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[flem1]

Oghren was the Legion of Dragon Age: pure awesome but acquired far too late in most playthroughs for folks to become really attached to him. So it makes sense to give him some more airtime.



Yeah, I think that means we'll get Legion back.

[Valmy]

Gaudion wrote...

It's already been said. I don't know why people are still fighting it.

Because of the fact that they can die as part of the story, the most they could possibly be in ME3 is optional, which means that they likely won't play a pivotal part in the story. I do expect they'll be in the game, but expect to see Garrus as an optional recruit once again and Tali as either an optional recruit or in a role on the Flotilla (Admiral?) similar to Wrex's on Tuchanka in ME2.

Not that I don't hope to be wrong and see Tali (and Wrex, for that matter) at the forefront of the game again, but Bioware has done far worse on returns before.

Oghren? Really?

You Oghren haters make me phyiscally ill with blind rage.

But um...dude every single party member from ME1 or ME2 can die except for Liara.  Are you saying there will be no returning characters except Liara?

[aeetos21]

My idea that I posted on the ME3 wishlist thread was to have a sort of "timer" in ME3 that would only allow you to do so many recruitment missions to fill the ME3 roster before you had to go on ME3's version of the "end run" or "suicide mission" or whatever it is you want to call it. The reapers are on the verge of invading, it'd make sense for you to be running out of time.

Still, it wouldn't be so bad either if you could do as many side missions you want to help prepare you. You just can't recruit everybody that survived, those missions will advance the main plot forward.

This satisfies most of everything. For those people who will only have Liara and Kaidan/Ashley returning as squadmates and one or two of the people from ME2 that survived then they would also be required to recruit a set number of ME3 recruits that are mandatory to having on the main mission for one reason or another.

For those who had nearly everyone survive you can still take up to a certain number of ME1 and ME2 people but only a certain number so as to not make it look like you're recruiting a football team versus an elite commando squad.

So for example... you get six fresh ME3 recruits that are mandatory for the ME3 main mission, for one reason or another. On top of them you'd be able to recruit Ashley/Kaidan, Liara, and the one or two that survived from ME2. That gives you roughly nine or ten recruits possible - enough to complete the mission, it'd be tough but doable.

For those who have many survivors from ME1 and ME2 you obviously can't take everybody with you on one run - just too many variables. But you can do replays of the game and choose different people to take with each time, adding immensely to ME3's replay value.

So it would look like...

4 mandatory ME3 recruits...
*2 optional ME3 recruits...
3 or 4 recruits from ME1 and ME2 to help complete the minimal roster
2 or 3 or what have you potential additional recruits from ME1 and ME2 to make it a full roster

You won't be able to have everybody on one playthrough (some people might actually prefer that) but it does open the door to allowing you ME1 and ME2 squad favorites to return while also allowing playability for people whose ME1 and ME2 imports suffered heavy causalties and will need fresh ME3 recruits in order to complete what mission BW throws at us.

Modifié par aeetos21, 15 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[GenericPlayer2]

I am guessing it won't only depend on if they survive the suicide mission. I sacrificed Tali's loyalty so that the truth will be known and have enough dramatic impact on Quarians to rethink their future. I fully expect her not to be recruitable when/if I see her in ME3.

[Erasculio]

I'd find it odd for Bioware to not include any of these four as recruitable characters, they're part of what makes the Mass Effect universe great, they add deep personel storys to the ever expanding universe.

No party member who could have died in Mass Effect 1 joins as a party member in ME2.

Therefore, it would be expected that no party member who could die in ME2 will join as a party member in Mass Effect 3.

Considering how all party members could die in ME2, it's to be expected that no party member from ME2 will join as a party member in Mass Effect 3.

A party member isn't something simple to create; it requires a lot of dialogue, artwork, balance decisions, subquests design, and etc. In ME2 Bioware didn't think it would be worth to create all that for characters that players could have chosen to die, basically wasting all that work for part of the players. They will likely do the same for Mass Effect 3.

In other words, one of the main flaws of ME2 is how it allows us to kill everyone. That effectively makes it very unlikely that any of the (very important) NPCs from ME2 will have any significant role on Mass Effect 3.

[ScriptDiver]

Since the rumor around the internet is that we won't have to wait -that- long for ME3, it should already be far along in development, and that means the companions in the third installment was probably decided at the same as the plans for ME2 was being laid out.

I find it a bit silly that the central theme of ME2 is this SUICIDE mission, which obviously everyone survives... and then all of them returning in ME3. Doesn't seem like a well laid out story, and not something BioWare would do to me. Personal opinion of course. Also the ragtag band of mercenaries was recruited for this mission only.

A safe bet though is that Kaidan/Ashely will return in ME3, and as already stated by the developers anyone who romanced anyone in ME2 will suffer greatly for it on ME3. Now why would they do that? hmmmm, yeah I wonder. So one of those two will definately make a decisive appearance. (even though their reuinion on Horizon was truly horrible as reunions go, and I can't see any reason not to romance someone else after that)

Quite a few of Shepards crew doesn't really fit the bill of returning. Thane has a sickness that will kill him, in all aspects it would be really silly if they suddenly came up with a cure for the sole purpose of having him in ME3. Jack says she'll stick to this mission then she'll f*** the **** off, why would she return? Zaeed was a downloadable character, that would be great to see more of in ME3, but I can't see how really. Samara is sworn to Shepard for this mission only, and states that if she wasn't so she would be forced to kill him... don't really see her in ME3 either (and let's not even mention Morinth...). Grunt is being portrayed as the 'perfect' pure krogan, I bet his role will be something silly like uniting the krogans under one banner together with Wrex, or somesuch - in any case not a recruitable companion.

Talking to Tali reveals that she is being considered for the open spot in the Admiralty Board of the Migrant Fleet - which just gives that tingling feeling in the gut that her appearance in ME3 will be just that. And that the Quarian/Geth war/not war and the Shepard choice there will play a role in ME3.

With regards to Miranda and Jacob, that depends on what role Cerebrus plays in the followup. Can't really say, the characters feel very hollow - especially Jacob - and could do with some serious fleshing up in another game, maybe that was the idea from the get-go, maybe they were just there to flesh out Cerebrus which will turn bad-guy in ME3 (especially if you gave them the station at the end^^ - I so bet that will come back and bite Shepard in the ass)

Also it could be that the conflict between The Illusive Man and the Shadowbroker is being laid out in ME2 and will take center stage in the final chapter - thus bringing in Liara in some way.

One safe bet though, as we saw coming from ME1 to ME2 is that every NPC/companion you ran across in the first game tended to appear in the sequel in the most odd of places. So I think all of the companions in ME2 will have some impact or appearance on ME3, just perhaps not as recruitable part members.

Modifié par ScriptDiver, 15 février 2010 - 02:46 .

[kaimanaMM]

Speaking personally, I would be disappointed if BW makes us recruit another team. The whole point of ME2 was to gather an amazing, capable team, the best of the best and gain their loyalty. These are people (not just Tali and Garrus, all of them) who will follow Shepard through anything. It would be a pretty big deal if they decided to scrap that team and go with a new one. It's not exactly difficult to have them all survive, there are many many people who did it on their first playthrough without spoilers.



I would hope that we see the return of the ME2 and ME1 squadmates and possibly one or two new recruitable team members. The vast majority of players also want to see their LI back as a playable squadmate, whoever it was and I hope (I have faith in you BW) that we'll see that happening.

[aeetos21]

Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?



I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/



Open for interpretation what CH means by "play"

[aeetos21]

"Mass Effect 3," Hudson said, "will be easier because we don't have to worry about continuity into the next one." While no one ever expected the Mass Effect world to go away after the Shepard trilogy, it sounds like they're pretty dead set to wrap the current story arc up in the third game.

http://www.shacknews...article.x/61666

Should make a thread about ME3 news releases at some point in the future (late 2011 early 2012 is when they're hoping to have it completed by)

Modifié par aeetos21, 15 février 2010 - 02:51 .

[Mox Ruuga]

No.

I don't think Tali is even mandatory to recruit for the plot to proceed...

Everyone else is "mortal" as well. Hell, Garrus and Tali lost their plot armor from ME1, something Bioware must have done for a reason...

[ScriptDiver]

Maybe you won't have a team at all in ME3? They've already introduced the concept of forcing us to bring a certain companion, ie in the loyalty missions. Maybe the main story of ME3 will be built up like that? Playing through all the loose ends and your own decisions in previous games according to that concept?

[AceTrilby101]

I see where people are coming from in terms of the possibility of all characters dying in a single ME2 playthrough. However, BioWare aren't amateurs - think of how many variables there were in ME2 - if you killed Wrex, if you killed the Rachni, if you killed Ashley or Kaidan. Granted, these did not have severe repercussions in ME2, but ME3 will tie all these events together. Helping the Rachni Queen in ME1 may cause a completely different ending in ME3. Who knows how much the Butterfly Effect will come into play? It is impossible to tell, but BioWare are experts, and they know what they're doing. Fan service is one of their top priorities, so I don't think we have to worry.

Modifié par AceTrilby101, 15 février 2010 - 03:03 .

[Unato]

u don't import a dead shepard, it's been stated 6000 times + the loading screen which prob no one reads

[Mox Ruuga]

AceTrilby101 wrote...

I see where people are coming from in terms of the possibility of all characters dying in a single ME2 playthrough (therefore they would not come back) coupled with the extensive voice acting involved, which would suggest that many characters may not make a return appearance. However, bear this in mind - ALL of Shepard's lines will have to be recorded at least 4 times. Why? If Shepard died in your ME2 playthough, a new PC will have to take his/her place, possibly with different dialogue entirely.
Also, BioWare aren't amateurs - think of how many variables there were in ME2 - if you killed Wrex, if you killed the Rachni, if you killed Ashley or Kaidan. Granted, these did not have severe repercussions in ME2, but ME3 will tie all these events together. Helping the Rachni Queen in ME1 may cause a completely different ending in ME3. Who knows how much the Butterfly Effect will come into play? It is impossible to tell, but BioWare are experts, and they know what they're doing. Fan service is one of their top priorities, so I don't think we have to worry.

Bioware have already confirmed long ago, that should your Shepard die in ME2, it's a game over. There will be no "new lead character" for ME3. Either you import a Shepard who survives the suicide mission, or you use the default Shepard Bioware provides for the ME3 noobs.

[AceTrilby101]

Unato wrote...

u don't import a dead shepard, it's been stated 6000 times + the loading screen which prob no one reads

My bad, edited.

[Unato]

=p



s ok man this forum moves too fast



on topic, the only ME2 toons that seems to have lose ending is Miri ( her sister ) and Morden ( genophage I can't spell but hey )... Tali / Legion seems like much larger picture

[Valmy]

ScriptDiver wrote...

With regards to Miranda and Jacob, that depends on what role Cerebrus plays in the followup. Can't really say, the characters feel very hollow - especially Jacob - and could do with some serious fleshing up in another game, maybe that was the idea from the get-go, maybe they were just there to flesh out Cerebrus which will turn bad-guy in ME3 (especially if you gave them the station at the end^^ - I so bet that will come back and bite Shepard in the ass)

Sounds like somebody didn't spend much time talking to either of them.  Both Miranda and Jacob leave Cerberus if you blow up the Collector's base just FYI.

[GenericPlayer2]

There is a thrill I associate with meeting and recruiting new people. As long as ME3 has its own storyline and is not centered around recruitment (recruitment of team members or armies), I will be happy.

My expectation is that former squad mates will likely appear in cameo roles. Since any squad member can die, then NONE of them are 'too important' to the plot to keep on - with the exception of Liara since she did not die in ME1 or ME2, and you get at least one Virmire survivor.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 15 février 2010 - 03:14 .

[Valmy]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

There is a thrill I associate with meeting and recruiting new people. As long as ME3 has its own storyline and is not centered around recruitment (recruitment of team members or armies).

So...you don't get a thrill meeting and recruiting people so long as games are not centered around recruting people?

[Unato]

I dunno I'm attached to my ME2 characters ( not just to tali but the rest of the squad ). It seems lame to just camo them with random side quest #658. In ME2 I think it's ok because there's always ME3 for them to play a <big> role but ME3 is the final act

[SolidRevolver]

Woah woah woah... hold the phone... people care about Jacob?

[Spectre_Shepard]

nobodys safe.



I want them all back (ME1 and ME2), but until Bioware comes out and says This is how it is, I wont believe anything.

[Unato]

we're opening a bar on the Normandy, it's cool yo



ok he was largely useless in a firefight but hey

[aeetos21]

I think I'm more attached to my ME2 characters moreso than my ME1 ones because in ME1 it was a conscious choice on who would live or die. ME2, we still haven't fully figured out the formula and when you first see a squadmate die/almost die who you really like? That got a more personal response out of me than when I left Ashley or Kaidan to die on Virmire.

[Valmy]

SolidRevolver wrote...

Woah woah woah... hold the phone... people care about Jacob?

I enjoyed using his barrier ability.

I liked the guy, good character it was just a little too bad he never really developed like it was hinted he would throughout the game.  Maybe in the future eh?

Modifié par Valmy, 15 février 2010 - 03:17 .