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[SusanStoHelit]

Lmao, so true Herr Uhl. The problem with both Zev and Leliana - and Al to a lesser extent - is that their dialogue is bugged to the sh*t house. Even if you choose all the 'correct' answers, you can end up in a romance with them.



Which is why I have mods to help deal with that. So far, so good.

[Chasseresse]

Leli definitely seems to be bugged. Out of all my run-throughs, I only romanced her once, but on all my other characters I have been forced to chose between her and Al-she'd be high approval but friendly and it would still trigger on it's own.

[RBCharger]

I usually do Zevron's big turn off - "Kill him without waking him"

As far as Leliana goes I think the key line is "I think you are getting the wrong idea".

[ejoslin]

RBCharger wrote...

I usually do Zevron's big turn off - "Kill him without waking him"
As far as Leliana goes I think the key line is "I think you are getting the wrong idea".

Well, that works for Zevran for sure.  Unfortunately, even being that direct with Leliana doesn't turn it off permanently.  Just for a little while.  Until you talk about shoes!  Or ask her about Marjolaine. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 février 2010 - 03:37 .

[Ceridraen]

It's not the shoes with Leliana. I always say I love shoes (I love shoes) - but only on my female characters. She's never hit on them at all. From what I've read, you have to ask her if she's interested in woman to start it - I never asked that. For the guy, it was pretty obvious - you flatter her. I believe it was the reply to what's a girl like you doing in the chantry - you have to say 'beautiful, charming.' That was enough. With Zevran, I asked him something fairly benign, & much later, suddenly I had to make a choice. I was more careful after. With my male warrior, Leliana just suddenly loved him - NO conversation before.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I've never gotten stealth loved from Zevran or Alistair, only Leliana. Zevran is pretty blunt in his affections, it's pretty hard to mistake his pick up lines for anything else. Alistair, to a lesser extent, though his triggers are more obvious, and in the past, I've had no problems breaking off the romance and keeping it broke, and paid attention to some of the softer responses that might give him the wrong idea.



Leliana, on the other hand...beyond being out and out rude and avoiding what most normal people would consider simple girl chat...it's incredibly bugged. Or, Leliana doesn't understand what "no" means.



If you had Zev stealth love you and you never flirted with him, this would be the first time I've heard of a bug like this. Seems even the elf isn't safe from glitches...

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, I've always thought that the Zev turn on lines are really obvious. What is it you fancy? After I ravish you in celebration? So you NEVER mix business with pleasure? Do you stare at everyone like that? I'm already fond of you. Alistair, too. If you flirt at all with Alistair, even a teasing flirt, you're in a romance, whereas with Zevran, not even all teasing flirts turn that on. But even with Zevran's romance turn on lines, you usually can turn it RIGHT back off -- he confirms that is what you mean.



Leliana, I never ask her if she likes women. I never ask her about her forbidden fruit. Heh, she will dump a HN who isn't in a relationship with her if they're getting married. I tell you, she's sneaky that way!

[Cuddlezarro]

Leliena falls for my characters no matter how many times I tell her "no im not interested, cant we just be friends, no I just plain dont like you"



considering I dont even like her as a character its not because im asking for her forbidden fruit or anything



Zevran iv *never* had this problem with, Morrigan as well

[Alyka]

Siradix wrote...

Now he says something along the lines, that "I'm the only woman he has ever slept with"

That's what I'm not understanding.In my playthroughs, Alistair says that line.If Zevran says that, then he is lying or it's a glitch like I said.He tells you he grew up in a brothel and had to seduce targets (both men and women), and even confesses that he made love to a woman who was a contract target before she slipped and fell to her death.

I've wound up being in a romance with Leliana before without even trying.She's tricky.But Zevran,he's even trickier.If you don't accept his flirting, he disapproves but if you do,suddenly he wants to bed you and thinks you're in a romance with him.

Modifié par Alyka, 16 février 2010 - 05:19 .

[Addai]

Alyka wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Now he says something along the lines, that "I'm the only woman he has ever slept with"

That's what I'm not understanding.In my playthroughs, Alistair says that line.If Zevran says that, then he is lying or it's a glitch like I said.He tells you he grew up in a brothel and had to seduce targets (both men and women), and even confesses that he made love to a woman who was a contract target before she slipped and fell to her death.

Answered above.  What he says is that you're the only woman he's slept with in Ferelden.  Re. disapproval for not accepting his flirting, I don't find that to be the case at all.  He gives high approval for flirting, but if you politely decline his question whether or not you can foresee a future with him, you won't get much of a hit if any at all and that will be the end of it.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 février 2010 - 05:42 .

[Nonvita]

Alyka wrote...

That's what I'm not understanding.In my playthroughs, Alistair says that line.If Zevran says that, then he is lying or it's a glitch like I said.He tells you he grew up in a brothel and had to seduce targets (both men and women), and even confesses that he made love to a woman who was a contract target before she slipped and fell to her death.

I've wound up being in a romance with Leliana before without even trying.She's tricky.But Zevran,he's even trickier.If you don't accept his flirting, he disapproves but if you do,suddenly he wants to bed you and thinks you're in a romance with him.

As already mentioned, what he says is "You're the only woman I've ever slept with... in Ferelden." Which is true... What isn't good is that that line can still show up when you haven't had sex with him yet, so it's entirely inappropriate for the occasion.

And with Zevran, it only takes one turndown and his romance will usually stay off. (Also, he only asks you to his tent when you're at a fairly high approval already, so it's not exactly sudden.) With Leliana people have turned her down several times and still ended up in relationships with her. They're both bugged to an extent, but Leliana by far the worst. I'm fearing that my "I think you've got the wrong idea" still won't be enough to keep her off my HNF...

EDIT:

Modifié par Nonvita, 16 février 2010 - 05:42 .

[Sabriana]

Yah, I can confirm. This play-around yesterday evening, my HNF was downright rude to Leliana. Next thing she knows, Zevran asks her to choose between them.



Zevran's lines are written in a way that he tries to get confirmation for just about everything before moving on. So the player has to not only flirt, but confirm that a relationship can be possible.



Alistair glitches once in a while, Leliana takes great pleasure in glitching all the time, Morrigan and Zevran are the only ones who understand that 'no' means 'no' in my game.



Heck, I even ditched a whole play-through because my PC inadvertently turned the Zevran romance off, and there was no way it could be started again, silly woman. Some people do get a second chance with him, and that has to be initiated solely by the PC.

[Cuddlezarro]

Heck, I even ditched a whole play-through because my PC inadvertently turned the Zevran romance off, and there was no way it could be started again, silly woman. Some people do get a second chance with him, and that has to be initiated solely by the PC.

you could have turned it back on with the cheat console

[Sabriana]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Heck, I even ditched a whole play-through because my PC inadvertently turned the Zevran romance off, and there was no way it could be started again, silly woman. Some people do get a second chance with him, and that has to be initiated solely by the PC.

you could have turned it back on with the cheat console

Pfft. Now you tell me. I have no idea how to do that. I mean, I know how to use the console but I don't know many of the codes. Some friend you are, 

[ejoslin]

Regarding Zevran disapproval for being turned down -- no, not if you're not a jerk. Ok, you're not going to get as high of approval if you are keeping it friend zone, but that's true for all the romances. For instance, when Zevran establishes early on whether you two will be friends, more than friends with a future together, or FWB. Of course, you can get up to 8 points with the friendzone answers, and up to 15 with the relationship options (a bit less with the FWB option).  All three options give big approval jumps, though -- just the romance one gives the biggest.  If you're a jerk, I think you can lose 10 points approval with that conversation, maybe more.

Of course, if you don't want a relationship with Zevran at all, you can turn it off right there. I actually like that about him -- he's the only romancable companion that you can establish that at the beginning without approval loss. Even Alistair, you can't turn off completely without turning the romance on and then breaking up with him. And with Leliana, there's no line at all that turns the romance off permanently.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 février 2010 - 12:30 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I'm playing a rogue noble female romancing Alistair. Just got done with talesin, had broken up with Zevy earlier in the game. His romance is still off, he's at 100 friendly. No stealth love there. I had briefly broken up with Alistair before, for RP purposes, he also stayed off until I restarted it.



Even choosing the meaner responses with leliana, I still had to unlove her once, which was annoying, as this character strictly likes men.



In the past, when i told Zevran NO!, he understood, and until I decided I liked him looking at me "like that" later on, he also stayed off.

[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...

Regarding Zevran disapproval for being turned down -- no, not if you're not a jerk. Ok, you're not going to get as high of approval if you are keeping it friend zone, but that's true for all the romances. For instance, when Zevran establishes early on whether you two will be friends, more than friends with a future together, or FWB. Of course, you can get up to 8 points with the friendzone answers, and up to 15 with the relationship options (a bit less with the FWB option).  All three options give big approval jumps, though -- just the romance one gives the biggest.  If you're a jerk, I think you can lose 10 points approval with that conversation, maybe more.

Of course, if you don't want a relationship with Zevran at all, you can turn it off right there. I actually like that about him -- he's the only romancable companion that you can establish that at the beginning without approval loss. Even Alistair, you can't turn off completely without turning the romance on and then breaking up with him. And with Leliana, there's no line at all that turns the romance off permanently.

What the heck is FWB? Gah, I swear, you English get on my nerves sometimes

@ Skadi

"Unlove Leliana". OMG, that is so funny. Can I use that sometime too? It's priceless.

[ejoslin]

@Sabriana Friends with benefits. At the first conversation Zevran initiates with you, as you know, you can turn off the romance completely, leave it as friends but with the possibility of starting a romance later, make it clear you want something casual with him (fwb), or tell him you'd like a future with him as more than friends after all is said and done. Obviously, the last two have no real bearing on the romance other than for roleplaying purposes.

Edit: grammar is an art.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 février 2010 - 05:13 .

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I'm playing a rogue noble female romancing Alistair. Just got done with talesin, had broken up with Zevy earlier in the game. His romance is still off, he's at 100 friendly. No stealth love there. I had briefly broken up with Alistair before, for RP purposes, he also stayed off until I restarted it.

How did you do this??  I tried that and failed miserably.  Re-doing my ending now because I couldn't take the Alistair hate when she then tried to marry him.

Even choosing the meaner responses with leliana, I still had to unlove her once, which was annoying, as this character strictly likes men.

In the past, when i told Zevran NO!, he understood, and until I decided I liked him looking at me "like that" later on, he also stayed off.

Leliana just really wants to fall in love, especially if you're a woman.  Actually she really wants to delude herself that you ARE in love.  The really annoying thing is that your companions seem to be equally deluded, even if you're making out with one of the guys right in front of them.

On my 1st male PC now and he told Zevran, after Z. said something about him being handsome and then asked if he was offended, "no but you're wasting your time."  I assumed it was an innocuous way to declare himself heterosexual.  However, Zevran seemed to interpret it as suggesting he was plotting a 2nd try at the assassination. 

[Sabriana]

Thanks, Ejoslin. You wouldn't believe the things I came up with trying to 'translate' this into English and then into German, and keep it Zevran related.

No, I won't tell you either. You'll laugh uncontrollably, and then your hubby will get *really* suspicious. And then where would we be. No, too risky.

[ejoslin]

Heh, he's at work; I'm allowed to laugh! Actually, even when he's not at work I'm allowed to laugh, but he gives me REALLY strange looks if I'm at the computer.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I'm playing a rogue noble female romancing Alistair. Just got done with talesin, had broken up with Zevy earlier in the game. His romance is still off, he's at 100 friendly. No stealth love there. I had briefly broken up with Alistair before, for RP purposes, he also stayed off until I restarted it.

How did you do this??  I tried that and failed miserably.  Re-doing my ending now because I couldn't take the Alistair hate when she then tried to marry him.

You have to make sure you haven't used up all the romance trigger conversations, like asking him about lampost licking, telling him he's handsome, there's a few triggers in other conversations as well. His mother's amulet also has the possibility of reopening the romance, if you give it to him and tell him "he's special to you". Basically if you plan on breaking off the romance, make sure you leave some conversations untouched so you can restart it. When I broke it off with Alistair, it was in the middle of the game, and I had not given him his mother's amulet yet, nor had I asked about his sex life.

Leliana just really wants to fall in love, especially if you're a woman.  Actually she really wants to delude herself that you ARE in love.  The really annoying thing is that your companions seem to be equally deluded, even if you're making out with one of the guys right in front of them.

On my 1st male PC now and he told Zevran, after Z. said something about him being handsome and then asked if he was offended, "no but you're wasting your time."  I assumed it was an innocuous way to declare himself heterosexual.  However, Zevran seemed to interpret it as suggesting he was plotting a 2nd try at the assassination. 

Yes, leliana really doesn't seem to take no for an answer, she will get you, one way or another, whether you know it or not. I haven't done a male playthrough yet, but when i do, Zevran's gonna be his love. I think with Zevran, you have to be blunt, just as he is, and leave no question of your interest or intent. He accepts that and it friendzones him. You have to tell him "yes, i do mind, so stop looking at me and go wax poetic over Wynne's magical bosom" (paraphrased) and that lets him know, and he accepts that.

@Sabraiana: Be my guest! especially how it is annoying that you practically have to unlove her in every damned playthrough, no matter how nasty you are!

I agree, i don't hate leliana, but she does creep me out to no end, and after I get Zevran if I'm not playing a rogue, I respec him and she stays in camp 95% of the time. And through gifts and personal quest alone, I never have any problem getting her approval up to 100. I would have prefered someone else for the bi-female love option, as when I heard that same sex love was an option in game, i was looking forward to a totally new RP experience/playthrough involving a gay or bi PC. However, after experimenting with the leliana romance in a playthrough once, it seems that I shall have to wait for another game to play a bi or gay female.

[Sabriana]

Ohh, Skadi made a big no-no. Men can't love other men. It's all about the buttsecks. A man can't possibly really feel deeper emotions about another man. What are you thinking?

Same with women. A woman can't truly love another woman. All she needs its a good lay, and she'll come around. What's wrong with you, anyway? /sarcasm, and I want an /sarcasm smiley.

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I'm playing a rogue noble female romancing Alistair. Just got done with talesin, had broken up with Zevy earlier in the game. His romance is still off, he's at 100 friendly. No stealth love there. I had briefly broken up with Alistair before, for RP purposes, he also stayed off until I restarted it.

How did you do this??  I tried that and failed miserably.  Re-doing my ending now because I couldn't take the Alistair hate when she then tried to marry him.

You have to make sure you haven't used up all the romance trigger conversations, like asking him about lampost licking, telling him he's handsome, there's a few triggers in other conversations as well.

Aha!  The source of my downfall was over-eagerness in flirting.  How true to life that is.

[Alyka]

I've had it happen before where when Zevran says "I say you're beautiful because it's true. Should I not?" and when I answered with "No, I'd prefer you didn't" he disapproved.I don't see that answer as being rude but I guess it was? That is what I meant by he disapproves if you don't accept the flirting.
I never had him say "You're the only woman I've slept with in Ferelden".How did you get him to say that? Because I've asked him in the tent and I've also had him ask me to go in the tent and I never got that response.Maybe it depends on your PC background? I romanced him as a female CE.