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[GenericPlayer2]

Valmy wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

There is a thrill I associate with meeting and recruiting new people. As long as ME3 has its own storyline and is not centered around recruitment (recruitment of team members or armies).

So...you don't get a thrill meeting and recruiting people so long as games are not centered around recruting people?

No thats not what I meant. ME1 recruitment was brief and part of mission objectives - e.g. you get Tali while looking for evidence against Saren. In ME2 each recruit is part of a lengthly quest/mission followed up by a loyalty mission that generally has nothing to do with the main objective. Hence ME2 is centered around recruiting, ME1 is not. I want ME3 recruitment to follow the ME1 model.

[Valmy]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...
ME1 is not. I want ME3 recruitment to follow the ME1 model.

Eh I preferred the ME2 model, it was new and different from what Bioware had done before.  All their other games follow the ME1 model.  In ME2 I felt like I got to know the characters alot better.

But hey if they let us keep whoever lived out of our team then hey there will be no recruitment and we can just focus on a primary story.

Modifié par Valmy, 15 février 2010 - 03:20 .

[Pyrofoxable]

I reckon the ME3 squad will be...

Ashley/Kaiden.

Liara to pull the Asari.

Garrus to pull the Turians.

Tali to pull the Quarians.

Legion to pull the Geth.

Miranda.

Grunt/Wrex because we have to have a Krogan right? Most likely Grunt.

Captain Kirrahe OR Mordin's nephew. I would love to keep Mordin but I
think he'll be working on the Genophage cure.

Plus a few more new guys.

Modifié par Pyrofoxable, 15 février 2010 - 03:23 .

[PARAGON87]

Counting this game with 12 squadmates (yes there's 11 now, but I'm not ruling out Kasumi), and the last game you had 6 (with one dying, and two being in ME2), that's a total of 15 possible squadmates coming back for ME3.

Not counting the new characters that we can recruit in the new one, and possibly others in the expansion, I can't see everyone coming back for ME3, just a select few. I would say half would come back.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 15 février 2010 - 03:37 .

[addiction21]

Valmy wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...
ME1 is not. I want ME3 recruitment to follow the ME1 model.

Eh I preferred the ME2 model, it was new and different from what Bioware had done before.  All their other games follow the ME1 model.  In ME2 I felt like I got to know the characters alot better.

But hey if they let us keep whoever lived out of our team then hey there will be no recruitment and we can just focus on a primary story.

I too would like the ME 1 model of the quick and fast team building so the actual story can be the focus. To be clear I liked where ME2 went with the focus on the characters but now ME3 needs to tie up the story and needs to be EPIC in scope.

[FlintlockJazz]

I reckon ME3 will be an expansion pack, here is my reasoning:



1. Apparently Bioware has said that they are not going to be making any changes to the ME engine for 3, allowing them to focus more on the story and characters, hopefully this means that they are going to take into account all the different possibilities a player can make, but either way this means that the game engine will be the same, and so there won't be any incompatibility issues.

2. Most people playing 3 will have played 2, and to be blunt there is no point in accomodating for those few who insist on starting with the last chapter of a story when they are not going to be able to follow the plot anyway, even with a canon storyline. In order to avoid this, making 3 as an expansion pack ensures that everyone that gets it already has 2.

3. Throne of Bhaal was the third act in the Baldur's Gate trilogy, yet it was an expansion pack which essentially carried on from where BG2 left off, bringing across the same characters you had into it while allowing Bioware to build from the current engine already in place. I see the same thing happening here, with the characters being brought across as is from ME2 in the same way (already with you), removing the need to import as it will be the same game.



In essence, I suspect it may be a (expensive) expansion pack, perhaps with the full work involved as a whole new game (and with the price tag of a full game) but expanding on what is already there. That's my theory anyway.

[Hepzi3]

Ive heard a whole bunch of different ideas on this subject, A couple i have really liked and then a couple I have really hated.



One that I really like is that we choose who we get to recruit, Provided they are still alive.



Keep the following on the Normandy SR2 at the start :Legion, Tali, Garrus Miranda and Jacob. Mordin and Thane are too ready to die (Do you get what I mean? Mordin is 10 years older than the average Salarian, and Thane had 6 months to live. I think Mass Effect 3 takes place 2 years after the destruction OR salvaging of the Collector base.) I dont want Bioware to ruin my emotional investment in him by keeping him alive (Thane....not Mordin lol.).



Keep them on the ship at the start. I dont see where Garrus or Tali would go (Or WHY they would go. Garrus and MShep are best friends, and Garrus and FemShep can be lovers.) Same with Tali.

Legion looks up to you as a Hero or something, and he is going to be key to rallying the indoctrinated Geth to our side.

Miranda and Jacob both have a ton of info about Cerberus (Assuming you destroyed the base) and in addition to EDI, Would help you find out where TIM is.



Grunt will go back to Tuchanka. I dont see him staying around. I might need him, But he will also play a huge role (With Wrex) in convincing the Krogan, Free of the Genophage to fight against the Reapers. Let us recruit Liara, Ash/Kaidan, and anyone else we want to from the previous 2 games.



Make Kal Reegar recruitable. His role in ME2 makes me think that they will do just that.



But dont FORCE us to recruit anyone. This team went through hell and back, They can do it again.

I do want to recruit Ash, Liara and Kal Reegar. But past that, I trust Garrus with my life, Im starting to trust Miranda, Kal Reegar would be a great addition to my Soldier ensemble.

[PARAGON87]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

I reckon ME3 will be an expansion pack, here is my reasoning:

1. Apparently Bioware has said that they are not going to be making any changes to the ME engine for 3, allowing them to focus more on the story and characters, hopefully this means that they are going to take into account all the different possibilities a player can make, but either way this means that the game engine will be the same, and so there won't be any incompatibility issues.
2. Most people playing 3 will have played 2, and to be blunt there is no point in accomodating for those few who insist on starting with the last chapter of a story when they are not going to be able to follow the plot anyway, even with a canon storyline. In order to avoid this, making 3 as an expansion pack ensures that everyone that gets it already has 2.
3. Throne of Bhaal was the third act in the Baldur's Gate trilogy, yet it was an expansion pack which essentially carried on from where BG2 left off, bringing across the same characters you had into it while allowing Bioware to build from the current engine already in place. I see the same thing happening here, with the characters being brought across as is from ME2 in the same way (already with you), removing the need to import as it will be the same game.

In essence, I suspect it may be a (expensive) expansion pack, perhaps with the full work involved as a whole new game (and with the price tag of a full game) but expanding on what is already there. That's my theory anyway.

Nah, I wouldn't think that.  An expansion is a continuation of the story of the original game, a sequel is an entirely new game part of whose backstory is events from the previous game.

It is a sound theory though, as BioWare as blurred the line separating "sequel" from "expansion", as the two are very similar.  Some people have branded ME2 as ME1.5 because of it!

[oYOSSARIANo]

I don't think NPC's who are potentially DEAD, could have anything other than a cameo in ME3. Just like Wrex, Kaden and Williams had in ME2.



Bioware will probably wrap everything thing up with some FMV and text at the end of the game, like Dragon Age, regarding old companions.



But you can't get away from the fact that all of your companions can die, in ME 2. So they don't exist for many players any more.



We know about Cerberus and operation Lazarus, but Cerberus is hardly likely to waste the money and time on aliens. Sure if Shepard dies at the end of 2 then he can be rebuilt by them again for 3, but there are not going to do it for Tali, Garrus or any other alien.



They left out Liara from ME2, the LI for probably 50% of ME one players.



I personally would not be bothered if they did not come back. Garrus is the most boring person in the universe, worse than Jacob even. Tali was good in the ME1, now in ME2 all she thinks about is getting her hoofs in my bed.



I do happen to think there is far too MUCH emphasis on romancing companions in ME2, it dominates companion chat.



The below dialogue seems to be missing from my game



Erm I just wanted to ask you about your background but every time I talk to you, you start demanding I chose between you and another NPC I am also not interested in, I just talk to them like I talk to you, get a grip. (Dragon Age was the same thing)



If I really were the commander of the Normandy I would have a standing order that made it a capital offence to CONTINUALLY SEXUALLY HARASS THE COMMANDING OFFICER, punishable by being put in the garbage compactor and shot into space. Lets keep it professional people, we have the Reapers to destroy.

[Valmy]

FlintlockJazz wrote...
3. Throne of Bhaal was the third act in the Baldur's Gate trilogy, yet it was an expansion pack which essentially carried on from where BG2 left off, bringing across the same characters you had into it while allowing Bioware to build from the current engine already in place. I see the same thing happening here, with the characters being brought across as is from ME2 in the same way (already with you), removing the need to import as it will be the same game.

Just to be clear, the reason ToB turned out to have to end the series was due to forces outside of Bioware's control: namely the release of D&D 3rd edition and WoTC announced they would no longer license 2nd Ed games so Bioware had to act fast.  NWN and 3rd Ed was the future.

Obviously no such license problems exist for Mass Effect.  Bioware can end the series on their own timeline.

Modifié par Valmy, 15 février 2010 - 03:47 .

[Kinvarus]

I've gotta agree with Pyrofoxable list that seems like the most logical choice, I think Miranda will probably be in it unless Yvonne Strahovski doesn't do it for whatever reason either way the game will be good, and if they don't change the engine maybe we'll get three next year

[GenericPlayer2]

If we do get our team mates back, then it should be all about consequences consequences consequences:



1. No one who died should get a Lazarus project



2. Tali: If you clear her of all charges and not reveal anything about her brother, she talks about her name being suggested for the admiralty board. As such, she should be an admiral and a cameo in ME3. If you gain loyalty through getting her exiled, she should be available as a team member. If you do not gain loyalty because you told the truth at the trial - she doesn't want to talk to you anymore, so back to cameo role - but if allied recruitment is the theme of ME2, Quarians will join you. If you do not reveal the truth at the trial Quarians should not be recruitable as allies because they are busy with Geth Plans.



3. Legion: Stays with you if you revealed the truth at the Quarian trial and brainwashed Heretics. War with creators not likely, and Geth recruitable as allies



4. Jacob/Miranda: If you save collector base, then they should stay with Cerberus and be cameo roles. If collective base destroyed, they resign and stay with you.



5. Garrus: If you save Sidonis he becomes obssessed again and is busy tracking him down. If you let him kill then he has nothing on his agenda - can join you...



And so on with the other squad mates. Some should not be optional like Samarra/Morinth off doing their own thing regardless, Thane and Mordin possibly dead....etc.



If BioWare makes real consequences like that instead of saying go for the blue/red dialog options all the way and everything will be fine - then I will be happy.

[PARAGON87]

oYOSSARIANo wrote...

I do happen to think there is far too MUCH emphasis on romancing companions in ME2, it dominates companion chat.

Considering you saved the galaxy TWICE, I'm not surprised that every female companion has their sights set on Shepherd.

I was fricking hit on by a Krogan in my game, for crying out loud.

[FlintlockJazz]

PARAGON87 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

I reckon ME3 will be an expansion pack, here is my reasoning:

1. Apparently Bioware has said that they are not going to be making any changes to the ME engine for 3, allowing them to focus more on the story and characters, hopefully this means that they are going to take into account all the different possibilities a player can make, but either way this means that the game engine will be the same, and so there won't be any incompatibility issues.
2. Most people playing 3 will have played 2, and to be blunt there is no point in accomodating for those few who insist on starting with the last chapter of a story when they are not going to be able to follow the plot anyway, even with a canon storyline. In order to avoid this, making 3 as an expansion pack ensures that everyone that gets it already has 2.
3. Throne of Bhaal was the third act in the Baldur's Gate trilogy, yet it was an expansion pack which essentially carried on from where BG2 left off, bringing across the same characters you had into it while allowing Bioware to build from the current engine already in place. I see the same thing happening here, with the characters being brought across as is from ME2 in the same way (already with you), removing the need to import as it will be the same game.

In essence, I suspect it may be a (expensive) expansion pack, perhaps with the full work involved as a whole new game (and with the price tag of a full game) but expanding on what is already there. That's my theory anyway.

Nah, I wouldn't think that.  An expansion is a continuation of the story of the original game, a sequel is an entirely new game part of whose backstory is events from the previous game.

It is a sound theory though, as BioWare as blurred the line separating "sequel" from "expansion", as the two are very similar.  Some people have branded ME2 as ME1.5 because of it!

Yeah, I'm just getting the feeling that the building up of a squad was made as such a big deal in ME2 that it seems intended as a build-up for ME3, and that being able to carry straight over into ME3 after the credits with all your characters and equipment/upgrades would be similar to how you carried over from Shadows of Amn to Throne of Bhaal. 

But if they really are going to use the same engine and system for ME3 then importing it across probably won't make much difference, and I doubt very much that they would pass up the chance to release it as a standalone game myself.

[MutantSpleen]

I really don't need Jacob. I kept wondering why he was there at every debrief of a new team member. I was like "I am the Captain. I don't have to run my choices by you."

[Valmy]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I really don't need Jacob. I kept wondering why he was there at every debrief of a new team member. I was like "I am the Captain. I don't have to run my choices by you."

Yeah I thought they made it clear that Miranda was the XO so if anybody was going to be there...yet it was always Jacob.  I thought he was a weapons expert, sort of a replacement for Ashley rather than an officer.

[Mrs Templar]

Valmy wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

I really don't need Jacob. I kept wondering why he was there at every debrief of a new team member. I was like "I am the Captain. I don't have to run my choices by you."

Yeah I thought they made it clear that Miranda was the XO so if anybody was going to be there...yet it was always Jacob.  I thought he was a weapons expert, sort of a replacement for Ashley rather than an officer.

I agree it didn't make any sense foe Jacob to be present for every debriefing.  IMO it would have made more sense for Miranda and Garrus to be there.

[GenericPlayer2]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I really don't need Jacob. I kept wondering why he was there at every debrief of a new team member. I was like "I am the Captain. I don't have to run my choices by you."

I agree. Having him present at those debriefs was annoying. I hated the way he addressed Tali and Thane. And his idea about going after the reaper IFF right away is epic fail. If he is in ME3 I will handle anything he says as an example of what NOT to do.

[addiction21]

Jacob is there at the debriefings because he would never of gotten screen time.

[s3bbi]

why should there a new recruiting anyway? while mass effect feeled like the story was brought to an end mass effect2 feeled more like a filler game. 90% of the time in mass effect 2 you run around recruiting or deepening the relations with your squadmates. you try to get the best team together to defeat the collector and reaper, why would mass effect3 start again with a recruiting period?

mass effect 2 and 3 seems more connected as 1 with the rest.

in my opinion in mass effect 3 you have to acquire an army like you did in dragon age.

[Naltair]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I really don't need Jacob. I kept wondering why he was there at every debrief of a new team member. I was like "I am the Captain. I don't have to run my choices by you."

I must be weird I liked Jacob and enjoyed his presence there, I much prefer his calm responses than Miranda who was just a mouth piece for TIM.  He was civil to Tali and Tali was an ass to him, and I like Tali but she was an ass to him.  He was trying to make amends and she just casually rebuffs his apology.

As for Thane I understood his reluctance, and I appreciated his input.  Maybe I am not as domineering but his more down to earth nature was a welcome addition to the debriefings than Miranda who was just so impersonal and cold.

I hope Jacob plays a role if he survives the suicide mission.  He is a genuinely good person, reliable soldier, and for my Shepard at least, a good friend.

[McBeath]

Getting back to the OP, I think that every single squadmate from ME2 will be able to return. I think that whole "they can die so won't be back except for a cameo" arguement is rubbish. Why? Well, for starters, Shepard can die. You'll just get a different Shepard. Now, how many of us will import that game?



Same goes for Squadmates, I think it's gonna be about us all making a "perfect" playthrough for ME3. Morinth/Samara showed us that they can just "swap" out a character for another one, with the only real changed being the dialog on normandy. Otherwise it's just a template character in combat scenes with repetitive command replies and other combat dialog. Even people like Chakwas got "screen time" on the Normandy, so it would be easy to have a potental 15 squadmates that you really only interact with on the Normandy, though perhaps not all of them depending on your choices. If you don't have them(due to death or loyalty) then it'll just be like playing AFTER the collecters base is destroyed. They're not there. Is it really that hard to just add Liara, Kaiden/Ashley? Other than that Wrex to me seems like a done deal with him leading the Krogan and all, plus how many Krogan do we need?



They'll all be there, plus an Alliance rep(depending on who's left) and Liara. If Liara is to return(which is based ONLY on fan love for her instead of actual plot usefulness) then the ME2 team will. I don't think we had a 20-30 hour playthrough which is almost all about recruitment and loyalty of a team just to start over for ME3. This would leave ME3 open for an epic plot full of action. Really, out of 15 possible characters(not to mention DLC, which may not return unless we love them) do we need more? I think not.



So ends the rant. Cheers.

[Pumpeho]

It wouldnt make sense to have another team building game unless its 100+ hours playtime. The focus on your squadmates is the game itself. Why use such a build up on anything but a Reaperfest?



All of the squadmates might not be there, but it would waste the sense of a trilogy if they just started over. Mordin and Thane will probably be included in a funeral DLC or something (unless that chain-letter you get is some form of clue for a cure for Thane).

[screwoffreg]

I don't think, I also hope, that there won't be a lot of recruitment in ME 3. I would imagine the transition to ME 3 from the second game will be pretty seamless, considering there will be game bridging DLC. That said, I think the squad mates that closely associate to the species you need as allies will be critical, as someone else pointed out. I also have a feeling the squad may split up towards the end, though. Will Shepard stand alone?

[Naltair]

I think the majority will be available I think some of the crew/team have reasons to not be available for the finale. Samara, Zaeed, and Mordin (as much as I love him) have god reasons to not be available based on their occupations and the fact that they have th least to gain from sticking around. As much as the Reaper threat is all consuming they have other responsibilities and needs and may trust that Shepard can handle it, but if he needs them they will aid him.



Probably less of a case for Zaeed.