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[Madecologist]

JPfanner wrote...

I suppose a better way to say it would be that all of the imported relationships are handled so poorly and so shallowly with no chance for interaction and dialog that any perceptions of "cheating" and "fidelity" are left ENTIRELY to the imagination of the player.  Really, I feel that you have to put more effort into delusional self-denial to maintain the relationships based on the current content.  And I'm certainly guilty of that so I'm not trying to throw stones at anyone.

So I feel that the way they were handled with no chance at interaction, that penalizing people for playing the game they COULD play is just absurd.  On the other hand, I can't help but be a bit selfish and feel that in ME 3 players who were stubborn enough to hang in there should get something back, something that they most certainly did not get at all in ME 2.

I fully agree here, those who chose to "fill in the blanks" (can't think of a better way of saying it, I mean that as postively as possible), should get their payout. If the ME1 LI are suppose to have some awesome arc to them, then you should get it. I fully agree.

Also, yes, those of us that chose to react directly to what the game gave us should not get hit with a giant stick either. Their own presentation of the material is just as responsible as we are. So I agree with what you said there too, we should not be penalised for it (considering how it was presented to us). As I mentioned a few times, it seems that from the interview transcripts I read from the writers, they are little hung up on cheating and consequences. They do admit that expect a lot of people to jump to a ME2 LI. But their overuse of the word cheat sort of grinds a gear for me.

I guess what I am saying is -they- should also live up to the consequences of their actions too.

[Nozybidaj]

lyssalu wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

 as far as i'm concerned, ashley/kaidan walking away on horizon is breaking up

liara, you never break up with, so she seems like the only one you actually cheat on

What about Liara's scene gives any indication that there is an ongoing romance to even be able to cheat on her?

um THE KISS

also everything that happens in the comic

An ackward, half hearted kiss that she pulls away from and shakes her head in regret for doing constitutes an on going romance?

And what she does in the comic and every piece of dialogue she has in ME2 is exactly the same regardless of whether or not Shepard romanced her in ME1.  

Liara has clearly ended any previous relationship, taking a new LI in ME2 is in no way, shape, or form "cheating".

[porky88]

I think there is clearly going to be some sort of scene or something triggered by your actions in ME2 with your love interest. To not do anything at all would be a disservice to the game itself in my view. Close to every action you take should matter. I don't think it'll be a blow up or something. ME isn't exactly a teen drama. My guess is if you stayed loyal, you'll be rewarded in some unique way. If you went a different direction, something entirely different will happen. Each LI is a different person (obviously). Maybe you'll get a different outcome with each one based on who you choose in the third game and whether or not you were loyal all the way through.

Modifié par porky88, 15 février 2010 - 09:59 .

[Nozybidaj]

porky88 wrote...

I think there is clearly going to be some sort of scene or something triggered by your actions in ME2 with your love interest. To not do anything at all would be a disservice to the game itself in my view. Close to every action you take should matter. 

Shouldn't the actions of the NPC's have consequence as well? 

After their portrayal in ME2 what reason would Shepard have to go and look for these people in ME3?  I find it rather unbelievable that after the suicide mission that Shepard would have any desire or reason to go try and recruit these people that turned their backs on him for his team.

[Sialater]

Exactly, I don't see how it's cheating. They publically dumped you or ignored your previous relationship. YOU WERE DEAD. I'd say it was over when you fell out of the airlock. Your LI's actions (even Liara's semi-obsession) on Horizon and Illium just underscore that.



If they loved you, truly loved you, why wouldn't your reunion be more than a hug? Wouldn't they sound happier to see you? (At least you Liara people got a kiss, all Alenko gave my femShep was a hug.)

[lyssalu]

Nozybidaj wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

 as far as i'm concerned, ashley/kaidan walking away on horizon is breaking up

liara, you never break up with, so she seems like the only one you actually cheat on

What about Liara's scene gives any indication that there is an ongoing romance to even be able to cheat on her?

um THE KISS

also everything that happens in the comic

An ackward, half hearted kiss that she pulls away from and shakes her head in regret for doing constitutes an on going romance?

And what she does in the comic and every piece of dialogue she has in ME2 is exactly the same regardless of whether or not Shepard romanced her in ME1.  

Liara has clearly ended any previous relationship, taking a new LI in ME2 is in no way, shape, or form "cheating".

lmao ok whatever helps you sleep at night

liara does more to find shepard than anyone else does and is entirely responsible for why you were able to be brought back to life in the first place, and while i understand that she does it for sheps who were uninvolved with her as well, she still likely had intense feelings for them.  she came on pretty strong in ME1, i doubt turning her down changes that.

the awkward kiss she only has with her LI, she turns and shakes her head with regret because she realizes shepard is going to have to move on to his/her suicide mission and that the only reason he/she is there is to get information and leave.  she can't join shepard because she's doing something that's really important and likely her actions will play a huge part in the plot of ME3; i'm expecting a massive reveal on the shadow broker, which is probably going to be because what she's doing.  

um she's probably not expecting shepard to forget about her and move on just because she's got something she needs to finish lmao

[Sialater]

Uh, why shouldn't she expect that? She knows Shep, after all.

[lyssalu]

Sialater wrote...

Uh, why shouldn't she expect that? She knows Shep, after all.

that depends entirely on how you play your shepard.  there are some people in this thread, for instance, who didn't cheat on their ME1 LIs.  

Modifié par lyssalu, 15 février 2010 - 10:09 .

[lyssalu]

Sialater wrote...

Uh, why shouldn't she expect that? She knows Shep, after all.

that depends entirely on how you play your shepard.  there are some people in this thread, for instance, who didn't cheat on their ME1 LIs.  

[Maj.Pain007]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I doubt anything will crop up at all. BioWare handled the LI carry-over very, very poorly.

There's absolutely no room for BioWare to turn around and accuse people "cheating" when
1) players aren't given a choice to break up with them
2) the romance isn't even brought up at all (with Liara, who doesn't even send an email...)
3) they all talk about the relationship in the past tense (except Liara, who doesn't talk about it at all)

So, to summarize, don't worry. BioWare has no room to create "cheating" drama in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense.

Sadly this.

[Sialater]

lyssalu wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Uh, why shouldn't she expect that? She knows Shep, after all.

that depends entirely on how you play your shepard.  there are some people in this thread, for instance, who didn't cheat on their ME1 LIs.  

I just want to know why anyone could consider it "cheating."

[lyssalu]

Sialater wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Uh, why shouldn't she expect that? She knows Shep, after all.

that depends entirely on how you play your shepard.  there are some people in this thread, for instance, who didn't cheat on their ME1 LIs.  

I just want to know why anyone could consider it "cheating."

because with liara, there is no discussion of ending the relationship.  thus, if you start up a new relationship, you're cheating.

with ashley and kaidan, they walk off saying they don't know who you are and say that they "loved" you, meaning they don't feel the same way anymore, and then send you an email saying MAYBE you can try and reconcile.

[Neccrid]

When I loaded up my Ashley LI Shepard I was intending to stay loyal to her, but once she started giving me crap for being with cerberus I went to Jack.. just like I do with all my characters.

It's funny once you think about it.  What bias does Ashely have to not trust cerberus in comparison to Jack???  Jack was raised in a cerberus facility that tortured and drugged her yet Jack still trusts your judgement.  Jack is by far the better woman.  When it comes down to it in ME3 I for sure will be staying with Jack.

Modifié par Neccrid, 15 février 2010 - 10:19 .

[porky88]

Nozybidaj wrote...

porky88 wrote...

I think there is clearly going to be some sort of scene or something triggered by your actions in ME2 with your love interest. To not do anything at all would be a disservice to the game itself in my view. Close to every action you take should matter. 

Shouldn't the actions of the NPC's have consequence as well? 

After their portrayal in ME2 what reason would Shepard have to go and look for these people in ME3?  I find it rather unbelievable that after the suicide mission that Shepard would have any desire or reason to go try and recruit these people that turned their backs on him for his team.

It is Commander Shepard's story though and not the other characters. In the end, his actions are what should matter because you play as him. I hope they give us many options for the third game. I think they will. My guess is ME3 will give you a mix of some old squad members and some new ones. A little like two. Maybe more oldies though in the next one. Maybe you'll get to recruit one or the other. Miranda or Ashley. Can't be both if they both survived your game. Who knows?

I had my Shep stay loyal though and I hope I'll get something different than those who didn't. Doesn't mean if you "cheated", you'll get something negative. Just something different which is cool when you and I are playing two different games. Also, I would assume some characters won't like the fact that you either kept the Reaper tech or blew it up at the end. That could have an effect too on how some characters perceive you in the next game.

[fortunesque]

I think it's more of "moving on". Keeping in mind, though, that there are strings attached to moving on.

Though it's been two years, all of the LIs still feel something for Shepard:
Ash/Kaidan sent emails apologizing and hoping that eventually they can pick things back up
Liara tells Shepard that she couldn't let Shepard go here
I'll admit that to find these things out, you have to puzzle them over quite a bit or the dialogue is buried by a one-chance selection. To top it off, they don't allow Shepard to discuss the relationship or respond to the emails. It's frustrating to no end.

I could see the original LI saying, "It's felt like three weeks since you've seen me last and you moved on that quickly? You didn't even want to bother to straighten things out when you were done with your mission?"

Then where does that leave the new LI? Are they going to worry that you'll leave them just as quickly?

Just a few thoughts I'm throwing out there...

Edit: forgot to close my link up

Modifié par fortunesque, 15 février 2010 - 10:24 .

[Sialater]

Well, I have more than one Shep. One will stay celibate, the rest will not.



I refuse to call it "faithful."



And I disagree with Liara. Everything you listed is metagaming. You, the player, have no information in game that she did all that. As far as you know, she's over you.

[JPfanner]

Well the ME 1 romance could easily be handled like Kelly's dinner is in ME 2. If you invite Kelly up for dinner and then later on invite her up to dance and snuggle then the dinner is retroactively considered to be an intimate one. If you have dinner with her and then don't utilize the full range of her "services" then the dinner was just a friendly one between coworkers/friends.



If you had a relationship in ME 1 and then pursue one in ME 2 then the ME 1 relationship was casual/both moved on/etc. If you didn't pursue a relationship with someone else in ME 2, then the ME 1 relationship wasn't casual and there was still something there. Really something like that would eliminate the whole cheating concept while maintaining the fidelity one. And it would put the decision for that where it belongs, in the player's hand. You know, because this is Shepard's story and all that.

[lyssalu]

Sialater wrote...

Well, I have more than one Shep. One will stay celibate, the rest will not.

I refuse to call it "faithful."

And I disagree with Liara. Everything you listed is metagaming. You, the player, have no information in game that she did all that. As far as you know, she's over you.

no, lmao, she tells you

i guess it's up to the player as to whether or not they want to ignore it

[Sialater]

I'm going off the feeling that the ME1 relationship WAS important, you're broken-hearted and on a suicide mission. Someone picks up the pieces.

[pingupower]

My Shep stayed celibate.

i do not really like Ash, she is annoying.

And I can't stand Liara.



Miranda is by far more attractive.

[WilliamShatner]

Well they made it easy not to cheat by not giving my female Shepard any options.



I live in hope. Liara being the victim of bad writing is not going to get in the way of a love that should have spanned a trilogy and the galaxy.

[Sialater]

lyssalu wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, I have more than one Shep. One will stay celibate, the rest will not.

I refuse to call it "faithful."

And I disagree with Liara. Everything you listed is metagaming. You, the player, have no information in game that she did all that. As far as you know, she's over you.

no, lmao, she tells you

i guess it's up to the player as to whether or not they want to ignore it

She didn't tell me, but then, I didn't romance her.

[Barquiel]

LI Liara and non-LI Liara have the same dialogue. She always tells you (if you pick the "right" dialogue option)

[lyssalu]

Sialater wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, I have more than one Shep. One will stay celibate, the rest will not.

I refuse to call it "faithful."

And I disagree with Liara. Everything you listed is metagaming. You, the player, have no information in game that she did all that. As far as you know, she's over you.

no, lmao, she tells you

i guess it's up to the player as to whether or not they want to ignore it

She didn't tell me, but then, I didn't romance her.

yeah, i meant if you romance her and do the mission she gives you.  she tells you she couldn't let you go and that she's seeking revenge against the shadow broker for what they did/tried to do to you.  i'd say she's pretty not over shepard if you romanced her, as evidenced by the kiss.  

[screwoffreg]

Funnily enough one of the devs mentioned that even if you do not technically cheat, your save file registers that you had Kelly up to your room. It probably won't be a huge deal, and they even admitted it might not even be acknowledged, but they are tracking it.