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[tkaz85]

There have been a lot of posts that express the feeling that Ashley's (haven't imported a femshep yet) reaction to you on Horizon indicates that whatever relationship you had is over. Personally I see it as whatever relationship you had WAS over, but then you had be a d*#@ and come back to life. All of her old feelings for you and old wounds your death inflicted on her all come flooding back at the same time, and I feel that latching onto your relationship with Cerberus was more of a way to vent her frustration at not being in charge of her own feelings (which you can call her on and she later admits as much in her letter).

As for Liara...I think the problem is that we know who she was, and we know who she is now, but we don't know how she got from A to B. For THAT story we need to turn to a second media source, namely the as-yet-unfinished Mass Effect: Redemption comic book series. I really wish that this had actually been fully-published a month or so before ME2 was released, rather than concurrently. The first time I played ME2 Liara's abrupt transformation was as jarring to me as to anyone else, but after reading the first two comics it is starting to make more sense (let's just say that she studied Captain Falcon's Smash Bros. moves in great detail).

Anyway, my ParaShep is staying loyal to Ashley now. Tali and Jack can wait for the next playthrough

Modifié par tkaz85, 16 février 2010 - 04:48 .

[Tamahome560]

I'd lol if in ME3 the consequence of cheating on ME1 Love interest would be that ME1 Li and ME2 Li have a catfight and come to a conclusion that Shep is an as*hole and both leave him so you end up with no one in the end.

[Madecologist]

Sialater wrote...

I do have a concern that your celibate Sheps will be punished for the actions of the non-celibate ones with that Paramour Achievement. I refuse to not play half the game just to avoid that achievement for ONE character.

I wouldn't worry. Really that would shoddy programing and like everyone.. I mean everyone will laugh at them. It would make no sense. The consequences are for each individual Shepard of yours. The fact I let the council die in Shep 7/8/11 and put Udina in power with Shep 8 doesn't mean all my Sheps have to deal with that. Sp even if you have one unfaithful Shepard, your faithful ones will still be faithful for their imports.

What I think the devs meant was the unlocking of the Paramour achievement will be a clue as to how many people were unfaithful. Okay, that is silly because the person perhaps did not play Mass Effect 1 (well then he would have no ME1 achievements then) but what about people that did not romance someone in Mass Effect 1 (well they won't have that achievement from ME1 then), but what about those that did not keep a romanced character, worst, even if the person had a collection of characters. Maybe the Paramour was unlocked on a single Shepard. So again it shows no proof of infidelity (unless it tags which save did it, then it can. But it would only mean said Shepard did it).

So at best they could tell if you were unfaithful with only one of your Shepards. Except when you read the transcript it doesn't seem like that. They make it sound like you were unfaithful. They are talking like people only play the game once or only have one import. Not sure what they were getting at. Honestly, I think they should stop doing interviews *smirks*.

To clarify, the Achievement will only mean you romance a ME2 character and at worst maybe one of your Sheps were unfaithful. It would tell Bioware you romanced a ME2 LI and maybe even give them which character it was. It will not effect the data or outcome of all your saves. So a faithful Shepard will still be faithful.

[Madecologist]

Tamahome560 wrote...

I'd lol if in ME3 the consequence of cheating on ME1 Love interest would be that ME1 Li and ME2 Li have a catfight and come to a conclusion that Shep is an as*hole and both leave him so you end up with no one in the end.

Shavon beat me to it, that would be like the Resolution if this was ME:HS edition. It could still be one of the outcomes if your Shepard acts like he belongs in High School or is a total ass about it.

If Bioware handles this properly (like it should, the theme of faithfulness in a trouble relationship and "cheating" is a very mature and complex subject). The lines of morality are very blurred. It is not as simple as saying person A is a cheater and thus s/he is clearly bad. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck and there is no consequences, but it stops being a Binary situation.

To some people their Shepard's "cheating" is more like them moving on, and ditching their ME1 LI. Which is tragic, and has its own consequences. But not automatically "cheating on them". Now I am sure there will be those that will have a cheating mindset, but not everyone. Actually most that made the hop, have more of a "moving on" mentality (even if it is down a little harshly). The consequences will need to reflect those natures as well.

P.S. I find it funny my Renegade Shep is the one staying celibate and my Paragon Shep that is giving up on his ME1 LI and moving on.

Modifié par Madecologist, 16 février 2010 - 05:58 .

[Sialater]

Madecologist wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I do have a concern that your celibate Sheps will be punished for the actions of the non-celibate ones with that Paramour Achievement. I refuse to not play half the game just to avoid that achievement for ONE character.

I wouldn't worry. Really that would shoddy programing and like everyone.. I mean everyone will laugh at them. It would make no sense. The consequences are for each individual Shepard of yours. The fact I let the council die in Shep 7/8/11 and put Udina in power with Shep 8 doesn't mean all my Sheps have to deal with that. Sp even if you have one unfaithful Shepard, your faithful ones will still be faithful for their imports.

What I think the devs meant was the unlocking of the Paramour achievement will be a clue as to how many people were unfaithful. Okay, that is silly because the person perhaps did not play Mass Effect 1 (well then he would have no ME1 achievements then) but what about people that did not romance someone in Mass Effect 1 (well they won't have that achievement from ME1 then), but what about those that did not keep a romanced character, worst, even if the person had a collection of characters. Maybe the Paramour was unlocked on a single Shepard. So again it shows no proof of infidelity (unless it tags which save did it, then it can. But it would only mean said Shepard did it).

So at best they could tell if you were unfaithful with only one of your Shepards. Except when you read the transcript it doesn't seem like that. They make it sound like you were unfaithful. They are talking like people only play the game once or only have one import. Not sure what they were getting at. Honestly, I think they should stop doing interviews *smirks*.

To clarify, the Achievement will only mean you romance a ME2 character and at worst maybe one of your Sheps were unfaithful. It would tell Bioware you romanced a ME2 LI and maybe even give them which character it was. It will not effect the data or outcome of all your saves. So a faithful Shepard will still be faithful.

I'm on a 360 with one account.  If they use that achievement at all, even my Paragon Shep shouldn't bother staying celibate since she's going to get lumped with the same brush that the non-celibate Sheps did.  (I refuse to call it "faithful/cheating.") 

I understand how they did it with this transfer over, and I hope they don't suddenly get lazy and decide to only track achivements.  I forgot how many times I played ME1 (the XBOX I played most of my games on died and had to be replaced), but it was significant.  i doubt ME2 will be any different in my being addicted to it.

[Madecologist]

Sialater wrote...

I'm on a 360 with one account.  If they use that achievement at all, even my Paragon Shep shouldn't bother staying celibate since she's going to get lumped with the same brush that the non-celibate Sheps did.  (I refuse to call it "faithful/cheating.") 

I understand how they did it with this transfer over, and I hope they don't suddenly get lazy and decide to only track achivements.  I forgot how many times I played ME1 (the XBOX I played most of my games on died and had to be replaced), but it was significant.  i doubt ME2 will be any different in my being addicted to it.

Again, don't worry. They won't use the achievement to effect your save files or your future playthroughs. I think they meant they have a quick survey system via the internet to see how many people decided to romance a ME2 LI (perhaps even get if such romances were through "cheating" (god I hate that term being used here)). The achievement was about data collection only.

Actually it would not make any sense if the achievement had an effect. It will be 100% based on your save file. To use the achievement will just make it even more convoluted. Your save file determines who you romanced in both games, and all your actions compiled from two games. Which will include celibacy or not.There is no reason to change this or to use the achievement.

Having it suddenly go check an account wide achievement to determine the impact of an individual game progression will be.... a definate no no. Even if someone suggested that, the coders (programmers) would smack that person, if another designer did not beat them to it first.

[PartTimeWizard]

I'm going to keep different savegames/Shepard profiles. I must admit, I went straight for the Tali romance (Tali fan here).

I would've told Liara that she no longer was the woman my Paragon Shepard loved, but I couldn't.

I actually thought about re-playing part of ME1 in order to start ME2 with no ongoing romance, but my Liara romance started very early in my ME1 playtrough... so I ditched that idea.



However, I plan to replay part of ME2 to keep the Liara romance until the end.

[PartTimeWizard]

I just wanted to clarify, I would've loved a bit of extra attention from Liara. Maybe Bioware wanted us to feel that it was our ME1 love interest who actually ditched Shepard.

[Marcin K]

PartTimeWizard wrote...

I just wanted to clarify, I would've loved a bit of extra attention from Liara. Maybe Bioware wanted us to feel that it was our ME1 love interest who actually ditched Shepard.

nah, i think that Bioware was just busy creating new characters for ME2 and they decided to evolve interaction in ME3 instead

[meznaric]

By the way, PartTimeWizard, there is a mass effect character database on the internet (just search on google). To make Shepard look the same as in your first game just follow this:



1) you should first start a game with your own ME1 import and save it

2) start another game with the downloaded ME1 import, save it

3) use the save game editor to export the look from the first save to the second

[jlb524]

In my opinion, the Liara relationship is still on (at least in her mind...she does kiss you). She's just acting weird, that's all. Since this is Liara's first relationship, I don't think she realizes how her actions might be upsetting to Shepard and to their relationship.

I didn't cheat on Liara, though. I just used a relationship free character to try out one of the new romances.

Modifié par jlb524, 16 février 2010 - 07:23 .

[meznaric]

I think Liara deserves Shepard's loyalty considering that she was the one that made so much effort to make sure he did not die for good or be taken by the collectors upon his death (read the redemption comics). We don't actually know yet why exactly is Liara so fixated on Shadow Broker. She only says he killed her friend and nowhere do we learn that this friend was her lover or anything. I think she was faithful.

[Brijenieve]

What if Shep and ME1 LI are "on a break"?



;-)

[meznaric]

But then if you want to say you are not cheating, should your Shepard not have made this clear to Liara? (Not that Bioware implemented this option)

[Badpie]

I don't think any three of them could be called a "break up." But I also don't think any of them are "together." It's not black and white. So I guess the question is, how does your Shepard feel about this person? Do you just wake up and say "okay I'm over it" or is your Shepard like mine and still has deep feelings for that person.



Starting a new relationship with someone in ME2 should ONLY have to do with how your Shepard feels, regardless of the status of the previous relationship. Do you still love them? Then don't start a relationship with someone else. Are you over them? Then go for it.

[Madecologist]

Brijenieve wrote...

What if Shep and ME1 LI are "on a break"?

;-)

Someone already cracked that on in this thread.


It is funny, I feel sorry for 'my Liara' because my Shepard say as things being over and moved on. Nor will he ping pong either. As long as things can still continue with the ME2 LI, he will stay with her. He might eventually feel regret and feel bad about what he did to Liara. But now his mind was on surviving the Suicide mission, which Liara did not seem preoccupied about., which probably hurt him the most.

Modifié par Madecologist, 16 février 2010 - 07:56 .

[zombification 7]

truth be told, i'm only worried about how my "cheating" will affect my ME2 romance



as far as i'm concerned, my romance with liara is over, but since there are consequences for starting a new romance, how will that affect my current romance? can i choose which one to keep going with? or will miranda AND liara leave me?

[Newtype Taichou]

Although I believe that Liara and Shepard have enough going on between them to warrant consequences for having another LI, since their relationship is a bit complicated. I feel that more should have happened between them in the game, to give clear indication of where they are at with each other. That way, using the term "cheating" would be more justified. Like I wish she sent you an encrypted message telling you to meet somewhere, and discuss their relationship. I kept going back to her to talk, but nothing!


For example, in ME2, as femshep you can explicitly break up with Thane. I wish you were able to explicitly discuss your relationship with your ME1 LI's. 

Modifié par Newtype Taichou, 16 février 2010 - 10:57 .

[Badpie]

zombification 7 wrote...

truth be told, i'm only worried about how my "cheating" will affect my ME2 romance

as far as i'm concerned, my romance with liara is over, but since there are consequences for starting a new romance, how will that affect my current romance? can i choose which one to keep going with? or will miranda AND liara leave me?

I would hope they'd give you a mature adult option of handling this in ME3.  Even something like the confrontation scene in ME1 between your two love interests.   Everyone was grown ups.  Just laid it on the table and made Shepard choose.

[PartTimeWizard]

Thanks for the info, meznaric I think I'll go through the game again by myself though, might still find something I missed.

I really felt sorry about Liara, since you can't really even talk to her about the relationship, and she did so much in order to recover Shepard's corpse. She would've done that even if Shepard had been just a friend, but still... she cares a lot about Shepard.



I hope the e-mail system gets improved in ME3, or even in a DLC pack. I'd love being able to answer e-mails from Hackett, Anderson, Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara, of course, selecting segments of Shepard's answer e-mail from paragon, neutral and renegade choices, as with regular conversation. No voiceover or animation work required from Bioware, just the usual quality writing.

I like the Cerberus Daily News, some daily mail from miscellaneous NPCs would also be great... maybe I should start a thread about this, would be swallowed quickly enough though.

[Aedan_Cousland]

meznaric wrote...

I think Liara deserves Shepard's loyalty considering that she was the one that made so much effort to make sure he did not die for good or be taken by the collectors upon his death (read the redemption comics). We don't actually know yet why exactly is Liara so fixated on Shadow Broker. She only says he killed her friend and nowhere do we learn that this friend was her lover or anything. I think she was faithful.

What will be interesting to see is how some people will react if it is revealed that Liara and Feron did become lovers. In fact, I hope that is the route they go. I wonder how many people who romanced Liara in ME1 would think she 'cheated,' even though Shepard was dead.

Personally I wouldn't consider it infidelity, just as I don't consider Shep romancing someone else in ME2 cheating. Shepard was dead and the original LIs don't express any interest in picking up where you left off when Shep gets revived. If Shep had been married to his original LI, I'd probably describe their status as 'seperated' in ME2.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 17 février 2010 - 03:20 .

[Nozybidaj]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

What will be interesting to see is how some people will react if it is revealed that Liara and Feron did become lovers. In fact, I hope that is the route they go. I wonder how many people who romanced Liara in ME1 would think she 'cheated,' even though Shepard was dead.

Personally I wouldn't consider it infidelity, just as I don't consider Shep romancing someone else in ME2 cheating. Shepard was dead and the original LIs don't express any interest in picking up where you left off when Shep gets revived. If Shep had been married to his original LI, I'd probably describe their status as 'seperated' in ME2.

I wouldn't consider it cheating, just horrible writing.  Remember she just met Feron a couple of weeks after Shepard died and has only known him for a few days.  Even if they are trying to "grimdark" Liara, she isn't a they type to just jump on every guy she meets like Jack.

I actually think that would send a lot of Liara fans, myself included, into a rage to rival the Tali fans.  So no, I hope they do not go that route.