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[Viktarion]

 There is plenty of strong gear in DAO even without DLCs.

Wade dragonbone plate armor is still strongest in game with corruption its even more awsome 75% resistance to both fire and spirit + it looks nice as a set.

As for weapons theres the keening blade and imperial sword which are both very powerfull and cool looking weapons (in my opinion shining weapons like starfang and maric sword are worse looking then dwin sword on which they are based upon)

Anyway i doubt anyone will start naked even if you were foolish enough to throw away juggernaut and wade set (which will be usefull even later in expansion  thx to resistances).

Calians gear is already worn by Allister , as it should be since he is the logical inheritor even if you dont have RTO and i am positive there will be some sort of Grey warden special weapons and armor since you are the commander and all, and order is being rebuilt in Ferelden.

[Kalledon]

Aside from the fact that we paid BioWare to have the items in our game. A lot of people use the DLC equipment for their characters. Just because you find Wade's Dargonbone and Juggernaught better then Cailan's or Warden Commander doesn't mean others won't. Not to mention people might have playthroughs where they weren't using those armors because they used the DLC and got rid of it. So even if they didn't have a problem with switching to non DLC armor, they can't.

[Viktarion]

I think that they aint implementing DLC gear because its hard and messy to do, and its better to divert developement resources such as time and money to other aspects of expansion.



Think of it like this.If they spend time and money inplementing DLC items then they maybe wont be able to make new armor models and weapons and your gonna have to stick to them old models for all of the expansion.

[Volourn]

"There is plenty of strong gear in DAO even without DLCs"



It should be obvious why. If I get x item from DLC which is better than y item from normalm game then I'm gonna sell y item. Why I should Ikeep every piece of equipment I find? That's silly talk.



"I think that they aint implementing DLC gear because its hard and messy to do, and its better to divert developement resources such as time and money to other aspects of expansion."



Come on. These are items. Items in the toolset probably arne't super ahrd to make. I know why they're doing it - it's because not everyone has a version of DA with all the DLC so this is the easiest path of less resistance. Kinda sucks.



In a way, this might force me to replay the game with my chaarcters and just sell the DLC items and keep normal items because DLC items are now worthless long term. Bleh.

[Arbiter Libera]

Yes, you paid for them... I don't see any mention that BioWare is taking them from you so you can't use them in DA:O. Awakening is a whole different matter. And, as it has been mentioned NUMEROUS times around, you'll get BETTER gear in Awakening because you'll have to get better gear given that it also raises the level cap.

[Bfler]

Viktarion wrote...

Think of it like this.If they spend time and money inplementing DLC items then they maybe wont be able to make new armor models and weapons and your gonna have to stick to them old models for all of the expansion.

Where is the time consuming difference between Origins armor and DLC armor?

[lisakover]

There is no time consuming difference, people are licking Bioware's boots and making excuses for them. We paid for this DLC we deserve it.

[Bfler]

Arbiter Libera wrote...
And, as it has been mentioned NUMEROUS times around, you'll get BETTER gear in Awakening because you'll have to get better gear given that it also raises the level cap.

Most of the DLC items are scalable when you sell them to a merchant

[lisakover]

And as many people have said a lot of the items have sentimental value, such as Starfang a one of a kind sword forged for your hand alone.

[aries1001]

I think one of the reasons might be that people have paid for some of the DLC content (or all of it). And now, they feel that they can't use it anymore, e.g. in the expansion, which to me sounds rather like an add-on, than an add-in. (As you can't export your character back into Dragon Age: Origins).

[fanman72]

Yes there will be more powerful items in awakenings, but at least for the initial stages of the game we'd want to use our DLC equipment, for no other reason than it has a cool design

[kyles3]

if this new gear is so great, why don't they just get rid of all of our DA:O equipment? why is it that the only non-transferable items are the ones we paid for?

Modifié par kyles3, 15 février 2010 - 08:00 .

[Kimarous]

"Why is no-dlc gear in expansion policy a problem?"

Because I'm worried that I'll start the new campaign weaponless and half-naked!

Lacking DLC is bearable, but I hope that our characters are suitably compensated with "equivalent" gear.

Modifié par Kimarous, 15 février 2010 - 08:15 .

[Maedryc]

Arbiter Libera wrote...

Yes, you paid for them... I don't see any mention that BioWare is taking them from you so you can't use them in DA:O. Awakening is a whole different matter. And, as it has been mentioned NUMEROUS times around, you'll get BETTER gear in Awakening because you'll have to get better gear given that it also raises the level cap.

Let's see.
1st: DAA is an expansion, it's not a new game, since it requires DAO. So, I expect to be able to use any DLC I paid for in the game. So an argument like "they were meant for Origins" doesn't hold much water for me.
2nd: It makes a DLC like RtO, whose only appeal was the loot you got after 35 minutes of grinding, worthless. Aside from the fact that the fact that I wouldn't have bought RtO, had I known beforehand that I couldn't import the extra content in Awakening.
3rd: Who cares if I'll eventually gain better items? I paid for the items in RtO and WK. Giving me the chance to acquire better items doesn't make up for the fact that they're arbitrarily removing a bunch of items that I spent real money or time acquiring in the first place.
4th: I happen to like the skin of Cailan's Armor and Warden Commander Armor. Are you 100% positive that they'll give me a couple of armors with the same exact skins? Unless you're a developer in disguise, I must assume that the answer is "no".
5th:  It makes no sense from an in-game perspective. What happened? Why did my character lose the items without a word of explanation? Why did he lose Maric's sword, since he went back to Ostagar to retrieve it in the first place?
6th: It makes no sense from an IRL perspective. I'm allowed to keep each and every item, except for those that I spent extra money on? 
7th: The fact that an official expansion and the official DLCs are incompatible with each other is just appalling.
Is it enough for you? 

Modifié par Maedryc, 15 février 2010 - 08:15 .

[bluecuban]

I think one of the biggest complaints is just that people enjoy having their character looked stylish. For instance, I went the entire game wearing the Blood Dragon Armor because I loved the look. Others loved the look Cailan's Armor, and then there are those who loved having Duncan's sword and dagger for the nostalgia of having his weapons.

[SDNcN]

Kimarous wrote...

"Why is no-dlc gear in expansion policy a problem?"

Because I'm worried that I'll start the new campaign weaponless and half-naked!

And then Zevran Arainai strikes . . .

[Gustav_Bloodclaw]

Maedryc wrote...

Arbiter Libera wrote...

Yes, you paid for them... I don't see any mention that BioWare is taking them from you so you can't use them in DA:O. Awakening is a whole different matter. And, as it has been mentioned NUMEROUS times around, you'll get BETTER gear in Awakening because you'll have to get better gear given that it also raises the level cap.

Let's see.
1st: DAA is an expansion, it's not a new game, since it requires DAO. So, I expect to be able to use any DLC I paid for in the game. So an argument like "they were meant for Origins" doesn't hold much water for me.
2nd: It makes a DLC like RtO, whose only appeal was the loot you got after 35 minutes of grinding, worthless. Aside from the fact that the fact that I wouldn't have bought RtO, had I known beforehand that I couldn't import the extra content in Awakening.
3rd: Who cares if I'll eventually gain better items? I paid for the items in RtO and WK. Giving me the chance to acquire better items doesn't make up for the fact that they're arbitrarily removing a bunch of items that I spent real money or time acquiring in the first place.
4th: I happen to like the skin of Cailan's Armor and Warden Commander Armor. Are you 100% positive that they'll give me a couple of armors with the same exact skins? Unless you're a developer in disguise, I must assume that the answer is "no".
5th:  It makes no sense from an in-game perspective. What happened? Why did my character lose the items without a word of explanation? Why did he lose Maric's sword, since he went back to Ostagar to retrieve it in the first place?
6th: It makes no sense from an IRL perspective. I'm allowed to keep each and every item, except for those that I spent extra money on? 
7th: The fact that an official expansion and the official DLCs are incompatible with each other is just appalling.
Is it enough for you? 

Maedryc you nailed it on the head with your second point. People like myself who were about to buy Return to Ostagar and give DA:O another playthrough prior to Awakening will no longer be doing so. So in addition to aggrivating a large number of their customer base they will also loose money with fewer purchases of RTO.
Which should be reason enough to make sure the DLC is in the game.

[Wishpig]

At first I was worried about this, and kind of upset... I mean... my playthroughs always end with someone wearing Warden Commander's armor and Blood Dragon armor. But the more I think about it, the more I release how small of an issue this really is. To me it's one of those things you blow outta proportions.... and once you actually start playing the game... care very little about.

But maybe I would think diffrent if I had wasted money on RtO.

Modifié par Wishpig, 15 février 2010 - 08:35 .

[Kalledon]

How is adding the items in a messy coding? The armor is already coded. They just don't want to take the time to include the files in the Awakening code. It's not like Awakening runs on some different engine and they have to redevelop the items. All they have to do is copy the files the control the items and setup a flag to detect for downloaded DLC. OMG that's so messy.

[u8mypizza27]

we should be able to keep our dlc items mainly cause we bought them and should have the option of importing it into da:a, second starfang is one of the best swords in the game and should not be left behind and people who don't know you bring the dragon/drake scales to wade for the plate and armor use the blood dragon plate as an easy substitute, if they were going to let you import you character with your items they should of been prepared to have dlc items imported into the expansion and they have enough money and time to seeing how most of the games bioware makes get rpg or game of the year.

[Wishpig]

Kalledon wrote...

How is adding the items in a messy coding? The armor is already coded. They just don't want to take the time to include the files in the Awakening code. It's not like Awakening runs on some different engine and they have to redevelop the items. All they have to do is copy the files the control the items and setup a flag to detect for downloaded DLC. OMG that's so messy.

The DLC content was designed to be highly protected agianst modders, so that they couldn't simply recreate the items found within them. This could very well be the cause of the lack of DLC.

It's safe to assume there is reasoning behind their decision.

[Noviere]

It's pretty frustrating.

Modifié par Noviere, 15 février 2010 - 08:51 .

[lisakover]

Wishpig wrote...

Kalledon wrote...

How is adding the items in a messy coding? The armor is already coded. They just don't want to take the time to include the files in the Awakening code. It's not like Awakening runs on some different engine and they have to redevelop the items. All they have to do is copy the files the control the items and setup a flag to detect for downloaded DLC. OMG that's so messy.

The DLC content was designed to be highly protected agianst modders, so that they couldn't simply recreate the items found within them. This could very well be the cause of the lack of DLC.

It's safe to assume there is reasoning behind their decision.

Yet on the PC you can download most of the DLC free and legally and theres a mod with recreations of every single item.

[Maedryc]

Wishpig wrote...

At first I was worried about this, and kind of upset... I mean... my playthroughs always end with someone wearing Warden Commander's armor and Blood Dragon armor. But the more I think about it, the more I release how small of an issue this really is. To me it's one of those things you blow outta proportions.... and once you actually start playing the game... care very little about.

But maybe I would think diffrent if I had wasted money on RtO.

For me it's more a matter of principle, actually. That's why I'll still feel cheated even when I'm decked in t15 stardragonbone armor. See, I kept my Quel' Serrar and my breastplate of Wrath in my bank until I froze my WoW account last summer. I value the items I've acquired, especially if they have a nice skin or are somehow connected to a quest/plot (or, in the case of my Breastplate of Wrath, when they have some kind of sentimental value).
The fact that I've paid for these particular items only rubs more salt on the wound.
Paradoxically, I'd feel far less ripped off had they removed all of my items, because at least it would have made sense.
Furthermore, I'm kind of sad, because I went on and bought RtO out of my trust for Bioware, despite the metric load of "it isn't worth it" threads cluttering the forum, and now I get an "ha ha! You're not going to use the items you specifically paid for in the official expansion 'cause we said so!" as a reward, ensuring that I'll never buy a DLC from Bioware ever again.