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[Maria Caliban]

Super_Cat wrote...

I think it would be pretty hard for Templars to keep track of the nomadic Dalish clans, so they probably don't actively hunt Dalish mages, since they are usually with their clan and the mage hunting groups are not large enough to take on a whole clan. Heck that group in the comic couldn't even take on Flemmeth and Morrigan (though that's understandable).

If a Dalish mage was alone and encountered some Templars, the Templars probably would not hesitate to kill him/her however.

The Templars hunt the Dalish because they know they have apostates, which is why the Dalish are nomadic. If they settled in a single region, eventually an army would be sent against them.

The Chantry is the most powerful organization in Thedas and the Templars are its iron fist. Your suggestion is akin to saying that a caravan of gypsies could take on a group of armored knights. Even if they did manage to fight them off, there would be a large loss of life (which the Dalish can't afford) and *many* more Templars who'd mobilize against them.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 février 2010 - 08:03 .

[Largo Usagi]

though there where dalish who where mages, and yet you saw none of the dalish in the tower, i think being stuck in the tower is a **** way to start as a mage, every powerful organization has things slip through their cracks, why not a nomadic people.

[FaerieSophie]

Largo Usagi wrote...

...and yet you saw none of the dalish in the tower

Those weren't dalish, but city elves.

[RedEyesOfWarning]

A plausible roleplay reason would be that people who become mages give up their heritage when they join the Circle so a city elf, dalish elf, human commoner or human noble would all be the starting from the same point. Another plausible reason would be because of the history the Dalish and the Templar have, you can't imagine the proud, independant Dalish being happy to send their people away to surround themselves with humans and come back pretty much the same as a city elf.

[Mikey_205]

You all suffer from wrong thinking. The Dalish mages are keepers. The Dalish would never send their mages to the Circle. I'd imagine that Dalish magic has the same risks associated with demons and its own preventative measures but that is something that Origins doesnt deal with. I think the Dalish mages are probably better than Circle mages on average.



I really hope our Dalish mage in Awakening opens up this side of the lore.

[Wotannanow]

Rcclassiks wrote...
 You don't see any elvs in the circle of magi? WTF?!

There are elves in the Circle. You need to pay more attention when you look around.

[pinzig]

the elf mage circle thing bugged me, through dialogue you can declare you came from lothering, denerim, etc, but it has little effect later. I.E. although say, if you mention you are from the alienage in denerim when asked in the circle, and leliana asks you about it a bit, when you go to the denerim alienage nobody knows you/there is nothing there to connect with.....(unless you came from that creepy haunted orphanage?) why not just make dalish face tatoos available to elf mages in CC and have dialogue indicating that they got picked up and stashed in the circle?.. while opening up other unique dialogue and links since they were dalish as children?....



just my two cents

[The Velveteen Rabbit]

FaerieSophie wrote...

Elven mages outside the Circle would need to hide and could not just be bounding around the countryside magicing. (I just made that word up, I know, but it's a good word.)

Mm.. no, just no. According to the wiki, dalish mages are outside of chantry jurisdiction.

That has never stopped the Chantry before.

[ObserverStatus]

They wouldn't need a new origin. Dalish mages live amongst the others, so they could just use the standard Dalish origin.

[Gecon]

Eudaemonium wrote...

From the in-game contexts, it seems that Dalish mages tend to be Keepers or Firsts (Aneirin is a city elf runaway). If so, the clan would probably consider you too important to just be galavanting around in the woods with your hunter buddy. It does suck though.

You dont have a choice in the Dalish Origin. Besides, even if you had a choice, the game could simply ignore it, as its required for the story.

[k9medusa]

What happens if a clan 5 or so mage enable elves? not all them can be keepers or 1st One can be a 2nd also, right?

[k9medusa]

Question: Are elves more likely to bore more magi children then humans?

[Gecon]

I guess so. Elves can be horribly boring with their always same stories about how evil humans destroyed their nations.

[spottyblanket]

Dalish elves would never (or rarely) sign up the circle of magi, that is why Velenna isn't a circle elf. Dalish grey wardens are rare too...

[spottyblanket]

Rather than Dalish mage, there should be an aposate mage origin story.

[k9medusa]

scyphozoa wrote...

spottyblanket wrote...

Rather than Dalish mage, there should be an aposate mage origin story.

yeah, that is also a very cool idea. a bit broader. in general, I didn't like mages restricted to the circle origin, mainly because mage is my favorite archetype to play and I have played that origin too many times to count. 

I have the same problem -- right now, I am working playing all the stories, but when it is done, I will be in the same boat as you since I be playing a magi a lot and my second favorite class is an archer.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

This all blends quite well into the only missing class specialization...the Rogue/Mage!!! We have warrior/mages and rogue/warriors. We need the glass cannon missing piece to the puzzle.



A life of hiding from the Chantry would pretty much force anyone to either bend magic towards stealth and illusion or be to evasive. Come on Bioware...next expansion pack, Rogue/Mages for us please?

[spottyblanket]

Though I do love the circle origin story. I convinced my sister to play dragonage because I told her the circle was like Hogwarts *snort* she now admits dragonage is her fav game ever.

[JayTheWolf]

pinzig wrote...

the elf mage circle thing bugged me, through dialogue you can declare you came from lothering, denerim, etc, but it has little effect later. I.E. although say, if you mention you are from the alienage in denerim when asked in the circle, and leliana asks you about it a bit, when you go to the denerim alienage nobody knows you/there is nothing there to connect with.....(unless you came from that creepy haunted orphanage?) why not just make dalish face tatoos available to elf mages in CC and have dialogue indicating that they got picked up and stashed in the circle?.. while opening up other unique dialogue and links since they were dalish as children?....

just my two cents

I agree completely. If you are in the Circle of Magi, you should be allowed to pick HOW you got there instead of, "Oh, I was a mage and now I'm here." I, for one, love the idea of being a Dalish mage. I hope in DA2 they make this an option for Hawke. 


And I've tried the Adopted Mod. I don't very much care for it. As a Dalish mage, key plot points didn't trigger, i.e. Tamlen didn't recognize the cave and I couldn't continue as he would only say, "Come on, already. Let's look for this cave. They said it was to the west." 
Still have yet to try the Dalish Elf Mage - Origin mod. Going to do that now. 

[Elhanan]

I had one mage as a Dalish. If others are too ignorant to understand the meaning behind my tats, that is there problem. Sure I was living in an Alienage, but that does not mean that I was not reared as Dalish.

Just a pinch of imagination goes a long way to stop the need to complain for new code....

[the_one_54321]

Um... I don't think that the Dalish allow their mages to be taken by the circle. They even provide you with a certain book of skills that will not be named here. The Dalish do not cooperate with shemen laws and traditions.

[Elhanan]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Um... I don't think that the Dalish allow their mages to be taken by the circle. They even provide you with a certain book of skills that will not be named here. The Dalish do not cooperate with shemen laws and traditions.

Perhaps the Dalish were not around when I became seperated, and was then placed into the Alienage Orphanage. Sure the Flat-ears gave me a hard time about the facial tats at first, until the shopkeeper told everyone and the kids how great the Dalish were. But eventually my ability with magic became known. even in the middle of that place, and I was taken to the Circle by the friendlier local Chantry.