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[HomicidialFrog]

Riot Inducer wrote...

Essentially the moral question in Zaeed's mission comes down to; Are you Capt. Anderson or are you Saren? This situation is almost a carbon copy of what happened on Anderson's mission with Saren (as told in the Revelations novel/by Anderson himself in ME1).

Still what bothered me the most about the mission wasn't actually the moral dilemma of saving vs. leaving the workers it was the fact that Zaeed had withheld intel about the mission and nearly gotten us all killed with his little stunt; he lead us on this mission under false pretenses and expects me to just go with it. That turned me off of his character regardless of my Paragon/Renegade standing, you do NOT pull that kind of **** on my squad! 

As soon as I saw him beating the crap out of that Batarian, I knew this was a guy I was going to hate.

I was actually expecting a human version of Wrex, but that would just be crappy now that I think about it since he wouldn't be an original character and I liked Wrex alot. Maybe because theres a few signs in ME1 that under that tough Krogan-Hide that doesn't' care about anything theres a guy that cares about his own species as shown on Virmire and the fact that he seems alot friendlier in ME2. Plus it's obvious Wrex would be above killing a bunch of innocent Civilians and beating up a guy. If he was tasked with killing someone, he'd do it quick and painless not beat the crap out of him and then finish him off at least that's what I gathered from his personality mainly because of when he killed Fist he says "Alot of innocent people died because of him, ******* deserved it."

[flem1]

Actually, as Kelly notes, Zaeed really *is* well adjusted for a guy who's killed thousands and thousands of people for hire. He's not a sadist or a psycho, and in fact is usually pretty clearheaded about this stuff. Obviously not at the refinery, though, but that's because he's made it totally personal.

[Agamo45]

I was able to punch him with a Paragon interrupt, but you have to choose specific dialogue options for it to pop up. The only time I ever left the workers was on my Renegade, and I felt horrible about it. I didn't like that there wasn't an option to use intimidate on Zaeed to make him loyal like you can with charm. Hearing the screams of the workers burning to death was horrible.

[TerribleTruth]

The guy spends 20 years tracking the guy who shot him and left him for dead, he joins your mission as long as you promise to help him kill the guy, and you let him get away.

You are the real jerk.

[Dark Glasses]

Never! I wanted to hug him.

[flem1]

TerribleTruth wrote...

The guy spends 20 years tracking the guy who shot him and left him for dead, he joins your mission as long as you promise to help him kill the guy, and you let him get away.
You are the real jerk.

Except you didn't promise to help kill the guy, you promised to help finish his contract *to free the refinery workers*.

If he'd told you it was about zapping Vido, you could have sent Thane...

Of course, the whole climax doesn't make much sense...  Couldn't you have had the Normandy blast his getaway into tiny bits?  (But of course, the Normandy should have blasted the final boss for you too.)

[Riot Inducer]

TerribleTruth wrote...

The guy spends 20 years tracking the guy who shot him and left him for dead, he joins your mission as long as you promise to help him kill the guy, and you let him get away.
You are the real jerk.

Except he didn't tell us about that until the guy had a firing squad pointed at us, would've been really nice to know the mission was about assassination and NOT saving the workers/refinery like he said when we started out. 

I don't deal well with being lied to about the objective/reasons for a mission, TIM is one smart s.o.b. to never meet me in person.

[PingoBlack]

Riot Inducer wrote...

I don't deal well with being lied to about the objective/reasons for a mission, TIM is one smart s.o.b. to never meet me in person.

Hehe, exactly.

So I landed a right on him and he spent the rest of the mission with a bloody face.

[huntrrz]

finnithe wrote...

I don't see why so many people hate Zaeed though. I would also be mad if my business partner (probably a close friend, too), tried to take control of the business (and make it less reputable in the process), turn my lieutenants against me, and then shoot me in the face.

I doubt anyone has a problem with that.  Bringing 'me' on the mission under false pretenses and wanting to leave people to die in a fire HE caused (and then WHINING about having to put out the fire HE CAUSED) is... a bit much.

[TerribleTruth]

Riot Inducer wrote...

I don't deal well with being lied to about the objective/reasons for a mission, TIM is one smart s.o.b. to never meet me in person.

You want to hurt the guy who gave you a second chance at life too?
You really are a jerk.
 

[Lintire]

I restlessly built my paragon points mission after mission - but after sticking it out with Zaeed for half the game, I let that all go to hell. **** the dock workers - they're expendable anyway. If it had sped up the process, I would have set them on fire my self if I could have (and probably would have tried, with the subsequently gained flamethrower). I even giggled a little myself as Vido's screams were flung into the air.

Nobody shoots my damn crewmates and gets away with it. Nobody.

[Barker673]

TerribleTruth wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

I don't deal well with being lied to about the objective/reasons for a mission, TIM is one smart s.o.b. to never meet me in person.

You want to hurt the guy who gave you a second chance at life too?
You really are a jerk.
 

TIM is about the biggest jerk in the galaxy. But he's an ultra cool jerk and I love his character so he can get away with it. Zaeed was just a stupid ****** who thought he was badass. 

[Aisynia]

Zaeed is full of win.

[Gabey5]

ummm why? he have you looked at the squad mates... there are more civilian killers on board

[Barker673]

Lintire wrote...

Nobody shoots my damn crewmates and gets away with it. Nobody.

But he was shot before he became apart of your crew. Sure, if someone shot Grunt in the head I would rain down on them with a vengeance, but only if he was on my team currently - also Zaeed lets his personal feelings get in the way of a mission - something that isn't a good attribute when you are going on a suicide mission. 

Zaeed is more of a psychopath than Jack is in my opinion.

[Riot Inducer]

TerribleTruth wrote...
You want to hurt the guy who gave you a second chance at life too?
You really are a jerk.
 

Yep, that's me!  
If TIM doesn't like it he probably should have thought twice about sending me into all those traps. Kinda silly considering how much he invested in me, it's like buying a brand new Lambroghini Murcielago and entering it in a demolition derby. 

[Roachefort]

Its funny how this one incident polarizes people. Shep's party is made up of assassins, psychopaths, geth, and quasi-terrorists, but the guy who goes too far for a good reason is the one everyone hates. Killing Vido saves more lives than saving the refinery hands down.

[aaniadyen]

I hated him too. Anyone willing to kill innocent people to fulfill their own vengeful blood lust isn't worthy of being on Shepard's team. Every single person he's lead has died, and it's obvious he doesn't care about anyone but himself. I would kill him if I could. Only difference between him and every other Blue Suns merc you kill is this is one with experience.

[Malckeor]

Barker673 wrote...

I hated him, but for the sake of getting his loyalty I let the workers burn. Had I known I could literally beat him into submission, I would have. I'll have to do another playthrough - but are you still able to gain his loyalty if you Paragon interrupt?

yes, but at the end of the mission, if you choose the paragon path, you need HIGH AS HELL paragon to still get his loyalty. There's a paragon conversation option at the end of the mission that requires insanely high paragon to activate.... only way to get his loyalty for us paragons.

[Malckeor]

aaniadyen wrote...

I hated him too. Anyone willing to kill innocent people to fulfill their own vengeful blood lust isn't worthy of being on Shepard's team. Every single person he's lead has died, and it's obvious he doesn't care about anyone but himself. I would kill him if I could. Only difference between him and every other Blue Suns merc you kill is this is one with experience.

You can actually leave Zaeed to die in the flames at the end of the paragon path of his loyalty mission I think.

[Mossa_missa]

Well, I like him, except under his loyalty mission where he was alite way into the whole revenge thingie.

[Dermain]

It would have been nice if you could actually have a conversation with Zaeed on the Normandy. He just seems so randomly tacked on to the game, good voice acting though.

aaniadyen wrote...

Anyone willing to
kill innocent people to fulfill their own vengeful blood lust isn't
worthy of being on Shepard's team.

So what does Shepard do if s/he happens to be renegade?

Modifié par Myrkale, 15 février 2010 - 08:50 .

[Stofsk]

flem1 wrote...

If you missed the point where you DO punch Zaeed, you weren't paying much attention.

The interrupt system is sometimes a bit too quick. I missed at least one interrupt because I just didn't notice the option was available.

[aaniadyen]

Myrkale wrote...

It would have been nice if you could actually have a conversation with Zaeed on the Normandy. He just seems so randomly tacked on to the game, good voice acting though.

aaniadyen wrote...

Anyone willing to
kill innocent people to fulfill their own vengeful blood lust isn't
worthy of being on Shepard's team.

So what does Shepard do if s/he happens to be renegade?

He's a hippocrate? =P

That's just my personal opinion of it. Not representative of Shepards' at all. I could have worded "Doesn't deserve to be on Shepard's team" better, but honestly, who cares?

[magnuskn]

Malckeor wrote...

Barker673 wrote...

I hated him, but for the sake of getting his loyalty I let the workers burn. Had I known I could literally beat him into submission, I would have. I'll have to do another playthrough - but are you still able to gain his loyalty if you Paragon interrupt?

yes, but at the end of the mission, if you choose the paragon path, you need HIGH AS HELL paragon to still get his loyalty. There's a paragon conversation option at the end of the mission that requires insanely high paragon to activate.... only way to get his loyalty for us paragons.

Good for me that I always do Zaeeds loyalty mission dead last before I pick up the Reaper IFF. At that time my Paragon meter is maxed out already.