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[Rcclassiks]

 In the dalish origins there is a elf who is a mage so why can't a mage elv be a Dalish elv? You don't see any elvs in the circle of magi? WTF?!

[Maria Caliban]

1. It would take another origin, and they didn't have the zots for it.

2. Because the dalish don't practice the same magic as the circle of magi. Hence the trees coming alive in Awakening. They didn't have time/resources to create, impliment, and test another group of spells.

[Stormghost]

If you can wait til Awakening, Velanna is a playable Dalish elf mage.

[Eudaemonium]

From the in-game contexts, it seems that Dalish mages tend to be Keepers or Firsts (Aneirin is a city elf runaway). If so, the clan would probably consider you too important to just be galavanting around in the woods with your hunter buddy. It does suck though.

[shreddog]

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[melkathi]

Rcclassiks wrote...

 In the dalish origins there is a elf who is a mage so why can't a mage elv be a Dalish elv? You don't see any elvs in the circle of magi? WTF?!

Actually in the mage origin there is an elven mage. Of course he is a city elf. Dalish elves do not fall under the watchful eye of the chantry. The templars would have to go to war to drag dalish mages to the circle.

[David Gaider]

Part of the issue is that the origin needs to teach the player what it means to be a mage. In this setting, that comes with some very specific things the player needs to learn. The Dalish Elf origin, however, only teaches you what it means to be an elf.



Once you've already played through the game and are on your nth playthrough, you may think that such a role for the origin stories is unimportant -- and sure, at that point you don't need them for that. But we didn't create them for replay value. We created them to introduce a setting which nobody knew about when they started.

[_Aine_]

I always liked to believe the Dalish were so community-oriented that they hide away within their own communities those showing talent for magic, to avoid having them taken to the circle. The probably feel the humans have taken enough from them, let alone taking their children as well.

[SuperMedbh]

I'm curious-- are the Dalish mages usually keepers or apprentices to same?

[Curlain]

Well most Dalish don't interact with humanity that much (apart from some trading with humans) and they don't acknowledge human authority over them in any case, so I don't see them needed to hide their children with magical talent. It's not like they'd let the Templars or Chantry just take them, they would fight any small human force that tried to take them, and simply move further into wild areas from a force to large to fight.

Modifié par Curlain, 16 février 2010 - 12:25 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

David Gaider wrote...

 The Dalish Elf origin, however, only teaches you what it means to be an elf.

You need an origin to learn how to nibble on trees and prance around in tights while whining about being oppressed?

I jest, I jest!   I actually think your explanation is very accurate and succinct, almost like you are some sort of writer.

[melkathi]

shantisands wrote...

I always liked to believe the Dalish were so community-oriented that they hide away within their own communities those showing talent for magic, to avoid having them taken to the circle. The probably feel the humans have taken enough from them, let alone taking their children as well.

Even if they were scared of them though, which there is ample of proof against being the fact in the game, they would not hand them over to the circle. Circles are a Chantry institution and the dalish are not subject to Chantry law - they are their own nation with their own religion. If they felt the need to do something about their mages, they would have their own way, just as the qunari have theirs.
As it is, most dalish tribes will shoot shemlen on sight. It would be rather odd for them to then come out of the woods and stop a human traveler to ask directions to the nearest chantry so they can hand over their mages

[_Aine_]

melkathi wrote...

shantisands wrote...

I always liked to believe the Dalish were so community-oriented that they hide away within their own communities those showing talent for magic, to avoid having them taken to the circle. The probably feel the humans have taken enough from them, let alone taking their children as well.

Even if they were scared of them though, which there is ample of proof against being the fact in the game, they would not hand them over to the circle. Circles are a Chantry institution and the dalish are not subject to Chantry law - they are their own nation with their own religion. If they felt the need to do something about their mages, they would have their own way, just as the qunari have theirs.
As it is, most dalish tribes will shoot shemlen on sight. It would be rather odd for them to then come out of the woods and stop a human traveler to ask directions to the nearest chantry so they can hand over their mages

Then we agree, that is exactly what i was saying  lol 

[Aldridgeguy]

All very valid and interesting points, but would a Dalish mage, who was bound to their village and practicing thier art as a second or as keeper outside of the circle, be considered apostate and hunted by the chantry ? I haven't read the books so I don't know if theres anything about this in the lore ?

[soteria]

...but I thought we were told in-game (or maybe before release) that the Dalish *do* send some to the Circle, to avoid closer scrutiny from the Chantry? I'm not sure where I'm getting that from, but I thought I read it in a codex or something.

Modifié par soteria, 16 février 2010 - 12:42 .

[melkathi]

Aldridgeguy wrote...

All very valid and interesting points, but would a Dalish mage, who was bound to their village and practicing thier art as a second or as keeper outside of the circle, be considered apostate and hunted by the chantry ? I haven't read the books so I don't know if theres anything about this in the lore ?

The chantry sees any and all unsupervised magic as dangerous and any mage who isn't part of the circle is an apostate at best. Though to to enforce chantry law on any non andrastean nation, they would have to go to war.

[Aldridgeguy]

melkathi wrote...

The chantry sees any and all unsupervised magic as dangerous and any mage who isn't part of the circle is an apostate at best. Though to to enforce chantry law on any non andrastean nation, they would have to go to war.

Didn't stop them last time lol

[Wrath of Doom]

Aldridgeguy wrote...

All very valid and interesting points, but would a Dalish mage, who was bound to their village and practicing thier art as a second or as keeper outside of the circle, be considered apostate and hunted by the chantry ? I haven't read the books so I don't know if theres anything about this in the lore ?

Good Lord your toon is ugly as ****.

[Super_Cat]

I think it would be pretty hard for Templars to keep track of the nomadic Dalish clans, so they probably don't actively hunt Dalish mages, since they are usually with their clan and the mage hunting groups are not large enough to take on a whole clan. Heck that group in the comic couldn't even take on Flemmeth and Morrigan (though that's understandable).



If a Dalish mage was alone and encountered some Templars, the Templars probably would not hesitate to kill him/her however.

[grieferbastard]

Dalish are named after the Dales - which was the last free country of the Elves, where they practiced their religion and magic outside of the laws of the Chantry....

Until the Chantry called an Exalted March and more or less killed them all.

Elven mages outside the Circle would need to hide and could not just be bounding around the countryside magicing. (I just made that word up, I know, but it's a good word.)  An elven mage practicing magic outside the Circle would be a whole adventure on their own in dealing with Templars and the efforts of the Chantry to prove that they are the dominate Truth in the world. It would be akin to trying to be a practicing Muslim and a european noble at court in 12th century europe. It would last right up until someone noticed you were, say, not going to church, tithing and praying to Mecca five times a day. Then you would lose title, be stripped of your belongings, likely tortured until you converted and then killed. The only question people would have would be 'why was he so stupid as to be a practicing Muslim in 12th century Europe?' They would not be asking if it was fair or right that it happened to you.

[Aldridgeguy]

Wrath of Doom wrote...

Good Lord your toon is ugly as ****.

Flatterer, I'll bet you say that to all the ladies

grieferbastard wrote...

Elven mages outside the Circle would need to hide and could not just be bounding around the countryside magicing. (I just made that word up, I know, but it's a good word.)  

I like it !! you should add it to Wikki

Modifié par Aldridgeguy, 16 février 2010 - 02:22 .

[spirit-dog]

If you look carefully at the solider corpses in the Breceillian forest, you'll see that a fair few of them are actually templar bodies. I get a feeling that any templar that looks like a templar is pretty much killed on sight if they get anywhere near a Dalish clan.

[flagondotcom]

For users on PC, the Adopted mod is an even simpler way to force things like "Play Dalish origin with a mage". That's what I used for PC pictured to the left, and it worked out quite nicely. As noted in the "Dalish Mage Origin" mod, though, the dialogue during Broken Circle is a little b0rked since the checks assume "playerclass=mage" is equivalent to "origin=circleMage".

[FaerieSophie]

Elven mages outside the Circle would need to hide and could not just be bounding around the countryside magicing. (I just made that word up, I know, but it's a good word.)

Mm.. no, just no. According to the wiki, dalish mages are outside of chantry jurisdiction.