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[Barquiel]

I saved the council



- I think it's a poor tactical decision to ignore the geth fleet.

- I save 10000 lives

- I ensure political stability

[Haasth]

I see no real right or wrong with saving or sacrificing them. I have explored both - with a Paragon solution to it each time in the interview and such - and personally prefer keeping them around.

It would be easier to convince them that the Reapers are indeed a threat and having people around that you know, and they more or less owe you, seems like a good choice. That said the Destiny Ascension carried thousands of people on the ship and is worth saving for more than one reason. You sacrificed a lot of human lives to go for this.

On the other hand sacrificing the council creates a new opportunity, one that I personally do not think has a lot of advantages over keeping them around. You sacrificed the lives of everyone aboard the Destiny Ascension and will be reminded of this through the course of time... Humanity has gained more influence, a lot more.  

I do think that picking Udina is outright a bad choice. If he would perhaps have let you in on his sinister schemes (fine, he is not THAT sinister) as a renegade then sure... But even in that situation he despises you and wants nothing to do with you. You don't even gain a powerful ally out of this... You just gave a man, a man that wants things mostly for himself, a lot of power which he won't use to help you out with. 

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Only the short sighted would have let the Council get destroyed out of a fear that they couldn't defeat Sovreign, it also shows that you lack faith in your own abilities.

[Chief Savage Man]

Genuine respect and admiration is a more powerful stepping stone than seizing power after a tragedy.

[Haasth]

Chief Savage Man wrote...

Genuine respect and admiration is a more powerful stepping stone than seizing power after a tragedy.

I think I'd agree with this point. Pretty much the reason I prefer keeping them alive.

[Asheer_Khan]

Like i posted on ME 1 forum (same subject), on Destiny Ascension are not only Council and thousand of crew members but i am pretty sure couple thousand evacuated from citadel civilians (including Humans) since so letting that ship be destroyed just because of pure hatred toward THREE individuals could be easy considered as unncalled genocide.



I admit that dealing whit the Council after ME 2 can effect whit fellings of regret for letting them alive but what we need here is much bigger (aka incoming reapers fleet) picture and seriously ask yourself what credibility humanity will have after letting Ascension to be destroyed to ask other civilizations for help against reapers?

Would you ally whit someone who can back stab you when will see opportunity to benefit from such threachery?



I will be surprised if ME 3 will actually heavy punishing some renegade choices made in previous games (aka killing council or loosing squad members during final mission) because this series can b true milestone and show that sometimes being a jerk is not always right choice...

[Haasth]

Am I the only one who, after talking to the council in Mass Effect 2, did not feel regret for sparing them? They seemed a lot more personal and respectful than the other council that refuses to even face you. Another point as to why I prefer to keep them around.

[porky88]

Wolfehunter wrote...

Stick by the choices you make.. There is no right or wrong...

Yep. I let them die. I may regret that on my "main" playthrough, but it's the decision I made at the time.

[Habelo]

newcomplex wrote...

Killing them was the right choice. If the Reaper got through, it means the end of all sentient life. You will sacrifice a billion lives if it means preventing that. Ten thousand is a pittance.

This has nothing to do with human centric or not human centric.   I offed the council then reinstated a new, non-all human one.    This is a simple fact of the game saying that your going to a weaker frontal strike force if you open it too early.     Your going to want every last goddam advantage you can get against sovereign.   

Assuming you dont have the answers in hand.

However if you do then the perspective of right and wrong changes.

[Asheer_Khan]

Haasth wrote...

Am I the only one who, after talking to the council in Mass Effect 2, did not feel regret for sparing them? They seemed a lot more personal and respectful than the other council that refuses to even face you. Another point as to why I prefer to keep them around.

No i din't regret to let them alive (especially after Asari Counilor comes whit idea of reactivate my Spectre status), but i really hope that i would not be forced to created an alliance against them if theory of thier indoctrination will become grim reality.
And having again Spectre status ON will be lot easier for making contacts whit other Citadel races when time for true final battle will come.

Beside i much more preffer to deal whit them than tlet that power hungry moron Udina having anything to say in this matter.

[Joekababazae]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Am I the only one who, after talking to the council in Mass Effect 2, did not feel regret for sparing them? They seemed a lot more personal and respectful than the other council that refuses to even face you. Another point as to why I prefer to keep them around.

No i din't regret to let them alive (especially after Asari Counilor comes whit idea of reactivate my Spectre status), but i really hope that i would not be forced to created an alliance against them if theory of thier indoctrination will become grim reality.
And having again Spectre status ON will be lot easier for making contacts whit other Citadel races when time for true final battle will come.

Beside i much more preffer to deal whit them than tlet that power hungry moron Udina having anything to say in this matter.

In the ME2 having my Spectre status again didnt really seem to help that much..... only came up once or twice.

[nenri]

Whether new council made of humans and led by udina is irrelevant. You make your choice with the data you have, based on your own belief, at the time and the situation you are in. Not knowing what Bioware has in store for your decisions is what makes bioware games great (loved the ending of DAO) and I try not to reload a save just to decide on an important paragon/renegade decision.
Knowing what the outcomes are defeats the purpose of the dilemma. Standing up for your choice is what makes it a moral one.
I left the Destiny Ascension to burn. Admiral Hackett had to fight at my side and walk into the fire. Against the reaper threat, only trust allies.
Or as my Shepard said to two of his squadmates having a tantrum : You can either fight at my side or get crushed under my heel.
^___^

Modifié par nenri, 16 février 2010 - 12:36 .

[Esker02]

I find the Udina hate strange and kind of ... impulsive? Maybe that's the best word for it. He's a politician, there's nothing wrong with that necessarily; it's just his job to look at the big picture the best he can. Although a Renegade ME1 ending with Udina as basically the Emperor is among my favorites for how the final dialogue plays out, generally I save the council and appoint him - Anderson is out of his league in such a position, and he even expresses gratitude at being overlooked for it.



"Better him than me."

[DuffyMJ]

what happens if its all human council with anderson in charge? do you get spectre status?

[DarkNova50]

The right choice was obviously to throw the entire Alliance fleet recklessly at the Geth Armada, sacrificing valuable firepower that could have been used against Sovereign to save a single, already virtually crippled, dreadnaught. In a world with consequences, this would have increased the likelihood that what remained of the Human forces would be ripped to shreds before they were able to take down Sovereign, seeing as the other allied fleets were already in shambles.



But the galaxy just can't go on without a trio of arrogant politicians.



Obviously.



(Note: I always save the Council myself...I just wish that it was more than a 'selfless hero' or 'selfish ******' kind of decision.)

[Spectre_Shepard]

there is no right or wrong choice.



just your choice

[Northern Sun]

I'd suggest saving them, if only for the hope that you'll eventually be able to kill the turian councilor yourself.

[enormousmoonboots]

I like to save them, because the replacement councils (all-human or multi-alien) are even bigger dicks and refuse to even see you. And I really felt like a jerk the time I gave the 'concentrate on Sovereign' order; Garrus's 'I hope you know what you're doing, human' was pretty vicious and hearing that asari pilot's hopes get completely crushed ('it's the Alliance! We're saved! ...wh--why aren't they coming?' and the copilot just shakes her head and shuts the comm off) felt bad, man.



And in a metagaming way, you simply get more content, much like most of the other Paragon decisions.

[Esker02]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

and hearing that asari pilot's hopes get completely crushed ('it's the Alliance! We're saved! ...wh--why aren't they coming?' and the copilot just shakes her head and shuts the comm off) felt bad, man.

Although I by no means believe sacrificing the Council was the correct choice, I actually lol at this scene. Something about the look on her face is priceless.

[OfTheFaintSmile]

I friggin killed them dead and their dumb ship too, very gratifying. I laughed when those 2 asari pilots on the ascension realized humans just pwned them

[Spazticus]

OfTheFaintSmile wrote...

I friggin killed them dead and their dumb ship too, very gratifying. I laughed when those 2 asari pilots on the ascension realized humans just pwned them

How nice for you. Did you follow up gleefully letting over ten thousand die by kicking some puppies?

[timedrake32]

I save the Council I thought it was a bad choice to let them died humans all ready look like hard ass and only care about them selves

[addiction21]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Only the short sighted would have let the Council get destroyed out of a fear that they couldn't defeat Sovreign, it also shows that you lack faith in your own abilities.

Hind sight is 20/20

It was a battlefield choice.

A. Keep your reserves (the only fresh and unharmed troops left) safe to make the killing blow against a machine that is attempting to destroy all life in the galaxy or
B. Throw much needed firepower against the geth fleet in hope of saving a crippled ship that is so damaged it cannot act in the battle. Sacrificing time and troops allowing the galaxy ending machine more time to complete its goals or escape.

Sure later you find out you can do both but it is neither short sighted or lacking faith in ones own abilities. Its not short sighted because your sacrificing a few lives to save a galaxy full of life and it is not lacking faith in ones own abilities because other then making that call you have no real say or role in what happens out there in space.
It is not your abilities as a foot solider on the ground that will decide what happens in space. Well untill you actualy finish the game and find out that it does.

So like I said hindsight is 20/20

[Esker02]

OfTheFaintSmile wrote...

I friggin killed them dead and their dumb ship too, very gratifying. I laughed when those 2 asari pilots on the ascension realized humans just pwned them

I would be right there with you if it were just the Asari on board, but I respect the Turians and Salarians too much. Honestly, what purpose do the Asari serve? The Salarians do all of the espionage and scientific research, the Turians are the enforcers of galactic peace, but what role exactly do the Asari have? Being nice?

This might be a bit off topic (though not entirely, because it technically deals with the Council's worth) but I'd like to be educated on this subject, actually, because I can't help but feel if they hadn't found it first, the Volus would be higher on the list of candidates for a seat on the Council than they are.

[Sainthood82]

PingoBlack wrote...

Human council causes turians to arm up like nuts, starting a neat little cold war with humans ...

I prefer idiot turian councilor to that ... Sad but true.

Because having a massive standing army with large supply surplus as an infinite army of space robots that excel in eredicating all life apporaches is a bad thing.

I am baffled by the logic.


But seriously let the council die, let every council die.  They are all stupid.  Give power to the players and military leaders so we can all blow everything up and save the day and *blah blah rant rant*