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[Sanlan]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Daewan wrote...

"Zaeed? He's just like you, Commander. Only he takes checks."

I always wondered if Joker says that to Paragon players. Becasue it's so true for my Renegade. We are two peas in a pod.

Joke does say that, and I found it odd. But palling around with Zaaed on my Insanity play through through everything, the little stunt at the refinery seems more anomalous and its more clear it is this huge thirst for revenge rather than "I hate people." Taking him to the Citadel and his war stories, he seems honestly to dislike mentioning when his team gets killed on his various missions. I think he's a lot more complex than people give him credit for, but you have to drag him with you everywhere, while everyone else you can get their story if you leave them on ship duty.

[Tyfreaky]

Sanlan wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Daewan wrote...

"Zaeed? He's just like you, Commander. Only he takes checks."

I always wondered if Joker says that to Paragon players. Becasue it's so true for my Renegade. We are two peas in a pod.

Joke does say that, and I found it odd. But palling around with Zaaed on my Insanity play through through everything, the little stunt at the refinery seems more anomalous and its more clear it is this huge thirst for revenge rather than "I hate people." Taking him to the Citadel and his war stories, he seems honestly to dislike mentioning when his team gets killed on his various missions. I think he's a lot more complex than people give him credit for, but you have to drag him with you everywhere, while everyone else you can get their story if you leave them on ship duty.

I have to agree with you, take Zaeed on the SuZe mission and he has some very paragon comments. Also when you take him on the Archangel mission he says some rather paragon (for him) phrases, especially when you stop the kid from joining the mercs.

[oYOSSARIANo]

I liked Zaeed, he reminded me of Canderous from KotOR. Even though I'm a paragon, I like renegade  or ambiguous morality companions, it makes for amusing chat. I wish he had proper conversations.

Talking about Zaeed and Canderous, we need a renagade robot/ai in ME 3 like HK47.

Modifié par oYOSSARIANo, 15 février 2010 - 05:06 .

[RighteousRage]

Yes haha, I did punch Zaeed. Man I hate that guy.

[ReplicantZero]

Sanlan wrote...
But palling around with Zaaed on my Insanity play through through everything, the little stunt at the refinery seems more anomalous and its more clear it is this huge thirst for revenge rather than "I hate people." Taking him to the Citadel and his war stories, he seems honestly to dislike mentioning when his team gets killed on his various missions. I think he's a lot more complex than people give him credit for, but you have to drag him with you everywhere, while everyone else you can get their story if you leave them on ship duty.

Agree. Like I said in another thread, there does seem to be more to this character than you get from 1st impressions.

Still enjoyed punching him though.

[Mondo47]

As Kelly said, he was remarkably well-adjusted for essentially a professional murderer. Demanding a bunch of civilians cook off just so you can, well, cook off one guy that shot you isn't that well adjusted in my book, but on the whole I thought he was a pretty neat character. Some of his annecdotes are interesting (in a pretty damn grim way, admittedly... like the 'decoy' girl wearing the explosive harness one), he just needed a slap to get him focused on the job again.

He wasn't bonkers, he wasn't that much of a whinger, and he certainly didn't fade into the wallpaper... he can stay on the ship

[TheLostGenius]

How do you save the factory workers without losing Zaheeds Loyalty? Was hoping it open up a new quest to kill Vido. But BLAM no loyalty. THough apparently his loyalty doesn't matter because he survived teh end game and he was not loyal. Weird!

[MutantSpleen]

Me and my buddy Zaeed rescuing Tali. 
Squad disrupter ammo makes that mission easy.

[RighteousRage]

TheLostGenius wrote...

How do you save the factory workers without losing Zaheeds Loyalty? Was hoping it open up a new quest to kill Vido. But BLAM no loyalty. THough apparently his loyalty doesn't matter because he survived teh end game and he was not loyal. Weird!

You just have to convince him with paragon/renegade options at the end I think

[Sanlan]

Rage is right; you need a good enough Paragon score to remind him that we're a team, and team mates don't let team mates roast civilians.

[Yantze]

Zaeed is the man. Id never punch my boy.

[Computron2000]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Guess I am mean, I liked when he beat on the Batarian. I hate Batarians, I kill them whenever I get the chance.

After the "bring down the sky" DLC, i really wouldn't mind shooting all Batarians who mouth off (eg, Mordin's assistant's assailants)

[brain_damage]

I punched Zaeed. Right in the face. And this was a paragon decision. It was SO WORT IT.

[Ecael]

I actually liked Zaeed and I play both a very evil Renegade Shepard as well as an angelic Paragon Shepard, but why is everyone talking about just punching him? You can make him literally die in a fire (and did so with my Renegade Shepard just to find out).

[krylo]

Tyfreaky wrote...

I did punch him... the only persons in the game I wanted to punch more were Udina and the Council.

You can't punch the council.  The Turian Councillor would negate your punches with smug disbelief.

"Oh yes, 'your fist in my face'.  Of course. How could I miss all the 'evidence' of you 'punching me'.  Yes, it's so very 'obvious' that you 'hit me in the face,' Shepard."

Mondo47 wrote...
 Demanding a bunch of civilians cook off just so you can, well, cook off one guy that shot you isn't that well adjusted in my book,

On the other hand, letting a guy get away who enslaves and murders civilians in his day to day life, as well as runs the Blue Suns Merc group AND isn't above shooting his best friend in the face would obviously result in many more innocent deaths in the future.

It may not be well-adjusted to let civilians burn to catch him, but it's not smart to save one refinery worth of civilians at the cost of letting a mass murderer go on to kill/order the deaths of many more.

It's no different than the paragon/renegade choice in BDtS.  Actually, you have more evidence that Vido will go on to do terrible things than you did that the batarian would in BDtS.  Vido was pure sociopatch, while that batarian was acting extreme out of a need for revenge/hate.  Further, Vido still runs the Blue Suns if you let him go, while the batarian runs nothing once you've murdered his entire miniature army.  And you know Vido has a long history of doing terrible things, while you only know of the one thing the batarian did.

When Zaeed says that it may not seem like it but you did the right thing by helping him--he's correct if you're working on a 'ends justify the means' version of morality.  Yes, you let some people die, but because you did that many fewer people will die in the future.

Modifié par krylo, 15 février 2010 - 06:12 .

[Yantze]

See Krylo gets it. Vido needed to die. Letting him get away just lets him kill more people. Look at that pile of worker bodies you see when you first land on the planet.

[Braag]

Give him a break. I can see why he wants Santiago dead so badly even though his actions are wrong at times.

[Jobrill]

You know, whenever Zaeed starts rambling about his missions, I sort of want to interrupt him.



"Hey. That's nice Zaeed. I'd LOVE to hear another story about how you got your squad killed on some penny-ante two-bit merc mission, but how about I tell you a few stories.



Maybe I could tell you about the time, I bought down a massive reaper-controlled complex crawling with Geth and Krogan on a remote world, which ended when I blew it up with an improvised explosive. I only lost ONE Crewmember that time.



Or maybe the time I saved the entire galaxy from extinction by fighting my way up the outside of the Citadel and forcing my enemy to kill himself, then killing his evil possessed cybernetic husk of a corpse.



Or maybe the time I infiltrated a collector ship with only 2 other squad members, killed half the crew , then fought my way out past the other half with sensitive intelligence that will be used to save the galaxy AGAIN. Oh wait. That was LAST TUESDAY.



Seriously, you suck old man. What was TIM thinking?"

[mcharj11]

Just my opinion, but those workers were just insects amongst the trillions in the galaxy so i didn't really give two ****s about them, i was more concerned about getteing the bastard shooting at me. Didn't even find the screaming bad like some have said, i found it quite amusing to be honest.

And as for Batarians, i can't stand them, always killed them whenever i got the chance, even watched that one die from the disease/virus instead of giving him a medkit. I just wish i was able to renegade interrupt that one that keeps saying over and over "the end is nigh", "you are a blight".

Modifié par mcharj11, 15 février 2010 - 07:19 .

[AventuroLegendary]

He hates Batarians too, which was the reason he was betrayed

[Schneidend]

neubourn wrote...

Jeez, people hate the co-founder of the Blue Suns Mercenaries...who woulda thunk it?

Well, the Blue Suns were originally founded by a batarian warlord. Vigo and Zaeed just ran the current iteration of the group.

Modifié par Schneidend, 19 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[coyotl5]

I deleted the Zaeed content before completing ME2.

Did 1st complete playthrough on insanity and wanted to do it

without any DLCs that make the game easier.

Zaeed definetely makes combat easier.

And he really is unacceptable for a paragon playthrough.

[Raphael diSanto]

Personally? I love the character? My ParaShep punched him though.

[DarthKaldriss]

I like Zaaed leave that great guy alone......