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[eVelocity]

I tried it several times now, played that part several times but never got the renegade option to end the argument, even though I had full renegade meter.

Why is that? Sure I can tell Legion afterwards I lied to Tali and gain back his loyality - but I love Tali and don't want that to fall back on me somewhen. I believe it does have any negative effect on the relationship to Tali in ME 3.

My suspicions are that there is wether any past event that disables this option or boosting the renegade meter with Commando or Shocktrooper doesn't count as "real" renegade points.

Can anyone help me out?

[fateofman]

that argument is the opisite to the miranda/jack one, seems to be bugged, i only been able to do this one as paragon and jack.miranda as a renegade

[Daeion]

fateofman wrote...

that argument is the opisite to the miranda/jack one, seems to be bugged, i only been able to do this one as paragon and jack.miranda as a renegade

I've done the Jack/Miranda one 3 times as para now.

[fateofman]

Daeion wrote...

fateofman wrote...

that argument is the opisite to the miranda/jack one, seems to be bugged, i only been able to do this one as paragon and jack.miranda as a renegade

I've done the Jack/Miranda one 3 times as para now.

then you sir, are jesus

[MaaZeus]

I have a theory.



I think that even if your Renegade and Paragon meters are full, it doesnt mean that you have maxed out the points. I have a faint memory that when checking with savegame editor your points still keeps raising beyond max as you do the good/bad deeds.



If this is so, then its a slight overlook from Biowares part that causes confusion. But you could try using the savegame editor, give yourself an hefty amount of renegade points extra and see if the renegade option opens up. If not, then its definetly bugged.

[eVelocity]

Thx fateofman and Maazeus.

Modifié par eVelocity, 15 février 2010 - 02:44 .

[Valmy]

Daeion wrote...

fateofman wrote...

that argument is the opisite to the miranda/jack one, seems to be bugged, i only been able to do this one as paragon and jack.miranda as a renegade

I've done the Jack/Miranda one 3 times as para now.

Yeah I have never had a problem doing Jack/Miranda paragon.

[Cutlass Jack]

I had no problem with Paragon Jack/Miranda or Paragon Tali/Legion. But I suspect this may be less a bug, and more that some other factor at work that no one has figured out yet. (i.e. based on other choices you made...)



Much like Mordin's 'random' deaths not being a bug.

[stillnotking]

fateofman wrote...

that argument is the opisite to the miranda/jack one, seems to be bugged, i only been able to do this one as paragon and jack.miranda as a renegade

No, it's not bugged, it's just easier as Paragon.  The Jack/Miranda fight is easier as Renegade.

[eVelocity]

Where can I find a savegameeditor which can alter renegade points? I found one called "Gibbed's ..." but I can't how to alter renegade. I'd only like to give me some extra points to see if it's a lack of points or some event in the past which won't allow me to pick the renegade option.

[aeetos21]

Can't help you on the Tali/Legion fight - I always did it paragon. As for the Mianda/Jack controversy...so happy I made this video, keeps me from having to repeat myself constantly on the forums. This has to be the tenth time I've heard the the Miranda/Jack fight was a bug - sorry to dissapoint.

[Haasth]

I've always resolved the Jack/Miranda as paragon. Tali/Legion too, though I've sided with Tali a few times as well..



That said... What do they say in both occasions as renegade?

[xSolclaim]

hm done doth arguments with only 80% para or renagade, never a problem but my first go throguh when miran and jack were my first two loyal

[xSolclaim]

Shepard: look at you both of you this is exactly what the reapers want. Tali of course the geth are worried about your people you want to destroy them.

Tali: Yes I know but, 

Shepard: And legion are you trying to undermine this entire operation.

Legion: We did not intend to decrease operation efficentcy.
 
Shepard: Were on a mission you can either fight at my side or be crushed under my heel but you will Not stand in my way.





Quote/edit fail. but the point is there

Modifié par xSolclaim, 15 février 2010 - 03:14 .

[eVelocity]

Could it be the reason The renegade option isn't there is because my paragon level is too high?

[aeetos21]

I always saved the Tali/Legion fight for just before I hit the crew abduction scene, very endgame, and even though I played paragade I was still able to have enough points to keep them both loyal with a paragon option.



I'm in the middle of a pure renegade playthrough right now - basically everything renegade I can do I will do. See if that will do anything.

[xSolclaim]

^ i played Renagon and had enough for any option 80% para 100% renagade

[aeetos21]

^Did you do an ME1 import with that playthrough? The meters from the first game give you an enormous paragon/renegade bonus.

[MaaZeus]

eVelocity wrote...

Could it be the reason The renegade option isn't there is because my paragon level is too high?

I have hard time figuring that Bioware would program a thing like that to screw the charming system over...



In any case, if anyone wants to see the "Darth Shepards" renegade solution to Tali/Legion argument, here is a video.

[eVelocity]

aeetos21 wrote...

^Did you do an ME1 import with that playthrough? The meters from the first game give you an enormous paragon/renegade bonus.

Yep I did. As I've said I have a full renegade meter.

I've played the game as I wanted it and didn't try to avoid paragon points. Basically I was nice to my friends and bad to strangers or ****s and ended up with full renegade and slightly less than half paragon. And now I can't use the preferd option because I let too many paragon points happen? That bothers me a lot tbh

[eVelocity]

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Modifié par eVelocity, 15 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[MaaZeus]

eVelocity wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

^Did you do an ME1 import with that playthrough? The meters from the first game give you an enormous paragon/renegade bonus.

Yep I did. As I've said I have a full renegade meter.

I've played the game as I wanted it and didn't try to avoid paragon points. Basically I was nice to my friends and bad to strangers or ****s and ended up with full renegade and slightly less than half paragon. And now I can't use the preferd option because I let too many paragon points happen? That bothers me a lot tbh

You can side with Tali, and reason with Legion afterwards. Same thing with Miranda/Jack. Side on Miranda and you can later reason with Jack (on my second playthrough had to do this). Perhaps they work otherway around too, havent tried.

[xSolclaim]

MaaZeus wrote...

eVelocity wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

^Did you do an ME1 import with that playthrough? The meters from the first game give you an enormous paragon/renegade bonus.

Yep I did. As I've said I have a full renegade meter.

I've played the game as I wanted it and didn't try to avoid paragon points. Basically I was nice to my friends and bad to strangers or ****s and ended up with full renegade and slightly less than half paragon. And now I can't use the preferd option because I let too many paragon points happen? That bothers me a lot tbh

You can side with Tali, and reason with Legion afterwards. Same thing with Miranda/Jack. Side on Miranda and you can later reason with Jack (on my second playthrough had to do this). Perhaps they work otherway around too, havent tried.

never been able to if i side with one ive never had the other option come up even with 100%