Maedryc nailed it on all points. Fortunately for PC players the mod community will eventually pull Bioware's head out of its butt on this one and we'll get them back. Unfortunately, that will probably take some time.
If the items are gone then they are seriously screwing the players who bought the DLC out of their time and money. And if not, if they give the characters "equivalent" items when they import into Awakenings, that begs the question: Why would it be easier to include those "equivalent" items than the DLC items?
Why is no-dlc gear in expansion policy a problem?
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#27
Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:00
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I didn't buy any DLC, so I couldn't care less. But I understand why someone who spent 5$ just to get Cailan's ****ty armor that he can't even use for the expansion would be pissed.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:01
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arownby wrote...
Maedryc nailed it on all points. Fortunately for PC players the mod community will eventually pull Bioware's head out of its butt on this one and we'll get them back. Unfortunately, that will probably take some time.
If the items are gone then they are seriously screwing the players who bought the DLC out of their time and money. And if not, if they give the characters "equivalent" items when they import into Awakenings, that begs the question: Why would it be easier to include those "equivalent" items than the DLC items?
Pointless question since they aren't and won't.
#29
Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:29
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While I have no doubt that there will obviously be newer, and better armor/weapons (hopefully some new models and not the same rehash), it does disheartens me that the items I have paid for, do not transfer over. I paid for DA:O and supposedly all the stuff I have in my inventory from that will go over. What makes the DLC's different? Are they not part of DA:O? I just question whether this was always planned. Whether they KNEW that this stuff would be of no use past Origins. I must admit, that while the story aspect of RtO was something I wanted, the main reason I bought it was for Cailen's Armor and Duncan's Sword. My first character for Awakening was to be my Human Noble who married Anora. I wanted him to start with the King's armor obviously. And now, unless he starts with that based on being married to Anora, I think I'm going to get cheated. I guess I just don't get what's the difference between the weapon/armor already in DA:O and the DLC stuff. The DLC was marketed as being PART of DA:O, so treat it like it is.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:46
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meh those crybabies are forgetting that when they hit lvl 35 they have better armor anyway... but that doesn't go into their thick skull. Besides the DLC isn't for the items it is for the gameplay/story mostly
#32
Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:51
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Yes, I will miss my starfang and warden armor and yes I can do without it. My worry is what happens to all the characters we had that is wearing mostly dlc gear. Will they export with all empty slots? Will new gear be given in inventory to replace what we lost?
Many here say you'll find better in a short time but running around with nothing will make things a bit difficult. We don't know and neither do you until Bioware is cleared to say something.
Many here say you'll find better in a short time but running around with nothing will make things a bit difficult. We don't know and neither do you until Bioware is cleared to say something.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:51
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right, because items have no impact whatsoever on gameplayVuokseniska wrote...
meh those crybabies are forgetting that when they hit lvl 35 they have better armor anyway... but that doesn't go into their thick skull. Besides the DLC isn't for the items it is for the gameplay/story mostly
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:51
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Vuokseniska wrote...
meh those crybabies are forgetting that when they hit lvl 35 they have better armor anyway... but that doesn't go into their thick skull. Besides the DLC isn't for the items it is for the gameplay/story mostly
..YEAH! MORE ! POWERFUL ! LOOT!
WE! DON'T ! GIVE ! A ! CRAP ! IF! IT'S! MORE! POWERFUL!
Got it already? Seriously. Are you dense or what?
#35
Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:55
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Well since your character starts as a Warden Commander, we would conceivably start with a similar, if not identical set as to which was in Origins. Maybe it will look like the armor in the Sacred Ashes trailer, then we console players can finally experience the bliss you PC users have lol
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 09:58
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Vuokseniska wrote...
meh those crybabies are forgetting that when they hit lvl 35 they have better armor anyway... but that doesn't go into their thick skull. Besides the DLC isn't for the items it is for the gameplay/story mostly
Exactly. Because the DLC's have SOOOOO much meaningful story to them. <_<
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:00
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Meh, I also didn't buy the DLC, so I'm cool, but now there is no doubt - I ain't buyin no DLC now.
Still as KnightofPhoenix said, I can understand why someone who had paid for content would be pissed. It's annoying how people are calling them crybabies. Maybe YOU may not care that you cannot use what you paid for, but to the average hard worker, it matters.
Still as KnightofPhoenix said, I can understand why someone who had paid for content would be pissed. It's annoying how people are calling them crybabies. Maybe YOU may not care that you cannot use what you paid for, but to the average hard worker, it matters.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:00
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Sorry, Double post.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:19
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As response to the initial question, the main reason I bought RtO, in spite of it being so short, was that I wanted Duncan and Maric's weapons for the expansion. Since I've never heard of an expansion that excluded official DLC items, I had every reason to believe I would be able to use them.
Secondly, Wade's Dragonbone Plate, the strongest in game? Please, I sell that crap off as soon as I get it, if I bother to get it at all. Cailan's, Warden Commander, Dead Legion, Blood Dragon, and Juggernaut are all better than Wade's. Fire resistance is not that important.
Secondly, Wade's Dragonbone Plate, the strongest in game? Please, I sell that crap off as soon as I get it, if I bother to get it at all. Cailan's, Warden Commander, Dead Legion, Blood Dragon, and Juggernaut are all better than Wade's. Fire resistance is not that important.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:25
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1. I paid for these extra items, either with time, money, or a combination of the two. The DLC released thus far has been quite overpriced and the only reason that I've purchased it is because I want to support BioWare. Taking these DLC items away makes the content seem even more overpriced. I'm not so sure that I want to keep supporting BioWare through DLC.
2. From a story perspective, it doesn't make any sense. Why would my character not keep Starfang, a sword that was crafted specifically for him with metal from a meteor? Why would my character not keep the Warden Commander's Armor when he's a Warden Commander? Honestly, why would he throw away any of his gear unless he had something better? It's entirely silly.
3. All of my end-game characters have DLC items equipped. If these items don't transfer, what will my character do? Will he simply be missing items? Will new items magically appear during the import process? Both of these solutions are poor.
In the first case, the beginning of the expansion will be harder than intended. My first character (2H Warrior), I'll have virtually no equipment to start.
In the second case, the story becomes even less logical. Not only did my character throw away perfectly good equipment, but now he magically has new equipment. Is it better than his old stuff? If so, where the hell did he get it?! Or is it worse than his old stuff? In that case, why did he get rid of the old stuff?
4. There is no easy way to take an end-game character with DLC items and go back to obtain non-DLC items. You'd have to load an old save, track down all of the gear that you sold, and then replay the entire end of the game again. That's ridiculous.
2. From a story perspective, it doesn't make any sense. Why would my character not keep Starfang, a sword that was crafted specifically for him with metal from a meteor? Why would my character not keep the Warden Commander's Armor when he's a Warden Commander? Honestly, why would he throw away any of his gear unless he had something better? It's entirely silly.
3. All of my end-game characters have DLC items equipped. If these items don't transfer, what will my character do? Will he simply be missing items? Will new items magically appear during the import process? Both of these solutions are poor.
In the first case, the beginning of the expansion will be harder than intended. My first character (2H Warrior), I'll have virtually no equipment to start.
In the second case, the story becomes even less logical. Not only did my character throw away perfectly good equipment, but now he magically has new equipment. Is it better than his old stuff? If so, where the hell did he get it?! Or is it worse than his old stuff? In that case, why did he get rid of the old stuff?
4. There is no easy way to take an end-game character with DLC items and go back to obtain non-DLC items. You'd have to load an old save, track down all of the gear that you sold, and then replay the entire end of the game again. That's ridiculous.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:26
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Well I have to say this being an RPG I have given my characters a personality as much as possible within the confines of the games and my ability to do so. With that being said, I know one of my Characters was elated to find a full suit of Wardens Commander Armor. This is of course from a purely RP stand point
Now onto my real life stand point, when I purchased DA:O as everyone else we were told that expansion would be compatible with the orginal game, so purchasing the DLC's all of them was to me building up for my expansions coming later. What I am being told now that the money that I spent on DLC I could have took and thrown into a fireplace, did I enjoy doing the DLC yes, is there any forward value on my money... sadly no. So with Awakenings we no longer have acces to Shale, we no longer have access to any of the items we use from DLC content.
I rather enjoyed the different skins for the armor and the weapons the DLC provided, as I have said in the past most gamers enjoy a diffrent look for no magical items let me see the diffrence in the craftsmanship of the world. Is it necessary, but it would be a really nice luxury.
Now onto my real life stand point, when I purchased DA:O as everyone else we were told that expansion would be compatible with the orginal game, so purchasing the DLC's all of them was to me building up for my expansions coming later. What I am being told now that the money that I spent on DLC I could have took and thrown into a fireplace, did I enjoy doing the DLC yes, is there any forward value on my money... sadly no. So with Awakenings we no longer have acces to Shale, we no longer have access to any of the items we use from DLC content.
I rather enjoyed the different skins for the armor and the weapons the DLC provided, as I have said in the past most gamers enjoy a diffrent look for no magical items let me see the diffrence in the craftsmanship of the world. Is it necessary, but it would be a really nice luxury.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:36
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if the reason they coded DLC item diferent is people without DLC obtaining them then its really epic fail since DLCs were pirated on day one of their release...
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:52
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4. There is no easy way to take an end-game character with DLC items and go back to obtain non-DLC items. You'd have to load an old save, track down all of the gear that you sold, and then replay the entire end of the game again. That's ridiculous.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:52
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Although I'm not raging like many, I am annoyed that I'll lose my DLC items, and won't get RTO when it finally becomes avilable on PS3. Since there's a constant spew of people goin "u dun bai 4 d items eh-hewr-hew" I'm going to elaborate as someone who has bought DLC on why I think it's causing such a stir.
Contrary to a number of people's comments, I didn't get the DLC for the "power" of the items, but the items and such were a large factor.
For those of you who have not bought the DLC, allow me to sum up why this is.
Warden's keep for example, lasts 20 minutes if you're slow/die to the minibosses.
The place has about 4 or 5 codex entries, a few lines of dialogue from 3 characters and 3 flashbacks.
For about five pounds ninety-seven, this is a tiny amount of content; DLC is premium priced in comparison to full games.
The prime items in warden's keep however, look fantastic and can last you the game.
My arcane warrior wore the warden's commander armour from the moment he got it right to the end because it LOOKED GOOD. (admittedly near late game; I bought warden's keep about 60% of the way through)
Nice models are scarce, likewise with starfang, I swapped the arcane warrior main hand sword out for it even though it's worse in terms of stat allocation because the model looks nice.
Now, I would have liked those four items in specific for awakening because of the LOOKS, and would be willing to keep wearing them when better items cropped up because I loved that armour skin in particular, with my elf's visage I actually loved seeing him in his cutscene slaying the archdemon, which says a lot for me as all too often in RPG'S I'm less fond of my character's look than the designed ones.
The items in DLC are the large part of why they sell, because they last outside of that 20 minutes, if they weren't there would not be emphasis on this on the online marketplace description and they wouldn't bother putting the items in.
There is not a "great deal of story" in DLC, and as a console player I cannot use mods to re-obtain these skins, this is why a great number of people are angry, and I'm sure those people consider awakening to still be origins per say, hence the expectancy to be able to keep using these items with their beloved character.
Contrary to a number of people's comments, I didn't get the DLC for the "power" of the items, but the items and such were a large factor.
For those of you who have not bought the DLC, allow me to sum up why this is.
Warden's keep for example, lasts 20 minutes if you're slow/die to the minibosses.
The place has about 4 or 5 codex entries, a few lines of dialogue from 3 characters and 3 flashbacks.
For about five pounds ninety-seven, this is a tiny amount of content; DLC is premium priced in comparison to full games.
The prime items in warden's keep however, look fantastic and can last you the game.
My arcane warrior wore the warden's commander armour from the moment he got it right to the end because it LOOKED GOOD. (admittedly near late game; I bought warden's keep about 60% of the way through)
Nice models are scarce, likewise with starfang, I swapped the arcane warrior main hand sword out for it even though it's worse in terms of stat allocation because the model looks nice.
Now, I would have liked those four items in specific for awakening because of the LOOKS, and would be willing to keep wearing them when better items cropped up because I loved that armour skin in particular, with my elf's visage I actually loved seeing him in his cutscene slaying the archdemon, which says a lot for me as all too often in RPG'S I'm less fond of my character's look than the designed ones.
The items in DLC are the large part of why they sell, because they last outside of that 20 minutes, if they weren't there would not be emphasis on this on the online marketplace description and they wouldn't bother putting the items in.
There is not a "great deal of story" in DLC, and as a console player I cannot use mods to re-obtain these skins, this is why a great number of people are angry, and I'm sure those people consider awakening to still be origins per say, hence the expectancy to be able to keep using these items with their beloved character.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 11:01
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People make to much of a deal. I highly doubt they will make you naked. I think they should give the value(that it would be bought for after you sold it) and then you can buy other armor that is just as good or better.
#46
Posté 15 février 2010 - 11:03
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Every one of my characters has at least one DLC item equipped. I sold off most of my unused equipment so that I could purchase premium items at the regular merchants, so it isn't as simple as just grabbing that stuff out of my chest or even reloading an earlier save and repurchasing it.
Yes, yes, by the end of Awakenings we'll have better items, but that does not make it more palatable to start the expansion naked and weaponless. I took the time to find the optimal mix of equipment for each character. I could cobble together something acceptable from what was on my NPC's that would work, but it's pretty frustrating. The line from Bioware about those items not being intended for the expansion- EXPANSION, not entirely new game, it loony. The files are all there. I got the DLCs for the story elements but I certainly wouldn't have kept those items if I'd known they wouldn't carry over.
And before anyone brings up the mods again, a large chunk of the customers are on consoles. I know the PC gamers have a superiority complex in progress, but a gaming PC isn't in my budget. I paid the exact same amount for less game already. I'm glad the PC gamers have a solution. That won't help my rogue who will, apparently, be starting Awakenings wearing nothing but some jewelry and attacking with the memory of his sword because Bioware can import items created by community modders but not items they created.
I love Bioware. I have loved all of their games and I will buy this expansion. I won't scream about my love interest not transferring etc. before I've played the game. I get that voice acting is pricey. Springing the no DLC items on us now is a really stupid move and I don't buy that it would be some huge programming issue.
Yes, yes, by the end of Awakenings we'll have better items, but that does not make it more palatable to start the expansion naked and weaponless. I took the time to find the optimal mix of equipment for each character. I could cobble together something acceptable from what was on my NPC's that would work, but it's pretty frustrating. The line from Bioware about those items not being intended for the expansion- EXPANSION, not entirely new game, it loony. The files are all there. I got the DLCs for the story elements but I certainly wouldn't have kept those items if I'd known they wouldn't carry over.
And before anyone brings up the mods again, a large chunk of the customers are on consoles. I know the PC gamers have a superiority complex in progress, but a gaming PC isn't in my budget. I paid the exact same amount for less game already. I'm glad the PC gamers have a solution. That won't help my rogue who will, apparently, be starting Awakenings wearing nothing but some jewelry and attacking with the memory of his sword because Bioware can import items created by community modders but not items they created.
I love Bioware. I have loved all of their games and I will buy this expansion. I won't scream about my love interest not transferring etc. before I've played the game. I get that voice acting is pricey. Springing the no DLC items on us now is a really stupid move and I don't buy that it would be some huge programming issue.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 11:21
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Jshay512 wrote...
People make to much of a deal. I highly doubt they will make you naked. I think they should give the value(that it would be bought for after you sold it) and then you can buy other armor that is just as good or better.
This would be better than just giving everyone some "new" stuff but it is still a terrible fix.
What I'm curious about is what about the other stuff that we have?
Lets assume for a moment they give us all some "NEW" stuff to make up for the disapearing DLC, how would they do handle this?
Say I decide to have my end-game character decked out in the "Effort" suit of armour. When he gets transfered to the new Awakening expansion. will he still have his "Effort" gear or will he have the new gear that DLC wearers would have? Or would he have both the "Effort" equiped and the new gear in has backpack?????
How would this work?
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 11:39
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I'm a loot ****, and it doesn't bother me. Sure, I wont have a good helmet, but I'll manage. I'll just figure that my Helm of Honnleath was lost in the final battle.
I can understand why some are upset. They feel that they paid for items by buying the DLC. They aren't satisfied with the story of them. I don't feel that way, but it's obvious that some do and that is why they are upset.
I can understand why some are upset. They feel that they paid for items by buying the DLC. They aren't satisfied with the story of them. I don't feel that way, but it's obvious that some do and that is why they are upset.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 11:42
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FieryDove wrote...
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4. There is no easy way to take an end-game character with DLC items and go back to obtain non-DLC items. You'd have to load an old save, track down all of the gear that you sold, and then replay the entire end of the game again. That's ridiculous.
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Yes, you CAN go back and get non-DLC items. You can go back to your camp and to Warden's Keep in the epilogue save. You will be able to at least purchase mundane Dragonbone plate, or maybe take some off of your NPCs (since they wont be coming with you).
No, it might not be ideal since you wont have the "best of the rest" items, but it is something that you can do if there is no better option so you're not naked.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 11:51
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Cuthlan wrote...
FieryDove wrote...
Seifz wrote...
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4. There is no easy way to take an end-game character with DLC items and go back to obtain non-DLC items. You'd have to load an old save, track down all of the gear that you sold, and then replay the entire end of the game again. That's ridiculous.
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Yes, you CAN go back and get non-DLC items. You can go back to your camp and to Warden's Keep in the epilogue save. You will be able to at least purchase mundane Dragonbone plate, or maybe take some off of your NPCs (since they wont be coming with you).
No, it might not be ideal since you wont have the "best of the rest" items, but it is something that you can do if there is no better option so you're not naked.
And of course this makes absolutely no sense form a story perspective. DA:O is, after all, an RPG.
