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[Major-Shrinkage]

Wow that was fast, and had a lot of input. I do believe i will have the renegade at that point to get through it because i will be very near the end of the game. Maybe ill just go with the flow, see what happens. I have to play through ME1 first though. Something about Goddamn default start just makes me upset.

[Invalidcode]

stillnotking wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

It makes sense depending on what role you're playing. I like to take Morinth because of her Dominate. Story-wise, I take her because, depending on what kind of path I'm roleplaying, I find Samara pretentious--hell, if anyone is a Renegade, she flat-out tells you she'll kill you if she sees you after the mission. Why WOULDN'T you take Morinth after that?

Huh?  She never told my Renegade Shep that.  She warned me at her recruitment that she'd kill me if I forced her to do anything "too dishonorable", but my Paragon Shep got the same warning.  Maybe it's tied to a particular choice or set of choices.

She warn you like that no matter what.

Too be more precise, she follows her code no matter what, the code is black & write so it is absolute, it have nothing to do with Samara's personality.

And at end game and you are deep into renegade, she will treasure you as a friend but hope to never see you again once she is released from her oath to you, otherwise she have to kill you.
Paragon leads to an potential romance that will never flourish.

Anyways, unless one role play Shepard as an evil or crazy guy  there is no reason to take Morinth. She is a chain murderer that kills for her own joy, look at what she did to that girl, not to mention she wants to kill Shepard too.

Modifié par Invalidcode, 15 février 2010 - 07:03 .

[Ramikadyc]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

It manifests at puberty. She could and probably did have all three children before her first was diagnosed.

It very well could have been liek that. Or it might not have. It's up to the player to decide.

All I'm saying is stating "facts" about how it makes no sense for a person to keep Morinth is kinda dumb. It's not impossible to justify. I'm obviously in the minority about Morinth, but I always just state my opinions about the story and choices, and never tell someone else what does and doesn't make sense as far as player choices are concerned.

Modifié par Ramikadyc, 15 février 2010 - 07:05 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Ramikadyc wrote...

I'm obviously in the minority about Morinth, but I always just state my opinions about the story and choices, and never tell someone else what does and doesn't make sense as far as player choices are concerned.

Well, that is kind of the point of this thread. :/

[Radahldo]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

I'm obviously in the minority about Morinth, but I always just state my opinions about the story and choices, and never tell someone else what does and doesn't make sense as far as player choices are concerned.

Well, that is kind of the point of this thread. :/

He just means don't disagree with him.

[Ramikadyc]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Well, that is kind of the point of this thread. :/

It's just the matter-of-fact statements that are bothersome, to me. Like the "chaotic-stupid" thing; seems more like telling someone what choice to make rather than giving them the info to make it themselves. But I'm probably taking this the wrong way, so just disregard any off-topic banter I've posted, I'll leave it alone now.

Modifié par Ramikadyc, 15 février 2010 - 07:10 .

[Mr0TYuH]

As others have said, Samara says she'll kill you if you are Renegade enough.  Despite her claims, I think Samara is more powerful than Morinth, if only because she is more disciplined.  I think it is a valid decision, if Samara will be gunning for you in the future, to do away with her when the opportunity presents itself.  It isn't the cleanest solution, but one or two of my characters will make it.

Ramikadyc wrote...

Now if you don't agree with that, good luck finding something about what I'm about to say to agree with. I find Samara to be totally and utterly irresponsible. She had THREE children who were Ardat-Yakshi. THREE. Maybe one was a mistake, and its worth trying for a second. But then the second had the same curse. Still, she went for a THIRD, and she even admits that it might stem from them being purebloods, yet she continued to meld with another asari, so you can't justify it as her maternal choice to have more children, because she had the option to meld with another species to try to prevent it.

That's just my opinion, though. And that's the opinion I take with me on some playthroughs.

Samara says that the condition manifests at, basically, puberty.  I got the impression that she had already had all three of her children before the first was old enough manifest any symptoms.  It is such a rare condition that children aren't screened for it.  After all, her three children are the only known Ardat-Yakshi among all the asari purebloods currently alive.  In that situation, I don't think she was irresponsible.  She stopped having children when her eldest manifested symptoms, and she had her other children tested.  That was about all she could do.

[Ramikadyc]

But when do asari "hit puberty?" And just exactly when were her children born? When I first heard it, I immediately thought of long asari lifespans and assumed that her children were born maybe decades apart, not years like human siblings typically are. But that's definitely a valid point. The ambiguity of some background story in this series leaves a lot of room for debate, and lots room for different viewpoints.

I've barely talked to people about Mass Effect, so now I'm curious as to what other opinions people have on other, diffferent aspects of the game that I viewed as having only one interpretation.

Modifié par Ramikadyc, 15 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[Mr0TYuH]

Ramikadyc wrote...

[It's just the matter-of-fact statements that are bothersome, to me. Like the "chaotic-stupid" thing; seems more like telling someone what choice to make rather than giving them the info to make it themselves. But I'm probably taking this the wrong way, so just disregard any off-topic banter I've posted, I'll leave it alone now.

Everyone is different and sees things differently.  Take me for example.  I can see, in certain circumstances, choicing Morinth over Samara.  On the other hand, I still haven't figured out any justification to keep the Collector base.  It has nothing to do with trusting the Illusive Man or Cerberus.  I have a few characters that think that Cerberus's methods are the galaxy's best chance against the Reapers.

My problem with keeping the Collector base is that all contact with intact Reaper tech has resulted in indoctrination, even a Reaper that has been dead for 37 million years.  Any Cerberus team there to build a Reaper will probably be indoctrinated, and any Reaper built will probably join the other Reapers.  We will be in an almost identical situation to before defeating the Collectors.  From a metagaming standpoint, I would like at least one of my characters to pick that option, but, from a roleplaying standpoint, none of my characters have been able to finesse the risk/benefit ratio enough to justify it.

So, in some situations, I can be open minded, but, in others, I seem to be close minded.

[Mr0TYuH]

Ramikadyc wrote...

But when do asari "hit puberty?" And just exactly when were her children born? When I first heard it, I immediately thought of long asari lifespans and assumed that her children were born maybe decades apart, not years like human siblings typically are. But that's definitely a valid point. The ambiguity of some background story in this series leaves a lot of room for debate, and lots room for different viewpoints.

I've barely talked to people about Mass Effect, so now I'm curious as to what other opinions people have on other, diffferent aspects of the game that I viewed as having only one interpretation.

I believe Samara's exact words were "reach maturity."  In the first game, Liara, who was about a century old, said that most asari still saw her as "little more than a child."  So, that may give idea into the rate at which asari grow.  Morinth went on the run around the age of 40.  At that point, she had only recently been diagnosed as an Ardat-Yashi.  Also, they way Samara talked, with pride, about how clever and strong she was to be able to run and survive at that age made me think it was about equivilent to a 8-12 year old human.  So, that's why I said "basically puberty."

[Ramikadyc]

Mr0TYuH wrote...

So, in some situations, I can be open minded, but, in others, I seem to be close minded.

Exactly! I never looked at it like that, that basically sums it up. I have the roles that I play per unique playthrough, then I have my personal role, which is the way I want to see the main story unfold for me. I could argue with you about why we should keep the Collector base and make a bunch of counter-points, and you could probably do the same right back. Or I could turn around and argue with someone else about why we should destroy it. I should partake of these forums more often, because I'm totally off-topic with this... sorry.

[Major-Shrinkage]

Yeah, that is an entirely new issue in itself. I dont know what im going to do with that either.

Save Council - Yes

Save Wrex - Yes

Save Rachni - Yes

Rewrite Heretics - Yes

But those two choices seem tough. And yes, i know most of those choices were from ME1 but im just throwing out big ones.

[Weskerr]

I'm still on my full-renegade run and I picked up Morinth only to be consistent. Yes, this will unlock the Dominate power, but I would never kill Samara during a "neutral"  playthrough, as you put it, let alone a paragon playthrough. Morinth is an amoral sociopath. Samara is an ethical and trustworthy character who embodies justice and goodness.

Also, Morinth never advances her dialogue beyond when you first talk to her in your ship, with the exception of giving you a brain hemmorage post suicide mission.

[Dusty Everman]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

Now if you don't agree with that, good luck finding something about what I'm about to say to agree with. I find Samara to be totally and utterly irresponsible. She had THREE children who were Ardat-Yakshi. THREE. Maybe one was a mistake, and its worth trying for a second. But then the second had the same curse. Still, she went for a THIRD, and she even admits that it might stem from them being purebloods, yet she continued to meld with another asari, so you can't justify it as her maternal choice to have more children, because she had the option to meld with another species to try to prevent it.

That's just my opinion, though. And that's the opinion I take with me on some playthroughs.

It manifests at puberty. She could and probably did have all three children before her first was diagnosed.

Correct.  The true illness is in Samara.  She can only have Ardat-Yakshi children, and she did not find this out until her oldest child came to reproducive age. By that time she had already had her other two children.  This is why she became a Justicar. She'll tell you all this in her dialogs on the Normandy.

[Aradace]

stillnotking wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

It makes sense depending on what role you're playing. I like to take Morinth because of her Dominate. Story-wise, I take her because, depending on what kind of path I'm roleplaying, I find Samara pretentious--hell, if anyone is a Renegade, she flat-out tells you she'll kill you if she sees you after the mission. Why WOULDN'T you take Morinth after that?

Huh?  She never told my Renegade Shep that.  She warned me at her recruitment that she'd kill me if I forced her to do anything "too dishonorable", but my Paragon Shep got the same warning.  Maybe it's tied to a particular choice or set of choices.

I can confirm this...Samara strait up told my renegade shepard something to the effect of because of some of the "choices" ive made that if she were to see me after the mission and her "oath" is finished, she'd be forced to kill me...Only reason I remember it is because I personally laughed at her and said "Bring it b**ch" lol

[Brienna_]

LOL. I love Morinth (I know, I'm kinda sicko that way..). Would have saved both Morinth and Samara if I could. And Morinth doesn´t kill you - only if you are stupid enough to have sex with her, simple as that. And she doesn't offer to have sex with Shep before she/he has destroyed the collectors, because she is afraid the consequences... Or has she already brain-washed me? Maybe she really is manipulative b***h who should be put out of her misery??

....Still if there is any other fans of this crazy emo asari, contact me

[Sassymcgee]

What do you plan on doing?



Rerolling on ME1 and just staying in the den and never making decisions?



BW's model in ME doesn't allow for such a system. You're putting your own ass on the line for the sake of humanity and the galaxy. The f are you doing there?

[Schneidend]

Morinth is a parasite. End her misery. It's only natural self-preservation instincts that keep her from doing it herself.

[mp84]

Overall though, if you choose Morinth instead of Samura in that mission it's really not worth it.



She's pretty much a clone of Samura in terms of abilities except for the fact that Morinth has dominant as her main ability instead of Reave (which I think Samura's better)..



Story wise, she really doesn't say much or have as much of a backstory then Samura, as you can find out a lot more about Samura in your conversations then Morinth, if you had her instead.

[Sassymcgee]

Brienna_ wrote...

LOL. I love Morinth (I know, I'm kinda sicko that way..). Would have saved both Morinth and Samara if I could. And Morinth doesn´t kill you - only if you are stupid enough to have sex with her, simple as that. And she doesn't offer to have sex with Shep before she/he has destroyed the collectors, because she is afraid the consequences... Or has she already brain-washed me? Maybe she really is manipulative b***h who should be put out of her misery??

....Still if there is any other fans of this crazy emo asari, contact me

Believe I was talking about it on the swtor forums, but I'm sorry....I'm really disappointed in the current state of nerds if they aren't obsessed with the connection of sex and death.

You spend all this time on the internet nerds, and yet you don't start developing fetishes for the good stuff?

Only reason Morinth hasn't joined me is because I play by how I'd answer as my current shepard, and nearly all my shepards aren't 'renegades' or 'paragons'. They're people with stories and reasons. Never gonna have enough rene/para points for it 

[Brienna_]

Sassymcgee wrote...

Believe I was talking about it on the swtor forums, but I'm sorry....I'm really disappointed in the current state of nerds if they aren't obsessed with the connection of sex and death.

You spend all this time on the internet nerds, and yet you don't start developing fetishes for the good stuff?

Only reason Morinth hasn't joined me is because I play by how I'd answer as my current shepard, and nearly all my shepards aren't 'renegades' or 'paragons'. They're people with stories and reasons. Never gonna have enough rene/para points for it 

Oh no..than I'm the ultimate nerd   Samara's living by the code was too strict and suffocating for me and my Shep (who is mostly paragon), but not sure if keeping Morinth was a better choice. Well, have too see it in ME3.

[apk117]

It requires a truly evil person to betray and kill Samara imo. I wanted Dominate but could never bring myself to do it.

[mp84]

apk117 wrote...

It requires a truly evil person to betray and kill Samara imo. I wanted Dominate but could never bring myself to do it.

When you have multiple playthroughs it makes it quite easy

I would never do it in my first playthrough, but it's worth doing it at least once.

but like I said, overall it's really not worth it, but glad they gave you the option though.

[Brienna_]

Yet Samara's code lets her kill innocent (like the cop on Illium)...and even her daughter. Still not judging Samara (amazing character), but I wanted to give Morinth a chance. Maybe her "disease" is something you might cure? Hell, Cerberus woke Shep from death.


edit: But yes, Morinth is evil. And my Shep is evil for saving her   not fighting about that with you.

Modifié par Brienna_, 15 février 2010 - 09:41 .

[Ileanos07]

There is only reason, why to take Morinth... If you are going to do something terrible... Like keeping Collector´s base? ... Then it could be dangerous to have Sam.