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[addiction21]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

On the other hand - the first time I played I did let them die, but not because I hated them - because I didn't know that Sov could be killed either way.

This was my response the first time I got there (way back in january 2010. I know such a long time ago:) I thought that sovereign might be able to escape.

[Weskerr]

Humans completely taking over the council is a ticking time bomb. Of course other species will feel threatened by human dominance since their own populations have no representation in the galactic capital. Human interests are paramount to a human council while all other concerns are secondary. I also think that a multi species council has a better chance of unifying the galaxy against the Reapers.

[Habelo]

How do the spectre part help you in any way in ME2? i did not see it happen once :S



And i saved the council: now rest of the alien races seem to still think that humans are idiots and have a big artiaism(my now made up word, instead of racism!) against us.



Edit: just saw my huge grammar errors- sorry for that

[addiction21]

Weskerr wrote...

Humans completely taking over the council is a ticking time bomb.

Well if I have learned anything from books, video games, movies or television is that humans always win at the end and there is nothing better for the ME universe then to have us in charge

[Weskerr]

addiction21 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Humans completely taking over the council is a ticking time bomb.

Well if I have learned anything from books, video games, movies or television is that humans always win at the end and there is nothing better for the ME universe then to have us in charge

Haha. If ME follows that trend that you mentioned, then I'll be disappointed. Without taking into consideration how other stories handle this quesiton, however, it seems to me that in the long run, human control of the galaxy via the Citadel Council cannot last. The other races just won't stand for it, and they all still do have significant military power.

Modifié par Weskerr, 15 février 2010 - 07:26 .

[Kusy]

addiction21 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Humans completely taking over the council is a ticking time bomb.

Well if I have learned anything from books, video games, movies or television is that humans always win at the end and there is nothing better for the ME universe then to have us in charge

Yeah... let's hand the world to people like Udina and crush other species under our heel... this has nothing to do with "us" being in charge. "We" are never in charge. The moment you get the power and controll you are no longer "us", you are "they"...

It's about keeping the balance. There's not so much diffrence between other species thinking and our thinking, the problem is that if the council would be made from representants of one species - the others would feel discriminated and eventualy rebell. And actualy they would be right because it's sure that the one species government would care more about their own bussiness than interests of other species.

[addiction21]

Weskerr wrote...


Haha. If ME follows that trend that you mentioned, then I'll be disappointed. Without taking into consideration how other stories handle this quesiton, however, it seems to me that in the long run, human control of the galaxy via the Citadel Council cannot last. The other races just won't stand for it, and they all still do have significant military power.

Well it is the default ME2 new game story. All out galatic war would make for a good story falling the defeat of the reapers or whatever happens in ME3. A heavy Player vs Player MMO with everyone able to take sides in the coming galatic war maybe?

[Habelo]

No please, no mmo of Mass effect, all mmos have a monthly fee and all that have (beside wow) is bound to fail- fail hard.

[Braag]

Habelo wrote...

How do the spectre part help you in any way in ME2? i did not see it happen once :S

And i saved the council: now rest of the alien races seem to still think that humans are idiots and have a big artiaism(my now made up word, instead of racism!) against us.

Edit: just saw my huge grammar errors- sorry for that

In Thane's loyalty mission while interrigating that dude I told him and his lawyer that I'm a spectre and they both got scared and gave me the information I needed.


There was some side quest in Citadel where some volus accuses a quarian stealing his credit chit and you can do a paragon interuption after completing it and the C-sec officer threatens to run you in until finds out Shepard's a spectre...

You also get discout in one of the stores in Citadel if you're spectre,


All of this can be accomplished without the spectre status but it just makes things simpler

Modifié par Braag, 15 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[addiction21]

Habelo wrote...

No please, no mmo of Mass effect, all mmos have a monthly fee and all that have (beside wow) is bound to fail- fail hard.

UO (ulitma online) online did not fail hard. Everquest did not fail hard. Camelot did not fail hard. EVE online has not failed hard.
 I would rather someone attempt something then just throw their hands up and say "we give up we can never be as good as wow" In which case many just like you were saying before WoW ever launched said "Blizzard cannot not make a MMO they have never made one and they will fail hard when WoW comes out"
I like to believe that things can be done. Not give up before they are ever attempted.

Modifié par addiction21, 15 février 2010 - 08:22 .

[Habelo]

addiction21 wrote...

Habelo wrote...

No please, no mmo of Mass effect, all mmos have a monthly fee and all that have (beside wow) is bound to fail- fail hard.

UO (ulitma online) online did not fail hard. Everquest did not fail hard. Camelot did not fail hard. EVE online has not failed hard.
 I would rather someone attempt something then just throw their hands up and say "we give up we can never be as good as wow" In which case many just like you were saying before WoW ever launched said "Blizzard cannot not make a MMO they have never made one and they will fail hard when WoW comes out"
I like to believe that things can be done. Not give up before they are ever attempted.

Well but if they make an mmo they shouldnt start with a monthly fee, to few thinks monthly fees are worth it unless the mmo is actually massive.

But none wanna try a mmo without a monthly fee so they will all fail. They should spend their time making a decent game instead.

[addiction21]

Habelo wrote...


Well but if they make an mmo they shouldnt start with a monthly fee, to few thinks monthly fees are worth it unless the mmo is actually massive.

But none wanna try a mmo without a monthly fee so they will all fail. They should spend their time making a decent game instead.

Google "free mmo" your going to end up with pages of "free" MMO's. Also do you know what MMO stands for in in the context of that phrase? Again Google any words you do not understand.
Is ME2 or DAO a decent game in your opnion? Because BioWare has been part of making a MMO at the same time they have been devolping two excelent games.

Modifié par addiction21, 15 février 2010 - 08:42 .

[Redem0]

You know I have this funny image where you show Legion to the council along with pictures of the Reaper Armanda



"So do you believe me now about Sovereign!"

[Habelo]

addiction21 wrote...

Habelo wrote...


Well but if they make an mmo they shouldnt start with a monthly fee, to few thinks monthly fees are worth it unless the mmo is actually massive.

But none wanna try a mmo without a monthly fee so they will all fail. They should spend their time making a decent game instead.

Google "free mmo" your going to end up with pages of "free" MMO's. Also do you know what MMO stands in the context of that phrase? Again Google any words you do not understand.
Is ME2 or DAO a decent game in your opnion? Because BioWare has been part of making a MMO at the same time they have been devolping two excelent games.

And i suppose that kotor3 will be a free morpg? will it not have a monthly fee?

I do not actually know, but i consider myself owned if it doesnt.

[Doug84]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Also Udina is a Sith Lord in disguise

Disguise, my arse. He's practically crackling evilly and preparing a Vader suit as we speak

[Doug84]

double post

Modifié par Doug84, 15 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[Schneidend]

Saving them is always the proper choice if you are at all concerned with galactic stability, even if they are completely naive.

[addiction21]

Schneidend wrote...

Saving them is always the proper choice if you are at all concerned with galactic stability, even if they are completely naive.

Well for me the first time thru the "proper" choice was taking the oppurtunity to blow sovereign the **** up while he was a sitting duck. At that moment he was clearly the larger threat then your typical "dip**** can not see beyond my nose and wallet" politician.
After learning it really did not matter what I did then yes definatly saving them is the proper choice since it give more leverage on the political front.

[Schneidend]

addiction21 wrote...

Well for me the first time thru the "proper" choice was taking the oppurtunity to blow sovereign the **** up while he was a sitting duck. At that moment he was clearly the larger threat then your typical "dip**** can not see beyond my nose and wallet" politician.
After learning it really did not matter what I did then yes definatly saving them is the proper choice since it give more leverage on the political front.

Well, the larger threat can't always be given priority. If you throw everything you have at the largest enemy and then get flanked by its support units, you will still lose. I prefer to pick off a heavy unit's support and leave it far easier to outmaneuver.

[Urazz]

Personally, I felt there is no right choice in that when I first came upon it in my first playthrough but I tried to think of it in tactical terms and long term effects. I ultimately decided to save the council.



With saving the council, I ended up saving the Destiny Ascension because I thought the Geth would end up going after the fleet after they finished the Destiny Ascension and thus the fleet would get hammered double time if they engaged Soveriegn first. Soveriegn wasn't in a position to engage the fleet while they were fighting the geth with the arms in the way.



Not only that, but even though I thought the council was a bunch of idiots, I figured long term it would cause more unification amongst the species.

[Urazz]

Damn double post.

Modifié par Urazz, 15 février 2010 - 10:14 .

[Chuvvy]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Also Udina is a Sith Lord in disguise

No that's the pope.

[Tisiphne]

There isn't a *right* or *wrong* choice. You made a human-centric or non-human-centric choice. And beyond that, a tactical choice. Both councils end up stupid. At least the old council will see you in ME2. The humans won't even talk to you. I suppose that many people would consider xenophobia in a universe filled with races besides humans wrong. But others might disagree. Uldina was always an idiot. Anderson at least ensures you get Spectre status back.

Modifié par Tisiphne, 15 février 2010 - 11:05 .

[Habelo]

Tisiphne wrote...

There isn't a *right* or *wrong* choice. You made a human-centric or non-human-centric choice. And beyond that, a tactical choice. Both councils end up stupid. At least the old council will see you in ME2. The humans won't even talk to you. I suppose that many people would consider xenophobia in a universe filled with races besides humans wrong. But others might disagree. Uldina was always an idiot. Anderson at least ensures you get Spectre status back.

sounds like saving the council and then putting andersson in the seat seems the best choice.

More respect for shephard in the galaxy, the better afterall.

[newcomplex]

Killing them was the right choice. If the Reaper got through, it means the end of all sentient life. You will sacrifice a billion lives if it means preventing that. Ten thousand is a pittance.

This has nothing to do with human centric or not human centric.   I offed the council then reinstated a new, non-all human one.    This is a simple fact of the game saying that your going to a weaker frontal strike force if you open it too early.     Your going to want every last goddam advantage you can get against sovereign.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 15 février 2010 - 11:42 .