samara to be totally and utterly irresponsible. She had THREE children who were Ardat-Yakshi. THREE. Maybe one was a mistake, and its worth trying for a second. But then the second had the same curse. Still, she went for a THIRD, and she even admits that it might stem from them being purebloods, yet she continued to meld with another asari, so you can't justify it as her maternal choice to have more children, because she had the option to meld with another species to try to prevent it.

That's just my opinion, though. And that's the opinion I take with me on some playthroughs.

[Gill Kaiser]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Also to those wondering about how my Shepard will deal with it when Samara tries to kill him, well that's simple: Kill her first.

Why not just take a leaf out of Nihlus' book and use your noggin?

[Gill Kaiser]

Ramikadyc wrote...

Now if you don't agree with that, good luck finding something about what I'm about to say to agree with. I find Samara to be totally and utterly irresponsible. She had THREE children who were Ardat-Yakshi. THREE. Maybe one was a mistake, and its worth trying for a second. But then the second had the same curse. Still, she went for a THIRD, and she even admits that it might stem from them being purebloods, yet she continued to meld with another asari, so you can't justify it as her maternal choice to have more children, because she had the option to meld with another species to try to prevent it.

That's just my opinion, though. And that's the opinion I take with me on some playthroughs.

It manifests at puberty. She could and probably did have all three children before her first was diagnosed.