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[sinosleep]

Doing it with multiple enemies isn't really the best way to do it. What I tested was leaving one vorcha alive and having him alone shoot me. He took down a standard shield in one salvo. I retreated, cast barrier, then let him shoot me again. One salvo takes you down to about 1/3 shields left, then he has to reload to finish removing the shield. I repeated this several times always with the same result. One salvo from a vorcha will remove standard shields, he has to reload and fire another to remove barrier. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 15 février 2010 - 02:18 .

[_Dannok1234]

oh I know doing it against 3 enemies was probably a bit much, and I tried it a fair few times as the enemies would do different things. But I figured it would be a scenario in which you might expect a shield type skill to be of help. Which it potentially could be, but as it turns out, it's sort of like playing Russian roulette. At least I'd not recommend it for anyone to use together with charge, way to little "value" added for 10 points.



But the 1 point could in some cases where you have to work from cover, or a class that doesn't have charge. I can see it being of use, as long as there is not some other bonus skill you'd want.

[Sarevok Anchev]

sinosleep wrote...

Doing it with multiple enemies isn't really the best way to do it. What I tested was leaving one vorcha alive and having him alone shoot me. He took down a standard shield in one salvo. I retreated, cast barrier, then let him shoot me again. One salvo takes you down to about 1/3 shields left, then he has to reload to finish removing the shield. I repeated this several times always with the same result. One salvo from a vorcha will remove standard shields, he has to reload and fire another to remove barrier. 

Wait... did you recast Barrier after he took down your Shields with the second Salvo, or didnt you?

[Qario]

I would pick Geth Shield Boost over both Barrier and Fortification because when you evolve it into "Improved Geth Shield Boost" you get +10% weapon damage while it's active, which is max 60 secs, this "only" gives +75% of maximum shields, but meh, that's enough

[Sarevok Anchev]

Qario wrote...

I would pick Geth Shield Boost over both Barrier and Fortification because when you evolve it into "Improved Geth Shield Boost" you get +10% weapon damage while it's active, which is max 60 secs, this "only" gives +75% of maximum shields, but meh, that's enough

Yeah, i thought that myself too, till i realized, that you loose the Bonus when you loose your Shields; and when playing on Insane that happens veery fast! ^^

Also the Shield-upgrades have a 12 Second Cooldown, so you either:
- cant use our Main-Powers for about 10-12 Seconds
- or need to always precast it (thus shortening your Time to about 50 Seconds at least; and also its very annoying...)

For my Soldier it was even pointless, because his "Hardened Adrenaline Rush" gave him 50%DR and was 3-times faster in recharging.

But thats ofc personal Playingstyle  

[mundus66]

So now is the question: What really is the difference between fortification and barrier? Seriously its the same skill.

[Qario]

mundus66 wrote...

So now is the question: What really is the difference between fortification and barrier? Seriously its the same skill.

The graphics?

[sinosleep]

Apparently it's just that it doesn't get the cast time bonus that barrier does, so it's basically worse in every way. When I was testing it I think the cooldown on barrier was 8 seconds.

[SmilingMirror]

sinosleep wrote...

Apparently it's just that it doesn't get the cast time bonus that barrier does, so it's basically worse in every way. When I was testing it I think the cooldown on barrier was 8 seconds.

Thats because its a biotic ability. Therefore you can get the biotic cooldown and biotic duration upgrades. Fortification is a combat ability so it doesn't get the same armor bonuses.

Modifié par SmilingMirror, 15 février 2010 - 05:17 .

[sinosleep]

SmilingMirror wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Apparently it's just that it doesn't get the cast time bonus that barrier does, so it's basically worse in every way. When I was testing it I think the cooldown on barrier was 8 seconds.

Thats because its a biotic ability. Therefore you can get the biotic cooldown and biotic duration upgrades. Fortification is a combat ability so it doesn't get the same armor bonuses.

I know, which means it's useless. It can't possibly be working as intended. I mean, why bother having it as a bonus ability if it's a gimped version of barrier (gets biotic bonuses) and geth shield boost (gets tech bonuses, geth shield bonuses, AND 10% damage bonus on one version)? 

[GlassRain]

Fortification should be remade to act like immunity in the first ME. Damage reduction for 3-5 seconds with a 12 second cooldown.

[SmilingMirror]

sinosleep wrote...

SmilingMirror wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Apparently it's just that it doesn't get the cast time bonus that barrier does, so it's basically worse in every way. When I was testing it I think the cooldown on barrier was 8 seconds.

Thats because its a biotic ability. Therefore you can get the biotic cooldown and biotic duration upgrades. Fortification is a combat ability so it doesn't get the same armor bonuses.

I know, which means it's useless. It can't possibly be working as intended. I mean, why bother having it as a bonus ability if it's a gimped version of barrier (gets biotic bonuses) and geth shield boost (gets tech bonuses, geth shield bonuses, AND 10% damage bonus on one version)? 

yes which is why I think there should be an update that makes it worth using fortification.

[gr00grams]

I don't know guys, but it's not shutting off for me.



Perhaps this is based on damage type or something where we are all conducting our tests?

I have made a very simple youtube video, using a starting game character to show it.



It's uploading now. I'll post the link when done.

[Star-drinker]

Maybe it changes the multiplier by turning your shields into 'armor' temporarily.

[Anew614]

I wish someone from Bioware could shed some light on this issue.



How is Fortification, Barrier & Geth shields suppose to work excatly?

[sinosleep]

gr00grams wrote...

I don't know guys, but it's not shutting off for me.

Perhaps this is based on damage type or something where we are all conducting our tests?
I have made a very simple youtube video, using a starting game character to show it.

It's uploading now. I'll post the link when done.

I did my tests at the blood pack base with all the vorcha. It shut off just like all the others. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 15 février 2010 - 06:13 .

[gr00grams]

Here you go guys;

www.youtube.com/watch

It's still being processed, so might be a bit murky for a bit.
I used the very start of the game, as it has a single enemy and allows controlled testing.

Base shields are 258.
Go to 320 with fortification.
1 point in fortify.
Insanity mode.

You can also see the graphic does not shut off as well.

Cheers,

[SmilingMirror]

gr00grams wrote...

Here you go guys;

www.youtube.com/watch

It's still being processed, so might be a bit murky for a bit.
I used the very start of the game, as it has a single enemy and allows controlled testing.

Base shields are 258.
Go to 320 with fortification.
1 point in fortify.
Insanity mode.

You can also see the graphic does not shut off as well.

Cheers,

Yeah, your buggy. But don't feel bad, I used to able to boost my shields with Energy Drain instead of restore them. I really wish the bug would come back...it made ED so much more fun.

Modifié par SmilingMirror, 15 février 2010 - 06:21 .

[gr00grams]

I'm not so sure to rule it out as a bug yet.

Everything in my game seems to work as intended.



A request;



Someone else do the exact test I did in the video please, see if it's my 'test area' perhaps?

[sinosleep]

Um, it might be a soldier thing. Does anyone have a high level soldier to try this on? Cause I just made a brand new soldier, tried it out on the starter level at fortification level 1, 2 and 3 and fortification worked exactly as it did in gr00grams vid.

[Anew614]

sinosleep wrote...

Um, it might be a soldier thing. Does anyone have a high level soldier to try this on? Cause I just made a brand new soldier, tried it out on the starter level at fortification level 1, 2 and 3 and fortification worked exactly as it did in gr00grams vid.

I tried it with my lvl 30 soldier class many times it does'nt work. This is some weird sh**

[Star-drinker]

Yes, I tried with soldier and it stayed even after shields dropped. I have noticed that there are 2 types of shields though. Purple and Blue. Soldier has blue Vanguard and Adept have purple.

[gr00grams]

We are on to something here!

I've noticed the shield color too.
Another thing;

Adepts shields don't say shield.
They say 'barrier'.

My soldier says shields.

Perhaps there is a resistance system in this game?

Modifié par gr00grams, 15 février 2010 - 06:40 .

[sinosleep]

Hey it's looking like it may be the level. I just took the same soldier and rushed to freedom's progress. Tried it there and it goes away and stays away after shield goes down now.

[Thadar69]

Could it have something to do with the "tutorial" level? Maybe this doesn't work outside of the first area...